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Mrs. P - Now, put that model aeroplane away and wash your hands. You look a bit peaky, if I may say so. Have you been on that newsgroup again? Pinkie - They just don't understand - I have to make them understand, it's my mission. It's all about acoustical transparency. They just don't see that in 2004 everything is perfect from mic to speaker. It's all perfect. Perfect. Mrs. P - That man with the frogs, you mean? Has he been annoying you again? Pinkie - Everything has been solved. Amplifiers all sound the same. It's all acoustically transparent from start to finish. From start to finish - acoustically transparent. Mrs. P - You've got some egg on your face, just under your left nostril. No the other side - that's your right nostril. There. That's better. Pinkie - Jim's got the right idea - data, data, data - everything is data. Mrs. P - Ooh look! There's a robin on the lawn. My God - there's a cat after it! Pinkie - In the intimacy of our own home, dearest, you may call me "My Hero"! Mrs. P - Ah that's better, the cat's gone away. Pinkie - They just don't understand me - my passion, my leadership qualities, my importance in the scheme of things. If they'd been there when I won the Second World War single handed with my Spitfire they'd know they were dealing with a real man. They're wimps, all wimps. Mrs. P - wash your hands and I'll come and help you with the crossword when I've done the washing up. (to be continued…) === Andy Evans === Visit our Website:- http://www.artsandmedia.com Audio, music and health pages and interesting links. |
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wrote: Pinkie - Jim's got the right idea - data, data, data - everything is data. If I am the "Jim" you are referring to, then I am afraid that have no recollection of making such a statement as you attribute to me. :-) Indeed, if you think the above represents what I have said, then I fear you may not have understood my meaning(s). Slainte, Jim -- Electronics http://www.st-and.ac.uk/~www_pa/Scot...o/electron.htm Audio Misc http://www.st-and.demon.co.uk/AudioMisc/index.html Armstrong Audio http://www.st-and.demon.co.uk/Audio/armstrong.html Barbirolli Soc. http://www.st-and.demon.co.uk/JBSoc/JBSoc.html |
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"Andy Evans" wrote in message ... Pinkie - Breakfast up, eh? Mrs. P - Now, put that model aeroplane away and wash your hands. You look a bit peaky, if I may say so. Have you been on that newsgroup again? Pinkie - They just don't understand - I have to make them understand, it's my mission. It's all about acoustical transparency. They just don't see that in 2004 everything is perfect from mic to speaker. It's all perfect. Perfect. Mrs. P - That man with the frogs, you mean? Has he been annoying you again? Pinkie - Everything has been solved. Amplifiers all sound the same. It's all acoustically transparent from start to finish. From start to finish - acoustically transparent. Mrs. P - You've got some egg on your face, just under your left nostril. No the other side - that's your right nostril. There. That's better. Pinkie - Jim's got the right idea - data, data, data - everything is data. Mrs. P - Ooh look! There's a robin on the lawn. My God - there's a cat after it! Pinkie - In the intimacy of our own home, dearest, you may call me "My Hero"! Mrs. P - Ah that's better, the cat's gone away. Pinkie - They just don't understand me - my passion, my leadership qualities, my importance in the scheme of things. If they'd been there when I won the Second World War single handed with my Spitfire they'd know they were dealing with a real man. They're wimps, all wimps. Mrs. P - wash your hands and I'll come and help you with the crossword when I've done the washing up. (to be continued.) Andy, that was a hoot and right on the money - if you meant to infer Pinky's Spitfire was only about 6 inches long, that is! (He plays with 'model planes' apparently!! :-) The amusing thing is that one or two of us have imbued him (offlist) in the past with a 'fat, psychotic wife' and, I have to say, it's kinda ****ed up my enjoyment of the PF 'The Wall' DVDV that I've got!! :-) Anyway, I think I'm about done with the clown and it would be good (but not *vital*....) to know that one or two others have also finally got fed up with his never-ending bull****. The very idea that valves and vinyl have no place in an 'audio' newsgroup simply beggars belief. The suggestion that anyone in the UK who enjoys/uses either or both should **** off to a predominently US-centric group to discuss valves is the kind of towering arrogance that, frankly, saddens me to see go unchallenged here for so much of the time. Best of all is that the suggestion that valve (and/or vinyl) users perform some public Act Of Contrition and 'admit their heresy' and all will be forgiven and they will be 'permitted' to discuss either topic if the 'follow the rules'!!! Fekkin' priceless!!! Every hobbyist group or organisation has got a **** like Pinky - when I got into pistol shooting a few years ago, there was a dip**** called 'Prof' (wot else?) who could yap anyone off the table with his 'knowledge' - muzzle velocities, trajectories, terminal velocities, muzzle energy, terminal energy, copper units of pressure, bullet weights, etc. etc. Guess what? - He wouldn't have been able to hit the side of a barn if he was standing inside it! (I don't know how many times I have been reminded of that ****!) There are 3 things mentioned in the Charter for this group as 'off limits': Measurements vs. 