October 10th 04, 10:38 PM
posted to uk.rec.audio
|
|
|
Good amps all sound the same do they?
Bob Latham wrote:
I would contest the "popular opinion" bit though. I don't know anyone (as
in spoken face to face) who is remotely interested in Hi-Fi who would say
amplifiers sound the same. I only hear that opinion here.
No. you dont.
the opinion you hear hear is that all *COMPETANT* amps sound the same -
that is, all amps, able to drive enough current into the load to
accurately replicate the input signal on the output terminals, will
sound identical.
|
October 10th 04, 11:01 PM
posted to uk.rec.audio
|
|
|
Good amps all sound the same do they?
Ian Molton wrote:
the opinion you hear hear is that all *COMPETANT* amps sound the same
- that is, all amps, able to drive enough current into the load to
accurately replicate the input signal on the output terminals, will
sound identical.
That sounds rather tautological to me.
--
Wally
www.artbywally.com
www.wally.myby.co.uk
|
October 11th 04, 01:03 AM
posted to uk.rec.audio
|
|
|
Good amps all sound the same do they?
In article ,
Wally wrote:
the opinion you hear hear is that all *COMPETANT* amps sound the same
- that is, all amps, able to drive enough current into the load to
accurately replicate the input signal on the output terminals, will
sound identical.
That sounds rather tautological to me.
Sadly, it's not. You'd be amazed what tricks some 'respected' makers get
up to to make their amps sound 'different' and therefore 'better' at a
simple audition. But these are easily measured. Which is why some of the
more esoteric mags don't like lab tests.
--
*If you think nobody cares about you, try missing a couple of payments *
Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.
|
October 11th 04, 04:15 AM
posted to uk.rec.audio
|
|
|
Good amps all sound the same do they?
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Wally wrote:
the opinion you hear hear is that all *COMPETANT* amps sound the same
- that is, all amps, able to drive enough current into the load to
accurately replicate the input signal on the output terminals, will
sound identical.
That sounds rather tautological to me.
Sadly, it's not. You'd be amazed what tricks some 'respected' makers get
up to to make their amps sound 'different' and therefore 'better' at a
simple audition. But these are easily measured. Which is why some of the
more esoteric mags don't like lab tests.
What other esoteric mags are there? Stereophile publishes measurements,
and HFN&RR probably does (haven't seen a copy for a while, the recent
ones at my newsagent were sealed).
|
October 11th 04, 07:10 AM
posted to uk.rec.audio
|
|
|
Good amps all sound the same do they?
On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 14:15:45 +1000, Tat Chan
wrote:
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Wally wrote:
the opinion you hear hear is that all *COMPETANT* amps sound the same
- that is, all amps, able to drive enough current into the load to
accurately replicate the input signal on the output terminals, will
sound identical.
That sounds rather tautological to me.
Sadly, it's not. You'd be amazed what tricks some 'respected' makers get
up to to make their amps sound 'different' and therefore 'better' at a
simple audition. But these are easily measured. Which is why some of the
more esoteric mags don't like lab tests.
What other esoteric mags are there? Stereophile publishes measurements,
and HFN&RR probably does (haven't seen a copy for a while, the recent
ones at my newsagent were sealed).
The Absolute Sound, Hi-Fi+, UHF, for some. Sterophile and HFN are the
daddies of all mainstream mags, certainly not 'esoteric'.
--
Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering
|
October 11th 04, 08:09 AM
posted to uk.rec.audio
|
|
|
Good amps all sound the same do they?
Stewart Pinkerton wrote:
On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 14:15:45 +1000, Tat Chan
wrote:
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
Sadly, it's not. You'd be amazed what tricks some 'respected' makers get
up to to make their amps sound 'different' and therefore 'better' at a
simple audition. But these are easily measured. Which is why some of the
more esoteric mags don't like lab tests.
What other esoteric mags are there? Stereophile publishes measurements,
and HFN&RR probably does (haven't seen a copy for a while, the recent
ones at my newsagent were sealed).
The Absolute Sound, Hi-Fi+, UHF, for some. Sterophile and HFN are the
daddies of all mainstream mags, certainly not 'esoteric'.
I have seen the TAS at my newsagent from time to time.
Btw, I think Stereophile is esoteric compared to What Hi Fi and Hi Fi
Choice!
|
October 11th 04, 06:19 PM
posted to uk.rec.audio
|
|
|
Good amps all sound the same do they?
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
That sounds rather tautological to me.
Sadly, it's not.
Actually, it is. Consider...
"all amps, able to accurately replicate the input signal on the output
terminals, will sound identical"
If it isn't, then what does "accurately" mean in this context?
You'd be amazed what tricks some 'respected' makers
get up to to make their amps sound 'different' and therefore 'better'
at a simple audition. But these are easily measured. Which is why
some of the more esoteric mags don't like lab tests.
Not relevant to the proposition being analysed.
--
Wally
www.artbywally.com
www.wally.myby.co.uk
|
October 11th 04, 06:46 PM
posted to uk.rec.audio
|
|
|
Good amps all sound the same do they?
On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 02:03:17 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:
In article ,
Wally wrote:
the opinion you hear hear is that all *COMPETANT* amps sound the same
- that is, all amps, able to drive enough current into the load to
accurately replicate the input signal on the output terminals, will
sound identical.
That sounds rather tautological to me.
Sadly, it's not. You'd be amazed what tricks some 'respected' makers get
up to to make their amps sound 'different' and therefore 'better' at a
simple audition. But these are easily measured. Which is why some of the
more esoteric mags don't like lab tests.
What tricks do they get up to?
--
Cheers, Des
|
October 11th 04, 10:13 AM
posted to uk.rec.audio
|
|
|
Good amps all sound the same do they?
"Ian Molton" wrote in message
...
Bob Latham wrote:
I would contest the "popular opinion" bit though. I don't know anyone (as
in spoken face to face) who is remotely interested in Hi-Fi who would say
amplifiers sound the same. I only hear that opinion here.
No. you dont.
the opinion you hear hear is that all *COMPETANT* amps sound the same -
that is, all amps, able to drive enough current into the load to
accurately replicate the input signal on the output terminals, will sound
identical.
**Duh. The trick is, that many amps are actually measurably wrong, when
driving real world speakers. The catch is, of course, that few measurements
are conducted when the amplifier is connected to an actual speaker.
--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au
|
| Thread Tools |
|
|
| Display Modes |
 Hybrid Mode
|
|
