Stewart Pinkerton wrote:

On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 13:40:35 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:

The 'clean' sound of the CD was to supposed to tempt people off the
'relatively noisy' tapes and LPs - they are peddling crappy DAB in exactly
the same manner today. I don't think the MI had a clue that duplication of
CDs would ever become as easy as it is today - I certainly never thought it
would. (CDs preceded PCs by a considerable period.)

Nope. The IBM PC was launched in 1981, CD in late '82. Of course, it
took a while for CD burners to become ubiquitous! :-)

It would be true to say though that CDs predated PCs with either (a) adequate
size HDs to store audio data or (b) the introduction of CD writers into PCs.


Graham

John Phillips wrote:
In article , Tat Chan wrote:

Any one still got a Sony CDP-101, Meridian MCD Pro or early Philips
model in working condition?


Yes. Second generation Philips - a CD303 - from late 1983. (Well it
was still going strong 14 months ago when I retired it for a more modern
player.) No digital output, the 14-bit 4x oversampling DAC chipset.

ah. one of the "gun metal" grey players with a red LCD display?


I have a good number of CDs from the same era. Only one has ever failed.
A cheap MFP CD in which you can see the label-side printing has modulated
the reflective layer, possibly through some form of print-through.
It played perfectly to start with but has deteriorated with time. It now
plays near-perfectly in the modern crop of better quality players but
is terrible in my modern DVD player and was not too good in the Philips
CD303. I've kept it as a test disk.


well, my CD player from the early 90s seems to handle CDs better than my DVD
player, including copy protected CDs.

Stewart Pinkerton wrote:

On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 13:20:20 +1000, Tat Chan
wrote:


Keith G wrote:


Email me with your number when you next plan a visit and I'll contact you.
I'll also send you a tartan baseball cap and some blue LEDs to fit
underneath your car, to get you through the 'perimeter defences'.....



I must have missed a joke here.
What's with the Tartan baseball cap and blue LEDs for cars?


He lives in St Neots, Cambs, which he regards as 'Chav Central'. Since
you're an honorary Ozzy, I'll expand

shouldn't that be honorary Brit?



- a Chav is one of the 'underclass' polluting our fair shores.

oooh ... is this the whole class warfare thingo I keep hearing about British
society?

The Chav may be recognised by
the wearing of garish clothing which *must* have an instantly
recognisable brand - Adidas white trainers (white so you know he got
them today!), FCUK OFF! T-shirt

are you refering to the FCUK expletive or the clothing label?

and a Burberry baseball cap (not
really 'tartan', but similar). The Chav drives a Vauxhall Corsa,
painted candyflake orange, with 'Lexus' rear lights, a 'Touring Car'
spoiler, at least two 5" exhaust pipes, black windows, and lots of
blue LEDs illuminating the underside.

LOL.

Don't forget the massive subwoofer in the boot! And the "doof doof" music!

They may occasionally have IQs
in treble figures, but this is highly unusual. The ultimate royalty of
the land of Chav is the celebrity Chav Beckham and her Lowness Queen
Victoria of the Chavettes.


Thanks for the description of Chavs.

Do they exist around your neck of the woods?

More important, do they travel overseas as backpackers? I'm near "Pommy
Backbacker Central" in Oz and it is getting warmer here, so the next batch of
backpackers should be arriving soon.

Btw, Oz has its own version of Chavs, though there is no label attached to them.
They listen to r'n'b (the modern commercial crap of course, not the classic
50s/60s stuff), hip hop, rap and commercial dance music. Fashion wise, they wear
the same stuff as Chavs, minus Burberry caps.

And they are mostly not of Anglo-Celtic descent ...

Keith G wrote:

"Tat Chan" wrote in message
...

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:



Of course, CD players couldn't be made by the cottage industry that was
much of the Hi-Fi industry. So it's not surprising the charlatans amongst
them bad mouthed it. Interestingly, the real pros, like Peter Walker (who
was at that meeting) welcomed it with open arms.


Cottage industry? Why this surely can't be the same companies who pooh
poohed digital music in the 80s but started making CD players in the 90s
after deciding "digital has finally caught up with vinyl in sound
quality"?



Like anyone else, 'manufacturers' have to go with the flow to stay alive -
if vinyl's so 'dead', how come the spate of brand new decks we're seeing
now....???



I didn't say 'vinyl is dead', but I guess there is enough of a demand from the
public for new vinyl rigs to justify the manufacture of them.

Keith G wrote:


snip Stewart's description of chavs


An excellent general descriptive, I would just the following few points:

There is also the regulation Elizabeth Duke (Argos) 'bling' to consider.

All 'designer' clothing is, naturally, of the 'knock off' variety..

The wearing of shorts is mandatory to expose 'football' tattoos on the backs
of the legs (either gender....)..


oh dear, so they are football supporters as well? I would have thought that
their music and football don't go together (though I remember reading an article
stating that some of the younger footballers are chavs).


Chavs are the natural evolution from (and the aspiration of) all 'Hoodies'
and 'Boyz'...

There is no upper age limit to being a Chav or using/wearing/driving any of
the above..


don't they all get married, have kids and move into suburbia?