'listening' arguments. Valves vs. solid state arguments. Analogue vs. 'digital' arguments. Guess who's got nothing else in his 'armoury'....?? Guess who *never* makes an original/interesting statement or posts anything other than 'replies'....?? Need I say more? ;-) |
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Hello Keith - no satire was intended, of course - just a poignant social
documantary on the metaphor of emotional vs rational thinking. Andy === Andy Evans === Visit our Website:- http://www.artsandmedia.com Audio, music and health pages and interesting links. |
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... Pinkie - Breakfast up, eh? Mrs. P - Now, put that model aeroplane away and wash your hands. You look a bit peaky, if I may say so. Have you been on that newsgroup again? Pinkie - They just don't understand - I have to make them understand, it's my mission. It's all about acoustical transparency. They just don't see that in 2004 everything is perfect from mic to speaker. It's all perfect. Perfect. Mrs. P - That man with the frogs, you mean? Has he been annoying you again? Pinkie - Everything has been solved. Amplifiers all sound the same. It's all acoustically transparent from start to finish. From start to finish - acoustically transparent. Mrs. P - You've got some egg on your face, just under your left nostril. No the other side - that's your right nostril. There. That's better. Pinkie - Jim's got the right idea - data, data, data - everything is data. Mrs. P - Ooh look! There's a robin on the lawn. My God - there's a cat after it! Pinkie - In the intimacy of our own home, dearest, you may call me "My Hero"! Mrs. P - Ah that's better, the cat's gone away. Pinkie - They just don't understand me - my passion, my leadership qualities, my importance in the scheme of things. If they'd been there when I won the Second World War single handed with my Spitfire they'd know they were dealing with a real man. They're wimps, all wimps. Mrs. P - wash your hands and I'll come and help you with the crossword when I've done the washing up. (to be continued.) === Andy Evans === Visit our Website:- http://www.artsandmedia.com Audio, music and health pages and interesting links. Lovely post Andy. Restores a sense of proportion and humour to the ng. It was getting a bit dry and lifeless. Alan |
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On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 13:47:26 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote: The amusing thing is that one or two of us have imbued him (offlist) in the past with a 'fat, psychotic wife' and, I have to say, it's kinda ****ed up my enjoyment of the PF 'The Wall' DVDV that I've got!! :-) Now would be a very good time to walk away from that argument, Garratt. Anyway, I think I'm about done with the clown and it would be good (but not *vital*....) to know that one or two others have also finally got fed up with his never-ending bull****. Unfortunately, you'll find that rational folks understand that the bull**** comes from a quite different origin.............. The very idea that valves and vinyl have no place in an 'audio' newsgroup simply beggars belief. The suggestion that anyone in the UK who enjoys/uses either or both should **** off to a predominently US-centric group to discuss valves is the kind of towering arrogance that, frankly, saddens me to see go unchallenged here for so much of the time. Why would it *not* go unchallenged? And what is 'US-centric' about amplifier design? Don't you guys all bow down before Western Electric toobs? Best of all is that the suggestion that valve (and/or vinyl) users perform some public Act Of Contrition and 'admit their heresy' and all will be forgiven and they will be 'permitted' to discuss either topic if the 'follow the rules'!!! Fekkin' priceless!!! If you wouldn't keep trying to pretend that valves somehow retain something that is lost with SS, that would be a start. Every hobbyist group or organisation has got a **** like Pinky - when I got into pistol shooting a few years ago, there was a dip**** called 'Prof' (wot else?) who could yap anyone off the table with his 'knowledge' - muzzle velocities, trajectories, terminal velocities, muzzle energy, terminal energy, copper units of pressure, bullet weights, etc. etc. Guess what? - He wouldn't have been able to hit the side of a barn if he was standing inside it! (I don't know how many times I have been reminded of that ****!) Actually, the best pistol shot I ever met was a surgeon in Tucson, Arizona. He favoured the Colt 1911, and the club had a target on the wall which he had shot. At 25 yards, he had clipped out a perfect 6" circle with a .45 ACP deckled edge! Interesting guy, always shot in bare feet for better stability. I always wondered if he'd shout "halt" to a real opponent, while he took off his shoes............... There are 3 things mentioned in the Charter for this group as 'off limits': Measurements vs. 