"ruffrecords" wrote in message


I don't want to repeat the entire argument but this guy lives in Miami
and claims to have a $73,000 turtable and similarly expensive other
components.

More money than brains...

Despite that, he argues that any vinyl based system in
the $5K to $10K range will 'blow away' any CD system of any kind and
that the differences will be so noticeable as to be obvious.

The difference will be obvious. For reference purposes, the vinyl system is
the one with tics, pops, and other forms of audible noise and distortion.
The good CD system is the one that provides an audibly perfect replica of
the signal that was recorded.

As to 'better' as you might expect this has been debated at length.

Some people are addicted to the audible noise and distortion that is
inherent in the vinyl format.

In summary it comes down to instruments sounding more like the real
thing, and of course he claims extensive and regular exposure to what
the real thing sounds like.

That's why 99% sales of new recordings are CDs, not LPs. They sound less
like music than LPs.

He further claims that tremendous technological advances have been
made in vinyl reproduction technology in the last 30 years so mit now
sounds better than any of us old lags would have remembered hearing
back in its heyday in the 70's.

Actually, very little has changed. The last major technological change in
vinyl production was Direct Metal Mastering, and by most accounts, it was
not an unqualified improvement. The last major technological change in vinyl
playback was either laser tracking or digital denoising, and by most
accounts they are not unqualified improvements, either.

Oh, and by the way, you can only achieve this incredible level of
quality by playing one of a few direct to disk records still in
circulation and of which any really decent hi-fi shop will have a few.

Direct-to-disk was an improvement because it eliminated the tape
record/playback cycle which is in fact not sonically transparent. However,
digital recording and production can provide identical benefits and greatly
ease the production process.

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
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"ruffrecords" wrote in message


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That's why 99% sales of new recordings are CDs, not LPs. They sound less
like music than LPs.

Freudian slip perhaps :-)

"Mike Gilmour" wrote in message

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"ruffrecords" wrote in message


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That's why 99% sales of new recordings are CDs, not LPs. They
sound less like music than LPs.

Freudian slip perhaps :-)

Sarcasm.

On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 10:05:55 +0100, Jim Lesurf
wrote:

In article , ruffrecords
wrote:

Already am. Having a disagreement with a guy on another group who
reckons hi end vinyl sounds way better - I mean obviously better than
CD. He suggested I should visit a hi-end hi-fi shop and listen to 5 to
10 grands worth of vinyl kit to hear waht I have been missing, so
that's waht I intend to do.

If he knows this, he presumably knows what system he heard, and where he
heard it. So I'd say it was up to him to say where you can listen to this
system he rates so highly. OTOH If his opinion is just a generalisation,
and he can't give you an example you can actually listen to, then judge his
opinion on that basis. :-)

I'm also a bit puzzled by the idea that what is needed is 5-10 grand of
'vinyl kit'. Does this include the power amps and speakers and listening
room being specifically 'vinyl kit', or is he just talking about the
cartridge, arm, deck, and RIAA preamp?

Must admit I am also somewhat doubtful of recommending kit (apparently)
solely on the basis that it costs a lot of money...

Indeed so. I have about 10 grand of 'vinyl kit' if you include the amp
and speakers, but only about £1500 up to the preamp inputs. OTOH, it
still doesn't sound as good as CD............. :-)

For the OP's information, it's on my page at
http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/
and he's welcome to drop in any time for a listen, in much better
surroundings than he'll find in a hi-fi shop!
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

Stewart Pinkerton wrote:
snip


For the OP's information, it's on my page at
http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/
and he's welcome to drop in any time for a listen, in much better
surroundings than he'll find in a hi-fi shop!

If you are not too far away I just moght take you up on that. I am in
North Norfolk near Cromer. Whereabouts are you?

Ian

On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 22:03:49 +0100, ruffrecords
wrote:

Stewart Pinkerton wrote:
snip

For the OP's information, it's on my page at
http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/
and he's welcome to drop in any time for a listen, in much better
surroundings than he'll find in a hi-fi shop!

If you are not too far away I just moght take you up on that. I am in
North Norfolk near Cromer. Whereabouts are you?

A small village called Rempstone, on the A60 between Loughborough and
Nottingham.
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

Stewart Pinkerton wrote:
On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 22:03:49 +0100, ruffrecords
wrote:


Stewart Pinkerton wrote:
snip

For the OP's information, it's on my page at
http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/
and he's welcome to drop in any time for a listen, in much better
surroundings than he'll find in a hi-fi shop!

If you are not too far away I just moght take you up on that. I am in
North Norfolk near Cromer. Whereabouts are you?


A small village called Rempstone, on the A60 between Loughborough and
Nottingham.

Not too far away. I went to Notty Uni and my mother's family all live
around there so it is not unfamiliar territory. I'll get back to you.

Cheers

Ian

Jim Lesurf wrote:
In article , ruffrecords
wrote:



Already am. Having a disagreement with a guy on another group who
reckons hi end vinyl sounds way better - I mean obviously better than
CD. He suggested I should visit a hi-end hi-fi shop and listen to 5 to
10 grands worth of vinyl kit to hear waht I have been missing, so
that's waht I intend to do.


If he knows this, he presumably knows what system he heard, and where he
heard it. So I'd say it was up to him to say where you can listen to this
system he rates so highly. OTOH If his opinion is just a generalisation,
and he can't give you an example you can actually listen to, then judge his
opinion on that basis. :-)

Unfortunately he lives in Miami and refuses to let me visit him to
hear his sytem.


I'm also a bit puzzled by the idea that what is needed is 5-10 grand of
'vinyl kit'. Does this include the power amps and speakers and listening
room being specifically 'vinyl kit', or is he just talking about the
cartridge, arm, deck, and RIAA preamp?

I think he means system from cartridge to speakers but probably
excluding room treatment. I asked him how his room was treated but he
refused to answer.


Must admit I am also somewhat doubtful of recommending kit (apparently)
solely on the basis that it costs a lot of money...

He has no doubt about it at all. As I mentioned eleswhere he says he
has a $73,000 turntable and the rest of his sytem is of similar cost
and he reckons you can definitely hear how much better his sytem is
than a 5 to 10K one.

Ian

Unfortunately he lives in Miami and refuses to let me visit him to
hear his sytem.

I think he means system from cartridge to speakers but probably excluding
room treatment. I asked him how his room was treated but he refused to
answer.

Sounds like a typical audiophile tosspot.

Bet he's got expensive cable, and his room is messed up (bare wood floors,
lots of glass, echoey etc)

Nath wrote:
Unfortunately he lives in Miami and refuses to let me visit him to
hear his sytem.


I think he means system from cartridge to speakers but probably excluding
room treatment. I asked him how his room was treated but he refused to
answer.


Sounds like a typical audiophile tosspot.

Bet he's got expensive cable, and his room is messed up (bare wood floors,
lots of glass, echoey etc)



I aksed him to post a picture but he refused that too.

ian