"David Houpt" wrote in message
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Prompted me to dig through my vinyl for a recording of Soloman playing
Grieg
& Schumann piano concertos in A minor (Op.16 & Op. 54 respectively) with
the
Philharmonia Orch just to give it another listen. Answer VVG+ :-)

The same recording from the 50s I guess with Menges at the helm. Is
yours the original? Mine has the original mono recording
'electronically reprocessed' to give a stereo effect - not something
that is done now. Historical recordings on CD tend to leave well
alone apart from cleaning up the sound a bit.....

Fashions change of course.

Regards

David

Dated 1958 EMI in stereo with Menges. Nothing on the sleeve about either the
recording or venue. I cringe when I see 'electronically reprocessed' on
the sleeve due to early attempts giving only L/C/R that unbelievable image,
I would have preferred it to stay mono.

"Mike Gilmour" wrote in message
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"David Houpt" wrote in message
...

Prompted me to dig through my vinyl for a recording of Soloman playing
Grieg
& Schumann piano concertos in A minor (Op.16 & Op. 54 respectively) with
the
Philharmonia Orch just to give it another listen. Answer VVG+ :-)

The same recording from the 50s I guess with Menges at the helm. Is
yours the original? Mine has the original mono recording
'electronically reprocessed' to give a stereo effect - not something
that is done now. Historical recordings on CD tend to leave well
alone apart from cleaning up the sound a bit.....

Fashions change of course.

Regards

David

Dated 1958 EMI in stereo with Menges. Nothing on the sleeve about either
the recording or venue. I cringe when I see 'electronically reprocessed'
on the sleeve due to early attempts giving only L/C/R that unbelievable
image, I would have preferred it to stay mono.


Absolutely agree - nothing more disconcerting than hearing a piano wafting
left and right across the speakers! Makes me envisage a bunch of people
wheeling it backwards and forwards!! :-)

"Keith G" wrote in message
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"Mike Gilmour" wrote in message
...

"David Houpt" wrote in message
...

Prompted me to dig through my vinyl for a recording of Soloman playing
Grieg
& Schumann piano concertos in A minor (Op.16 & Op. 54 respectively) with
the
Philharmonia Orch just to give it another listen. Answer VVG+ :-)

The same recording from the 50s I guess with Menges at the helm. Is
yours the original? Mine has the original mono recording
'electronically reprocessed' to give a stereo effect - not something
that is done now. Historical recordings on CD tend to leave well
alone apart from cleaning up the sound a bit.....

Fashions change of course.

Regards

David

Dated 1958 EMI in stereo with Menges. Nothing on the sleeve about either
the recording or venue. I cringe when I see 'electronically
reprocessed' on the sleeve due to early attempts giving only L/C/R that
unbelievable image, I would have preferred it to stay mono.


Absolutely agree - nothing more disconcerting than hearing a piano wafting
left and right across the speakers! Makes me envisage a bunch of people
wheeling it backwards and forwards!! :-)



I shall have that image in my mind now...for ever Arghhhh.
While we're on the subject of joannas I really really hate a piano spread
wide across the soundstage. Who plays a 15' wide piano anyways, Its not
rocket science to get a piano in scale within a soundstage. There is plenty
of info out there on properly mic'ing pianos - I know recordists have their
fav mics & positioning but to get it so massively wrong bears no excuse.
Execute 'em all!!!!!

"Mike Gilmour" wrote


Absolutely agree - nothing more disconcerting than hearing a piano
wafting left and right across the speakers! Makes me envisage a bunch of
people wheeling it backwards and forwards!! :-)



I shall have that image in my mind now...for ever Arghhhh.


:-)

Same with a solo guitar....!!!


While we're on the subject of joannas I really really hate a piano spread
wide across the soundstage. Who plays a 15' wide piano anyways, Its not
rocket science to get a piano in scale within a soundstage. There is
plenty of info out there on properly mic'ing pianos - I know recordists
have their fav mics & positioning but to get it so massively wrong bears
no excuse. Execute 'em all!!!!!


At the risk of feeding my critics with ammo, I'll go further and say that
I'm not so sure that I want a 'stereo' image anyway. Much of my best music
is mono and much of my listening is done from kit which is in a room behind
me and which is nicely 'monoed' by the time I hear it! (For instance, when
I'm on this bloody computer - without the music I doubt I would post here
twice a month!!) Add to that the distance kills off all normal surface noise
(if any) and renders the spitchiest record 'music only'!!

A voice or any solo instrument stretched across the two speakers will ****
me off anyway - let alone when it wafts backwards and forwards across the
speakers! You might be interested to know that when I was 'flip-flopping'
between two separate systems on the same source, when I flipped to the
triode amp the most noticeable thing was that it immediately snapped vocals
into a solid, central image! One of the reasons I'm fast becoming a triode
enthusiast!!