'listening' arguments. Valves vs. solid state arguments. Analogue vs. 'digital' arguments. Guess who's got nothing else in his 'armoury'....?? That would be you, would it not? I always use listening tests as the final arbiter of excellence, I always acknowledge that there are a few excellent valve amps around, and I like the sound of analogue artifacts, while understanding that they *are* artifacts. Got any *real* arguments to offer, just this once? Guess who *never* makes an original/interesting statement or posts anything other than 'replies'....?? Need I say more? How about something with some substance? -- Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering |
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"Andy Evans" wrote in message ... Hello Keith - no satire was intended, of course - just a poignant social documantary on the metaphor of emotional vs rational thinking. Andy Naturally - that was perfectly understood! ;-) |
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"Stewart Pinkerton" wrote in message ... On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 13:47:26 +0100, "Keith G" wrote: The amusing thing is that one or two of us have imbued him (offlist) in the past with a 'fat, psychotic wife' and, I have to say, it's kinda ****ed up my enjoyment of the PF 'The Wall' DVDV that I've got!! :-) Now would be a very good time to walk away from that argument, Garratt. Really? Why is that then, Pinkerton? (Walk away? Me? That *would* be a first... ;-) If you want a little 'get-out' before your pudgy little fingertips start writing a cheque your arse can't cash (again), rest assured we trust that your wife isn't actually fat or psychotic - it just goes with the 'image', IYSWIM. (In fact, it is generally agreed that she deserves a medal for a) putting up with your bull**** and b) putting up with those fekkin' dire speakers in the house....!! :-) Anyway, I think I'm about done with the clown and it would be good (but not *vital*....) to know that one or two others have also finally got fed up with his never-ending bull****. Unfortunately, you'll find that rational folks understand that the bull**** comes from a quite different origin.............. That so? The very idea that valves and vinyl have no place in an 'audio' newsgroup simply beggars belief. The suggestion that anyone in the UK who enjoys/uses either or both should **** off to a predominently US-centric group to discuss valves is the kind of towering arrogance that, frankly, saddens me to see go unchallenged here for so much of the time. Why would it *not* go unchallenged? Thankfully, it looks like it is being challenged by one or two who haven't just 'binned' you out of hand as so many do. And what is 'US-centric' about amplifier design? *Group* twister - 'US-centric *group*' as above.... Don't you guys all bow down before Western Electric toobs? ****. Best of all is that the suggestion that valve (and/or vinyl) users perform some public Act Of Contrition and 'admit their heresy' and all will be forgiven and they will be 'permitted' to discuss either topic if the 'follow the rules'!!! Fekkin' priceless!!! If you wouldn't keep trying to pretend that valves somehow retain something that is lost with SS, that would be a start. Oh, but they do... (Rest of the bull**** snipped as I a) don't believe a word of it and b) don't believe a word of it....) |
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"Alan Murphy" wrote in message ... "Andy Evans" wrote in message ... Pinkie - Breakfast up, eh? Mrs. P - Now, put that model aeroplane away and wash your hands. You look a bit peaky, if I may say so. Have you been on that newsgroup again? Pinkie - They just don't understand - I have to make them understand, it's my mission. It's all about acoustical transparency. They just don't see that in 2004 everything is perfect from mic to speaker. It's all perfect. Perfect. Mrs. P - That man with the frogs, you mean? Has he been annoying you again? Pinkie - Everything has been solved. Amplifiers all sound the same. It's all acoustically transparent from start to finish. From start to finish - acoustically transparent. Mrs. P - You've got some egg on your face, just under your left nostril. No the other side - that's your right nostril. There. That's better. Pinkie - Jim's got the right idea - data, data, data - everything is data. Mrs. P - Ooh look! There's a robin on the lawn. My God - there's a cat after it! Pinkie - In the intimacy of our own home, dearest, you may call me "My Hero"! Mrs. P - Ah that's better, the cat's gone away. Pinkie - They just don't understand me - my passion, my leadership qualities, my importance in the scheme of things. If they'd been there when I won the Second World War single handed with my Spitfire they'd know they were dealing with a real man. They're wimps, all wimps. Mrs. P - wash your hands and I'll come and help you with the crossword when I've done the washing up. (to be continued.) === Andy Evans === Visit our Website:- http://www.artsandmedia.com Audio, music and health pages and interesting links. Lovely post Andy. Restores a sense of proportion and humour to the ng. It was getting a bit dry and lifeless. Thanks a bunch! - I'm doing what I can!! ;-) |
