Hi end vinyl system
 

Neil Jones wrote:
Jim Lesurf wrote:

In article , ruffrecords
wrote:



Already am. Having a disagreement with a guy on another group who
reckons hi end vinyl sounds way better - I mean obviously better than
CD. He suggested I should visit a hi-end hi-fi shop and listen to 5
to 10 grands worth of vinyl kit to hear waht I have been missing, so
that's waht I intend to do.

If he knows this, he presumably knows what system he heard, and where
he heard it. So I'd say it was up to him to say where you can listen
to this system he rates so highly. OTOH If his opinion is just a
generalisation, and he can't give you an example you can actually
listen to, then judge his opinion on that basis. :-)


Before you even get to this point you probably need to narrow down
exactly what he means by 'better'.

Neil



I don't want to repeat the entire argument but this guy lives in Miami
and claims to have a $73,000 turtable and similarly expensive other
components. Despite that, he argues that any vinyl based system in
the $5K to $10K range will 'blow away' any CD system of any kind and
that the differences will be so noticeable as to be obvious.

As to 'better' as you might expect this has been debated at length.
In summary it comes down to instruments sounding more like the real
thing, and of course he claims extensive and regular exposure to what
the real thing sounds like.

He further claims that tremendous technological advances have been
made in vinyl reproduction technology in the last 30 years so mit now
sounds better than any of us old lags would have remembered hearing
back in its heyday in the 70's.

Oh, and by the way, you can only achieve this incredible level of
quality by playing one of a few direct to disk records still in
circulation and of which any really decent hi-fi shop will have a few.

Ian

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JustMe wrote:
"ruffrecords" wrote in message
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Don Pearce wrote:

On Thu, 09 Sep 2004 20:28:24 +0100, ruffrecords
wrote:



Where can I( go to in Norfolk to hear a realy high end vinyl set up. I
am taking five to ten grands worth?

Ian


Taking five to ten grands worth of what? How do you know these Norfolk
chaps will barter?

OOh no, in Nar**** we barters first and pays cash second. I got a foo
tun of good manoor to trade.

Wouldn't it be better to take the cash or a cheque?

And I've heard rumours that you can hear really high-end vinyl in
Suffolk. You can hear every crackle, scratch and dust speck like you
were actually there in the crackle, scratch and dust speck factory.
Feel like living dangerously?

Already am. Having a disagreement with a guy on another group who
reckons hi end vinyl sounds way better - I mean obviously better than
CD. He suggested I should visit a hi-end hi-fi shop and listen to 5
to 10 grands worth of vinyl kit to hear waht I have been missing, so
that's waht I intend to do.

Ian


Is it your intention to purchase the setup if you like it?



I don't know. One problem is that apparently you need really good
vinyl, preferably direct to disk stuff. This is both rare and
unlikely to come anywhere near covering the breadth of my musical
tastes. That said I have an open mind, and a big enough cheque book,
so if it really is that good I might just well buy one.

Ian

Hi end vinyl system
 

Jim Lesurf wrote:
In article , ruffrecords
wrote:



Already am. Having a disagreement with a guy on another group who
reckons hi end vinyl sounds way better - I mean obviously better than
CD. He suggested I should visit a hi-end hi-fi shop and listen to 5 to
10 grands worth of vinyl kit to hear waht I have been missing, so
that's waht I intend to do.


If he knows this, he presumably knows what system he heard, and where he
heard it. So I'd say it was up to him to say where you can listen to this
system he rates so highly. OTOH If his opinion is just a generalisation,
and he can't give you an example you can actually listen to, then judge his
opinion on that basis. :-)

Unfortunately he lives in Miami and refuses to let me visit him to
hear his sytem.


I'm also a bit puzzled by the idea that what is needed is 5-10 grand of
'vinyl kit'. Does this include the power amps and speakers and listening
room being specifically 'vinyl kit', or is he just talking about the
cartridge, arm, deck, and RIAA preamp?

I think he means system from cartridge to speakers but probably
excluding room treatment. I asked him how his room was treated but he
refused to answer.


