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"Stewart Pinkerton" wrote in message
...

From your comments you clearly have guts of jelly - or are you backing
off your comments about 'cable sound'?
--
Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

Touch of Alzheimers there, Stew. Let me remind you
that the subject is "dac sound" :-)

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On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 08:01:07 +0000 (UTC), "Alan Murphy"
wrote:

"Stewart Pinkerton" wrote in message
.. .

Done, given that the levels are equalised, but you'll need to achieve
that in thirty trials for statistical significance. Two out of three
won't do!

Hiding behind equalisation again, Stew.

It is and always has been an essential pre-requisite of any comparison
- all good salesman know that..................

Alternatively, you are saying that you can achieve the sound of a
$16,000 Mark Levinson 'Reference' DAC just by advancing your volume
control a tad. You can't have it both ways. Naturally, I knew you'd
chicken out when actually called on your bull****.

I can of course tell 20 out of 20 with the *same* DAC in circuit, but
the volume boosted by 0.5dB in one case. It doesn't sound *louder*, it
just sounds 'better', more dynamic, more detailed etc etc. This ain't
rocket science, and it ain't new. The whole point of the notorious MF
X-10D 'buffer' was that it boosted the signal by 10%, just enough to
make sure that it sounded 'better', but not enough to make the
trickery obvious.
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

Older seperates vs new system
 

On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 08:03:23 +0000 (UTC), "Alan Murphy"
wrote:

"Stewart Pinkerton" wrote in message
.. .

From your comments you clearly have guts of jelly - or are you backing
off your comments about 'cable sound'?

Touch of Alzheimers there, Stew. Let me remind you
that the subject is "dac sound" :-)

You rather than me, or a touch of bull**** there, Alan, since you were
the one who made the comment about me and cable sound in the first
place. You have of course proved yourself to be the gutless blowhard
we all know and loathe, when called on your £1,000 DAC sound bet.
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

Older seperates vs new system
 

I can tell the difference between a couple of mate's budget CD players to my
Tag DAC20, and a Rotel CD player or Rega Planet.

You must be deaf stew. If you think CD players all sound the same, fine. But
don't bother try to persuade other people they do.

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Tat Chan wrote in message ...
I reckon for £200, the OP would be able to put together a system that is
better than a similarly priced mini system (and let's face it, budget
hi-fi prices in UK are a bargain compared to Oz)

£100 for the CD player and amp (look around Ebay or 2nd hand) and the
speakers for £100 (or more, if the OP can stretch the budget).

The first system I actually paid for consisted of a 2nd hand amp and CD
player, and a discounted speaker model for £250. Admittedly, I paid too
much for the amp and CD player (I was going through a nostalgic trip
through early 90s What Hi-Fi mags and decided to get the components I
couldn't afford back then)

I actually wanted to get a Denon DM-31 at first, but the version they
exported to Oz didn't come with the Mission speakers (they had some
really poor Denon speakers), so I said, "stuff it, let's see what
separates system I can put together for the same amount of cash!"

I never looked back. My next upgrade would be improving the conditions
of my listening room.

The Denon DM31 at £185 does appeal to me with a cheap set of speakers
until an upgrade for those can be found. I forgot to mention that a
lot of my time will be spent listening via headphones, so you'll
understand if speakers aren't that important to me :-)

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MG Lewis wrote:


The Denon DM31 at £185 does appeal to me with a cheap set of speakers
until an upgrade for those can be found. I forgot to mention that a
lot of my time will be spent listening via headphones, so you'll
understand if speakers aren't that important to me :-)

like everyone else has mentioned, you should be able to pick up a good
pair of discontinued speakers from Richer Sounds for not much cash. And
the DM-31 has a subwoofer output as well, in case you feel the need to
add a sub later on.

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On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 18:16:06 +0100, "Nath" wrote:

I can tell the difference between a couple of mate's budget CD players to my
Tag DAC20, and a Rotel CD player or Rega Planet.

You must be deaf stew. If you think CD players all sound the same, fine. But
don't bother try to persuade other people they do.

It's OK Nath, we already know that you're deaf from all that
subwoofing.

If you stop posturing for a moment, did you notice that Alan shut his
trap as soon as I actually accepted his bet? You think *you* can
*really* tell the difference, once output levels are matched? :-)

There are of course some really *bad* CD players around (and the
original Rega Planet is certainly one of them!), but most CD players
are indeed sonically indistinguishable. Anyone else got a grand they'd
like to lose?
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

Older seperates vs new system
 

"Stewart Pinkerton" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 08:01:07 +0000 (UTC), "Alan Murphy"
wrote:

"Stewart Pinkerton" wrote in message
.. .

Done, given that the levels are equalised, but you'll need to achieve
that in thirty trials for statistical significance. Two out of three
won't do!

Hiding behind equalisation again, Stew.

It is and always has been an essential pre-requisite of any comparison
- all good salesman know that..................

Alternatively, you are saying that you can achieve the sound of a
$16,000 Mark Levinson 'Reference' DAC just by advancing your volume
control a tad. You can't have it both ways. Naturally, I knew you'd
chicken out when actually called on your bull****.

I can of course tell 20 out of 20 with the *same* DAC in circuit, but
the volume boosted by 0.5dB in one case. It doesn't sound *louder*, it
just sounds 'better', more dynamic, more detailed etc etc. This ain't
rocket science, and it ain't new. The whole point of the notorious MF
X-10D 'buffer' was that it boosted the signal by 10%, just enough to
make sure that it sounded 'better', but not enough to make the
trickery obvious.
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

Were you born boring, or did you have to work really hard at it?
I told you that the bet was a plain comparison without equalisation.
You are the welsher. Do you want to take that bet or not?

Older seperates vs new system
 

"Stewart Pinkerton" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 08:03:23 +0000 (UTC), "Alan Murphy"
wrote:

"Stewart Pinkerton" wrote in message
.. .

From your comments you clearly have guts of jelly - or are you backing
off your comments about 'cable sound'?

Touch of Alzheimers there, Stew. Let me remind you
that the subject is "dac sound" :-)

You rather than me, or a touch of bull**** there, Alan, since you were
the one who made the comment about me and cable sound in the first
place. You have of course proved yourself to be the gutless blowhard
we all know and loathe, when called on your £1,000 DAC sound bet.
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

I told you that the bet was a plain comparison without equalisation.
You are the welsher. Do you want to take that bet or not?

Older seperates vs new system
 

"Stewart Pinkerton" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 18:16:06 +0100, "Nath" wrote:

I can tell the difference between a couple of mate's budget CD players
to my
Tag DAC20, and a Rotel CD player or Rega Planet.

You must be deaf stew. If you think CD players all sound the same, fine.
But
don't bother try to persuade other people they do.

It's OK Nath, we already know that you're deaf from all that
subwoofing.

If you stop posturing for a moment, did you notice that Alan shut his
trap as soon as I actually accepted his bet? You think *you* can
*really* tell the difference, once output levels are matched? :-)

There are of course some really *bad* CD players around (and the
original Rega Planet is certainly one of them!), but most CD players
are indeed sonically indistinguishable. Anyone else got a grand they'd
like to lose?
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

I told you that the bet was a plain comparison without equalisation.
You are the welsher. Do you want to take that bet or not?