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"Stewart Pinkerton" wrote in message ... On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 13:47:26 +0100, "Keith G" wrote: Measurements vs. 'listening' arguments. Valves vs. solid state arguments. Analogue vs. 'digital' arguments. Guess who's got nothing else in his 'armoury'....?? That would be you, would it not? I always use listening tests as the final arbiter of excellence, I always acknowledge that there are a few excellent valve amps around, A few??? Apart from ARC, Prem 8 etc. it would be good to get your comments on some of these manufacturers of valve amplifiers: (& I've left out many of the current amp manufacturers otherwise it will go on & on Audio Note (ok we know already) Audio Research "" "" ) Berning Carver Cary Cochran Convergent Audio CJ (I think we know) Counterpoint SA4 Dynaco Ensemble FM Acoustics Jadis (I can guess) Jovox George Kaye (Nepenthe) Klimo Lazarus Lectron MFA Melos Milbert Music Reference Nestorovic Labs Nobis Pointsource Quad Quicksilver Scientific Fidelity Sheppard Sonic Frontiers Soundtech Tube Research Labs VAC VTL & Manley Verdier Woodside/Radford So few good ones? Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering |
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"Stewart Pinkerton" wrote in message ... On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 13:47:26 +0100, "Keith G" wrote: Measurements vs. 'listening' arguments. Valves vs. solid state arguments. Analogue vs. 'digital' arguments. Guess who's got nothing else in his 'armoury'....?? That would be you, would it not? I always use listening tests as the final arbiter of excellence, I always acknowledge that there are a few excellent valve amps around, A few??? Apart from ARC, Prem 8 etc. it would be good to get your comments on some of these manufacturers of valve amplifiers: (& I've left out many of the current amp manufacturers otherwise it will go on & on Audio Note (ok we know already) Audio Research "" "" ) Berning Carver Cary Cochran Convergent Audio CJ (I think we know) Counterpoint SA4 Dynaco Ensemble FM Acoustics Jadis (I can guess) Jovox George Kaye (Nepenthe) Klimo Lazarus Lectron MFA Melos Milbert Music Reference Nestorovic Labs Nobis Pointsource Quad Quicksilver Scientific Fidelity Sheppard Sonic Frontiers Soundtech Tube Research Labs VAC VTL & Manley Verdier Woodside/Radford Where's Graff ? |
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"Stewart Pinkerton" wrote in message ... On 24 Oct 2004 09:06:32 GMT, ohawker (Andy Evans) wrote: ........ Pilot? Wot a fekkin' twerp!! (About 35 years ago my mate's mum had a Spitfire, but she only *drove* it....) My wifes been in a real one years ago lucky sod no one else flying it these days http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/707095.stm :-( -- Dave xxxx www.davewhitter.myby.co.uk Music is Art - Audio is Engineering Steam is Fun |
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"Dave xxxxx" wrote in message . uk... Mike Gilmour wrote: "Stewart Pinkerton" wrote in message ... On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 13:47:26 +0100, "Keith G" wrote: Measurements vs. 'listening' arguments. Valves vs. solid state arguments. Analogue vs. 'digital' arguments. Guess who's got nothing else in his 'armoury'....?? That would be you, would it not? I always use listening tests as the final arbiter of excellence, I always acknowledge that there are a few excellent valve amps around, A few??? Apart from ARC, Prem 8 etc. it would be good to get your comments on some of these manufacturers of valve amplifiers: (& I've left out many of the current amp manufacturers otherwise it will go on & on Audio Note (ok we know already) Audio Research "" "" ) Berning Carver Cary Cochran Convergent Audio CJ (I think we know) Counterpoint SA4 Dynaco Ensemble FM Acoustics Jadis (I can guess) Jovox George Kaye (Nepenthe) Klimo Lazarus Lectron MFA Melos Milbert Music Reference Nestorovic Labs Nobis Pointsource Quad Quicksilver Scientific Fidelity Sheppard Sonic Frontiers Soundtech Tube Research Labs VAC VTL & Manley Verdier Woodside/Radford Where's Graff ? I did say I'd left loads out Ok start again with Graff then there's T & A from Germany with their new V10 Marantz Not forgetting those Chinese Icon amps BAT Musical Fidelity Atma-sphere AES Unison Wavac (we know already!!!) That's going on 50 amplifier manufacturers for now, producing countless valve power amplifier models and you inform us that there are just a 'few excellent valve amps around' I'm not going to add any comments here as the conclusion is obvious to all. |