The heavily-doctored Chav cars are totally ****ed for speed, due to the
cluelessness of the 'exhaust modifications' mostly....


But they would sure produce a lot of noise ...


My favourite Chav joke (as a very good indicator) is:

Q. Where does a Chav take a Chavette for a good time?

A. Up the 'gary'....

(You may need further clarification on this..... ;-)


I think I can Google for this though I have a vague idea




Btw, your town gets a mention here!

http://www.chavtowns.co.uk/modules.p...rticle&sid=505


Feel free to correct any inaccuracies in that article ...

Keith G wrote:


Ah ha! Now there was a *definite* article in a very recent HFW where Noel
Keywood hinted/stated that vinyl would/could (??) rival 24/196...??

I've had a quick look (I don't get that many comix these days, believe it or
not) but, once again, it didn't leap out at me. I'm sorry to be so vague -
but it all goes in one ear and out the other with me - I actually ain't too
hung up on it!!!

Does no-one else read these???



I only regularly read (should I even admit it?) Waht Hi-Fi at my local
newsagent. I read Stereophile, TAS, Australian Hi Fi, Hi-Fi Choice, Hi-Fi World
and HFNRR whenever it gets stocked by my newsagent (and when they don't come
sealed in plastic!).

I haven't bought a hi-fi mag since the early 90s.

On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 23:08:35 +0100, Eiron wrote:

Stewart Pinkerton wrote:

How about the vinylphiles who swear that a Garrard 401 or Thorens 124
is the best way to replay vinyl? Or fans of the Decca cart?

A 401 is the best way to spin vinyl.

A 3009 and a V15 is the best way to replay vinyl,
unless the remasters are out on CD.

These remarks were not considered to be universal truths even in 1964
(OK, '74 for the V15), while in 2004 they are simply risible, with the
possible exception of the V15, which rivals the Porsche 911 in terms
of continuous development of a single model!
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 23:39:15 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:

I'm afraid the technical credentials of the author are all too clear
in that article. On the right hand graph, of dynamic range, he claims
a range of 70dB on the basis of where the noise floor is.
Unfortunately his resolution bandwidth appears to be about 50Hz. If we
convert that to a rather more proper 3kHz (I won't go for the full
20), then we need to add 18dB, leaving us with a far more believable
53dB. That would equate to about 9 bits of digital resolution.

I'm sure there's more, but I can't be bothered to squint right now.


Well, the whole (2 page) thing is an interesting, if somewhat predictable,
'pro-vinyl' thing by Noel Keywood. If you are interested I'll try to take a
couple of better snaps tomorrow in better light and post them.

One thing is tickling me - there's a couple of 'right experts' in here (who
don't even work in the audio industry) slinging crap at some of the biggest
names in UK audio!!! (May come as a surprise to them that even NK's
audience, with HFW, is a tad bigger than the motley bunch of loonies that
hang around in here!!! :-)

Please do reproduce the whole thing; I'd like to read it, but I'm
afraid I will be a critical reviewer.

d
Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

In article , Eiron wrote:
Stewart Pinkerton wrote:

Note he didn't say 'vinyl replay', he said *vinyl*. The *medium* has
not improved at all in thirty years.

What about the generally atrocious standard of pressings in the early
seventies? ISTR having to take back a significant proportion of my LP
purchases. They sounded like the vinyl contained sand, fag-ends and the
sweepings from the factory floor.

On more than one occasion I recall returning an LP that visibly had bits of
paper or metal swarf embedded in the vinyl.

Slainte,

Jim

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On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 16:36:33 GMT, (Don Pearce)
wrote:

On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 16:26:22 +0000 (UTC), Stewart Pinkerton
wrote:

On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 15:15:33 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:

"Ian Molton" wrote in message
...
Keith G wrote:

Higher 'sampling rate' due to the increased stylus/vinyl relative
speed...

Possibly offset by the inertia of the pickup, however...

btw... you're in st.neots it seems - coincidentally where my friend
lives...

got a postcode I can look up in streetmap ?

OK, I'm sure you'll understand my reluctance to expose my actual place of
residence to the whole spectrum of Usenet, knowing what 'nutters' do lurk
therein, but I'll go as far as to say it's actually Eaton Ford (St Neots is
the other side of the river, thank ****) and not far from the Golf Club....

(Feck me, if I gave out my address here, Pinky'd be down here with a
Transit, knicking all my valve gear and Plowie would have my sodding deck
away....!!! :-)

Nah, but I used to work on targeting systems for torpedoes. How far
away from the river did you say you are? :-)

You aren't the man who nearly blew up a GPO van with a Tigerfish, are
you?

No, but it was an impressive sight! Don't tell anyone, but the depth
sensor had been wired upside down, so that instead of maintaining a
steady depth, it porpoised until the section seals ruptured on
re-entry! That were a *big* booger, the mk24! Probably a sign of a
sick mind, but we worked like crazy to get them operational in time
for the Falklands War, and we were well ****ed off when that sub
commander decided to use an old WW2-style 'dumb' torpedo against the
Belgrano - he didn't trust the new-fangled wire-guided technology.
Harrrumph!
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