Going even further into the quicksand, I'll say that a single point source
like a decent 'wireless' (must be 6 Roberts radios kicking around here
somewhere) gives me much more 'listening pleasure' than any overly-faked up
stereo!!

:-)

"Keith G" wrote in message
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"Mike Gilmour" wrote


Absolutely agree - nothing more disconcerting than hearing a piano
wafting left and right across the speakers! Makes me envisage a bunch of
people wheeling it backwards and forwards!! :-)



I shall have that image in my mind now...for ever Arghhhh.


:-)

Same with a solo guitar....!!!


While we're on the subject of joannas I really really hate a piano spread
wide across the soundstage. Who plays a 15' wide piano anyways, Its not
rocket science to get a piano in scale within a soundstage. There is
plenty of info out there on properly mic'ing pianos - I know recordists
have their fav mics & positioning but to get it so massively wrong bears
no excuse. Execute 'em all!!!!!


At the risk of feeding my critics with ammo, I'll go further and say that
I'm not so sure that I want a 'stereo' image anyway. Much of my best music
is mono and much of my listening is done from kit which is in a room
behind me and which is nicely 'monoed' by the time I hear it! (For
instance, when I'm on this bloody computer - without the music I doubt I
would post here twice a month!!) Add to that the distance kills off all
normal surface noise (if any) and renders the spitchiest record 'music
only'!!

A voice or any solo instrument stretched across the two speakers will ****
me off anyway - let alone when it wafts backwards and forwards across the
speakers! You might be interested to know that when I was 'flip-flopping'
between two separate systems on the same source, when I flipped to the
triode amp the most noticeable thing was that it immediately snapped
vocals into a solid, central image! One of the reasons I'm fast becoming a
triode enthusiast!!

Going even further into the quicksand, I'll say that a single point source
like a decent 'wireless' (must be 6 Roberts radios kicking around here
somewhere) gives me much more 'listening pleasure' than any overly-faked
up stereo!!

:-)




I agree on the single source especially on something like Roberts and a lot
more sociable but its a different type listening on a well set up stereo
system where you're in the sweet spot 'looking' into a soundstage with
realistic width, depth and height (pinky alert!!) & layering disappearing
way beyond the back wall (wait for the distortion artifacts due to valves
argument) it's a wonderful experience and it seems so very real. Works best
with the Decca tree or other minimal recording procedures like three
track - not overdone recordings with a zillion microphones & multitracked
phase confusion that sound artifical from the start. Done right then I'm
happy otherwise I'd rather listen to my trannie or car radio. Guess it all
comes down to personal tastes in the end.

"Mike Gilmour" wrote


snip

I agree on the single source especially on something like Roberts and a
lot more sociable but its a different type listening on a well set up
stereo system where you're in the sweet spot 'looking' into a soundstage
with realistic width, depth and height (pinky alert!!) & layering
disappearing way beyond the back wall (wait for the distortion artifacts
due to valves argument) it's a wonderful experience and it seems so very
real. Works best with the Decca tree or other minimal recording
procedures like three track - not overdone recordings with a zillion
microphones & multitracked phase confusion that sound artifical from the
start. Done right then I'm happy otherwise I'd rather listen to my trannie
or car radio. Guess it all comes down to personal tastes in the end.


Or how desperately you need to feel like you're at the *live event* when
stuck in traffic on the M25......

;-)


Ya gotta larf...... :-)

"Keith G" wrote in message
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"Mike Gilmour" wrote


snip

I agree on the single source especially on something like Roberts and a
lot more sociable but its a different type listening on a well set up
stereo system where you're in the sweet spot 'looking' into a soundstage
with realistic width, depth and height (pinky alert!!) & layering
disappearing way beyond the back wall (wait for the distortion artifacts
due to valves argument) it's a wonderful experience and it seems so very
real. Works best with the Decca tree or other minimal recording
procedures like three track - not overdone recordings with a zillion
microphones & multitracked phase confusion that sound artifical from the
start. Done right then I'm happy otherwise I'd rather listen to my
trannie or car radio. Guess it all comes down to personal tastes in the
end.


Or how desperately you need to feel like you're at the *live event* when
stuck in traffic on the M25......

;-)


Ya gotta larf...... :-)






Ahh slow rumble of the engine on tickover. Takes a deep breath to inhale
more favourite dioxides - enjoys the panoramic views of stationary traffic,
adds some more teethmarks to the steering wheel, 'Hello Officer'
I'm in Inverness..... M25 Wots that??