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On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 18:32:17 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote: "Stewart Pinkerton" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 13:47:26 +0100, "Keith G" wrote: The amusing thing is that one or two of us have imbued him (offlist) in the past with a 'fat, psychotic wife' and, I have to say, it's kinda ****ed up my enjoyment of the PF 'The Wall' DVDV that I've got!! :-) Now would be a very good time to walk away from that argument, Garratt. Really? Why is that then, Pinkerton? (Walk away? Me? That *would* be a first... ;-) If you want a little 'get-out' before your pudgy little fingertips start writing a cheque your arse can't cash (again), rest assured we trust that your wife isn't actually fat or psychotic - it just goes with the 'image', IYSWIM. (In fact, it is generally agreed that she deserves a medal for a) putting up with your bull**** and b) putting up with those fekkin' dire speakers in the house....!! :-) Apology accepted. But at 6'3" and 13 stone dripping wet, my fingers aren't exactly pudgy! Old and wrinkly, certainly.... :-( Of course, we understand that you have never heard speakers as good as Apogee Duetta Signatures, so we'll just look at your own speakers and chuckle about that one............... OTOH, they're fekkin' *big*, I grant you! Anyway, I think I'm about done with the clown and it would be good (but not *vital*....) to know that one or two others have also finally got fed up with his never-ending bull****. Unfortunately, you'll find that rational folks understand that the bull**** comes from a quite different origin.............. That so? Yes indeed - check any mirror, assuming that some in your house remain uncracked................. The very idea that valves and vinyl have no place in an 'audio' newsgroup simply beggars belief. The suggestion that anyone in the UK who enjoys/uses either or both should **** off to a predominently US-centric group to discuss valves is the kind of towering arrogance that, frankly, saddens me to see go unchallenged here for so much of the time. Why would it *not* go unchallenged? Thankfully, it looks like it is being challenged by one or two who haven't just 'binned' you out of hand as so many do. I see no rational challenges being made. Others, of course, simply can't handle the truth. And what is 'US-centric' about amplifier design? *Group* twister - 'US-centric *group*' as above.... Yes, it's a group about tube amplification. Why is that 'US-centric'?, when the same devices are available everywhere? Do you consider rec-audio.high-end to be 'US-centric'? Good sound is good sound, whether in Boston Lincs or Boston MA. Don't you guys all bow down before Western Electric toobs? ****. Twit. Best of all is that the suggestion that valve (and/or vinyl) users perform some public Act Of Contrition and 'admit their heresy' and all will be forgiven and they will be 'permitted' to discuss either topic if the 'follow the rules'!!! Fekkin' priceless!!! If you wouldn't keep trying to pretend that valves somehow retain something that is lost with SS, that would be a start. Oh, but they do... See what I mean about bull****? -- Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering |
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On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 18:34:31 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote: Come to think of it, I did once pilot a Spitfire, but I must admit it was a mk 3, and its 1300cc engine put out a few less horses than a 27-litre Merlin.............................. Pilot? Wot a fekkin' twerp!! (About 35 years ago my mate's mum had a Spitfire, but she only *drove* it....) I see you had your sense of humour surgically removed, but OTOH I must regrettably inform you that it did leave the ground a couple of times, even cleared a hedge the second time! Ah, the joys of swing-axle rear suspension....................... -- Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering |
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On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 19:08:54 GMT, "Dave xxxxx"