Must admit I am also somewhat doubtful of recommending kit (apparently)
solely on the basis that it costs a lot of money...

He has no doubt about it at all. As I mentioned eleswhere he says he
has a $73,000 turntable and the rest of his sytem is of similar cost
and he reckons you can definitely hear how much better his sytem is
than a 5 to 10K one.

Ian

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Stewart Pinkerton wrote:
snip


For the OP's information, it's on my page at
http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/
and he's welcome to drop in any time for a listen, in much better
surroundings than he'll find in a hi-fi shop!

If you are not too far away I just moght take you up on that. I am in
North Norfolk near Cromer. Whereabouts are you?

Ian

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Unfortunately he lives in Miami and refuses to let me visit him to
hear his sytem.

I think he means system from cartridge to speakers but probably excluding
room treatment. I asked him how his room was treated but he refused to
answer.

Sounds like a typical audiophile tosspot.

Bet he's got expensive cable, and his room is messed up (bare wood floors,
lots of glass, echoey etc)

Hi end vinyl system
 

Arny Krueger wrote:
"ruffrecords" wrote in message



Already am. Having a disagreement with a guy on another group who
reckons hi end vinyl sounds way better - I mean obviously better than
CD.


This is a well-known scam. You're supposed to believe him and pay 1,000's
and 1,000's on a fruitless search for the holy grail of a vinyl playback
system that actually sounds better than the audio section of a good $50US
DVD player.

Hopefully I am a tad smater than that - hence my desire to listen to a
system localy.


He suggested I should visit a hi-end hi-fi shop and listen to 5
to 10 grands worth of vinyl kit to hear what I have been missing, so
that's what I intend to do.


Only if your time is not worth very much to you...


Well, I am retired, I do have an open mind and it is a long time since
I heard a so called high end system.

Ian

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"ruffrecords" wrote in message
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Unfortunately he lives in Miami and refuses to let me visit him to hear
his sytem.

As I mentioned eleswhere he says he
has a $73,000 turntable and the rest of his sytem is of similar cost and
he reckons you can definitely hear how much better his sytem is than a 5
to 10K one.

Sounds to me like someone is having his plonker pulled by an aspiring Grand
Master.

D.

Hi end vinyl system
 

Nath wrote:
Unfortunately he lives in Miami and refuses to let me visit him to
hear his sytem.


I think he means system from cartridge to speakers but probably excluding
room treatment. I asked him how his room was treated but he refused to
answer.


Sounds like a typical audiophile tosspot.

Bet he's got expensive cable, and his room is messed up (bare wood floors,
lots of glass, echoey etc)



I aksed him to post a picture but he refused that too.

ian

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Dersu wrote:
"ruffrecords" wrote in message
...

Unfortunately he lives in Miami and refuses to let me visit him to hear
his sytem.


As I mentioned eleswhere he says he

has a $73,000 turntable and the rest of his sytem is of similar cost and
he reckons you can definitely hear how much better his sytem is than a 5
to 10K one.


Sounds to me like someone is having his plonker pulled by an aspiring Grand
Master.

D.

Not just me but an entire yahoo group. Lot's of us have argued with
him but he has that annoying habit of passing off his opinions as
fact. The fact that his total system cost around $250,000 makes it
for anyone else to say 'I heard one of those and it sucks' After
pressing him to let me go listen to his system he said there was no
need and any 5 to 10K vinyl system would be obviously superior to and
CD system so I should go to my local hi-fi shop and hear one. I would
love to do this and be able to go back and say, I did that and it
still sounded crap. Hence the original question.

Ian

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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message


There's an easy test for this. Transfer - using the best possible
equipment - an LP to CD. Ask the golden eared boys to tell which is
which in a blind test. They won't be able to. And I'll put serious
money up for a bet if someone wants to try. But they'll have to equal
it.

Do the same in reverse. Much more difficult, of course. But it can be
done. Anyone with quarter decent hearing will tell the difference.

Agreed.