wrote: Mike Gilmour wrote: "Stewart Pinkerton" wrote in message ... On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 13:47:26 +0100, "Keith G" wrote: Measurements vs. 'listening' arguments. Valves vs. solid state arguments. Analogue vs. 'digital' arguments. Guess who's got nothing else in his 'armoury'....?? That would be you, would it not? I always use listening tests as the final arbiter of excellence, I always acknowledge that there are a few excellent valve amps around, A few??? Apart from ARC, Prem 8 etc. it would be good to get your comments on some of these manufacturers of valve amplifiers: (& I've left out many of the current amp manufacturers otherwise it will go on & on Audio Note (ok we know already) - I don't use that kind of language! Audio Research "" "" ) - mostly very good Berning - dunno Carver - crap Cary - seriously crap Cochran - dunno Convergent Audio - dunno CJ (I think we know) - mostly good Counterpoint SA4 - not bad Dynaco - mostly bad Ensemble - dunno FM Acoustics - dunno Jadis (I can guess) - seriously crap Jovox - dunno George Kaye (Nepenthe) - dunno Klimo - dunno Lazarus - dunno Lectron - dunno MFA - dunno Melos - preamps are excellent Milbert - dunno Music Reference - dunno Nestorovic Labs - dodgy Nobis - dunno Pointsource - dunno Quad - overpriced retro rubbish, trading on reputation Quicksilver - decent for valves but not great in general terms Scientific Fidelity - never heard of 'em, but a dumb name for a valve amp maker Sheppard - overpriced retro rubbish, trading on reputation Sonic Frontiers - good premps Soundtech - overpriced retro rubbish, trading on reputation Tube Research Labs - there ain't no such thing.......... VAC - dunno VTL & Manley - good rep, never heard them Verdier - dunno Woodside/Radford - overpriced retro rubbish, trading on reputation Where's Graff ? And how could any serious valvey have left out Nagra? -- Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering |
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"Mike Gilmour" wrote in message ... "Stewart Pinkerton" wrote in message ... On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 13:47:26 +0100, "Keith G" wrote: Measurements vs. 'listening' arguments. Valves vs. solid state arguments. Analogue vs. 'digital' arguments. Guess who's got nothing else in his 'armoury'....?? That would be you, would it not? I always use listening tests as the final arbiter of excellence, I always acknowledge that there are a few excellent valve amps around, A few??? Apart from ARC, Prem 8 etc. it would be good to get your comments on some of these manufacturers of valve amplifiers: (& I've left out many of the current amp manufacturers otherwise it will go on & on Audio Note (ok we know already) Audio Research "" "" ) Berning Carver Cary Cochran Convergent Audio CJ (I think we know) Counterpoint SA4 Dynaco Ensemble FM Acoustics Jadis (I can guess) Jovox George Kaye (Nepenthe) Klimo Lazarus Lectron MFA Melos Milbert Music Reference Nestorovic Labs Nobis Pointsource Quad Quicksilver Scientific Fidelity Sheppard Sonic Frontiers Soundtech Tube Research Labs VAC VTL & Manley Verdier Woodside/Radford So few good ones? Audio Innovations, Beard - budget by tube standards but surely a place in the 'excellent' rating? Rob |
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wrote: [snip list] Where's Graff ? I recorgnise a number of the names that were in the initial list. However I'm not sure about 'Graff'. There was a valve amp reviewed in the hifi mags some while ago, and my (unreliable) recollection is that it had an output impedance of over an Ohm, and distortion levels over 1 percent and was a 'Graff' product. Is this correct? That's going on 50 amplifier manufacturers for now, producing countless valve power amplifier models and you inform us that there are just a 'few excellent valve amps around' I'm not going to add any comments here as the conclusion is obvious to all. Well the only "obvious conclusion" I could draw from a list of names is that the numer anyone decided was "excellent" would depend upon the definition they decided to use for that term... Particularly as it was a list of brand names rather than models with relevant information. Slainte, Jim -- Electronics http://www.st-and.ac.uk/~www_pa/Scot...o/electron.htm Audio Misc http://www.st-and.demon.co.uk/AudioMisc/index.html Armstrong Audio http://www.st-and.demon.co.uk/Audio/armstrong.html Barbirolli Soc. http://www.st-and.demon.co.uk/JBSoc/JBSoc.html |
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"Stewart Pinkerton" wrote in message ... On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 19:08:54 GMT, "Dave xxxxx" wrote: Mike Gilmour wrote: "Stewart Pinkerton" wrote in message ... On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 13:47:26 +0100, "Keith G" wrote: Measurements vs. 'listening' arguments. Valves vs. solid state arguments. Analogue vs. 'digital' arguments. Guess who's got nothing else in his 'armoury'....?? That would be you, would it not? I always use listening tests as the final arbiter of excellence, I always acknowledge that there are a few excellent valve amps around, A few??? Apart from ARC, Prem 8 etc. it would be good to get your comments on some of these manufacturers of valve amplifiers: (& I've left out many of the current amp manufacturers otherwise it will go on & on Audio Note (ok we know already) - I don't use that kind of language! Audio Research "" "" ) - mostly very good Berning - dunno Carver - crap Cary - seriously crap Cochran - dunno Convergent Audio - dunno CJ (I think we know) - mostly good Counterpoint SA4 - not bad Dynaco - mostly bad Ensemble - dunno FM Acoustics - dunno Jadis (I can guess) - seriously crap Jovox - dunno George Kaye (Nepenthe) - dunno Klimo - dunno Lazarus - dunno Lectron - dunno MFA - dunno Melos - preamps are excellent Milbert - dunno Music Reference - dunno Nestorovic Labs - dodgy Nobis - dunno Pointsource - dunno Quad - overpriced retro rubbish, trading on reputation Quicksilver - decent for valves but not great in general terms Scientific Fidelity - never heard of 'em, but a dumb name for a valve amp maker Sheppard - overpriced retro rubbish, trading on reputation Sonic Frontiers - good premps Soundtech - overpriced retro rubbish, trading on reputation Tube Research Labs - there ain't no such thing.......... VAC - dunno VTL & Manley - good rep, never heard them Verdier - dunno Woodside/Radford - overpriced retro rubbish, trading on reputation Where's Graff ? And how could any serious valvey have left out Nagra? -- Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering I mentioned Nagra in a previous post to you in your long and inexplicable attacks on valve amplifiers so I'd expected you to at least remember that. So while other folk are still providing further manufacturers names but you are still avoiding an answer - am I surprised? No, because you always trot out the same few makes and say they sound exactly like solid state. Do they really???? - I've heard the Prem 8's & there is also a past owner in the group. Time to fess up - you really don't know what you're talking about do you? |
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"Stewart Pinkerton" wrote in message ... On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 19:08:54 GMT, "Dave xxxxx" wrote: Mike Gilmour wrote: "Stewart Pinkerton" wrote in message ... On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 13:47:26 +0100, "Keith G" wrote: Tube Research Labs - there ain't no such thing.......... Really Mr Pinkerton know all. Any Serious valvies would know about the King of valves Tube Research Labs: Models GTPR800 1600W $60,000.00 GTR800 1600W $45,000.00 GT400 Platinum Ed. 800W pentode GT400 TR300 Again not Richer Sounds stuff - where obviously you do most of your listening. Maybe you should get out a lot more (in your spitfire perhaps) Bwhaaaaaahaha. |
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Pinkie - They just don't understand me - my passion, my leadership qualities, my importance in the scheme of things. If they'd been there when I won the Second World War single handed with my Spitfire they'd know they were dealing with a real man. They're wimps, all wimps. Mrs. P - wash your hands and I'll come and help you with the crossword when I've done the washing up. (to be continued.) === Andy Evans === Visit our Website:- http://www.artsandmedia.com No that can't be right Andy. SP couldn't have been a Spitfire pilot. They had valve electronics :-)))) Iain |
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"Keith G" wrote in message ... Andy, that was a hoot and right on the money - if you meant to infer Pinky's Spitfire was only about 6 inches long, that is! (He plays with 'model planes' apparently!! :-) Anyway, I think I'm about done with the clown and it would be good (but not *vital*....) to know that one or two others have also finally got fed up with his never-ending bull****. Hi Keith. What a pity that such an interesting thread has turned into a brawl. I am sure if we were all sitting round a table in face to face discussion, that each of us would behave like a perfect gentleman. NG's seem to bring out the worst in people:-(( The very idea that valves and vinyl have no place in an 'audio' newsgroup simply beggars belief. Agreed. The suggestion that anyone in the UK who enjoys/uses either or both should **** off to a predominently US-centric group to discuss valves is the kind of towering arrogance that, frankly, saddens me to see go unchallenged here for so much of the time. RAT is a good group. I have been a member for a very long time. Oddly enough, one rarely sees the words "Bull****" or "Asshole" written there, which leads me to wonder if these are the vocabularly of the SS experts:-)) After all, it is just a matter of personal taste, and a crusade to convert the heathens is pointless. It is an interesting fact that valve audio was all but extinct in the late 70's, all of the 80's and most of the 90's. So a whole generation of listeners (I avoid the word audiophiles) had grown up not knowing or having heard a valve amp. Then, suddenly "glow in the dark" began to gain popularity, and is now going from strength to strength. What does that tell us? High end valve audio contains a lot of iron, and is very expensive. I don't believe there is any hype, it is simply that many people think that valve amplifiers sound better. This something that SP just cannot accept. He may like his Honda Civic. I prefer my Armstrong Siddeley:-)) Iain |
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"Stewart Pinkerton" wrote in message ... On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 19:08:54 GMT, "Dave xxxxx" wrote: Mike Gilmour wrote: "Stewart Pinkerton" wrote in message ... On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 13:47:26 +0100, "Keith G" wrote: Measurements vs. 'listening' arguments. Valves vs. solid state arguments. Analogue vs. 'digital' arguments. Guess who's got nothing else in his 'armoury'....?? That would be you, would it not? I always use listening tests as the final arbiter of excellence, I always acknowledge that there are a few excellent valve amps around, A few??? Apart from ARC, Prem 8 etc. it would be good to get your comments on some of these manufacturers of valve amplifiers: (& I've left out many of the current amp manufacturers otherwise it will go on & on Audio Note (ok we know already) - I don't use that kind of language! Audio Research "" "" ) - mostly very good Berning - dunno Carver - crap Cary - seriously crap Cochran - dunno Convergent Audio - dunno CJ (I think we know) - mostly good Counterpoint SA4 - not bad Dynaco - mostly bad Ensemble - dunno FM Acoustics - dunno Jadis (I can guess) - seriously crap Jovox - dunno George Kaye (Nepenthe) - dunno Klimo - dunno Lazarus - dunno Lectron - dunno MFA - dunno Melos - preamps are excellent Milbert - dunno Music Reference - dunno Nestorovic Labs - dodgy Nobis - dunno Pointsource - dunno Quad - overpriced retro rubbish, trading on reputation Quicksilver - decent for valves but not great in general terms Scientific Fidelity - never heard of 'em, but a dumb name for a valve amp maker Sheppard - overpriced retro rubbish, trading on reputation Sonic Frontiers - good premps Soundtech - overpriced retro rubbish, trading on reputation Tube Research Labs - there ain't no such thing.......... VAC - dunno VTL & Manley - good rep, never heard them Verdier - dunno Woodside/Radford - overpriced retro rubbish, trading on reputation Where's Graff ? And how could any serious valvey have left out Nagra? Or McIntosh, plus the host of small custom builders. But Radford - overpriced retro rubbish? Pistols at dawn, Sir!! I am pretty sure you have never even heard an STA100. They were built for professional use, and as far as I know you don't qualify:-)) Iain |
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"Iain M Churches" wrote in message ... "Stewart Pinkerton" wrote in message ... On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 19:08:54 GMT, "Dave xxxxx" wrote: Mike Gilmour wrote: "Stewart Pinkerton" wrote in message ... On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 13:47:26 +0100, "Keith G" wrote: Measurements vs. 'listening' arguments. Valves vs. solid state arguments. Analogue vs. 'digital' arguments. Guess who's got nothing else in his 'armoury'....?? That would be you, would it not? I always use listening tests as the final arbiter of excellence, I always acknowledge that there are a few excellent valve amps around, A few??? Apart from ARC, Prem 8 etc. it would be good to get your comments on some of these manufacturers of valve amplifiers: (& I've left out many of the current amp manufacturers otherwise it will go on & on Audio Note (ok we know already) - I don't use that kind of language! Audio Research "" "" ) - mostly very good Berning - dunno Carver - crap Cary - seriously crap Cochran - dunno Convergent Audio - dunno CJ (I think we know) - mostly good Counterpoint SA4 - not bad Dynaco - mostly bad Ensemble - dunno FM Acoustics - dunno Jadis (I can guess) - seriously crap Jovox - dunno George Kaye (Nepenthe) - dunno Klimo - dunno Lazarus - dunno Lectron - dunno MFA - dunno Melos - preamps are excellent Milbert - dunno Music Reference - dunno Nestorovic Labs - dodgy Nobis - dunno Pointsource - dunno Quad - overpriced retro rubbish, trading on reputation Quicksilver - decent for valves but not great in general terms Scientific Fidelity - never heard of 'em, but a dumb name for a valve amp maker Sheppard - overpriced retro rubbish, trading on reputation Sonic Frontiers - good premps Soundtech - overpriced retro rubbish, trading on reputation Tube Research Labs - there ain't no such thing.......... VAC - dunno VTL & Manley - good rep, never heard them Verdier - dunno Woodside/Radford - overpriced retro rubbish, trading on reputation Where's Graff ? And how could any serious valvey have left out Nagra? Or McIntosh, plus the host of small custom builders. But Radford - overpriced retro rubbish? Pistols at dawn, Sir!! I am pretty sure you have never even heard an STA100. They were built for professional use, and as far as I know you don't qualify:-)) Iain Iain That list was spur of the moment, all through the day other makes keep coming to mind. I even missed Beard out and I've got a P100 sitting in a box by the computer :-) I agree with you about Radford. Mike |
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"Iain M Churches" wrote in message ... "Keith G" wrote in message ... Andy, that was a hoot and right on the money - if you meant to infer Pinky's Spitfire was only about 6 inches long, that is! (He plays with 'model planes' apparently!! :-) Anyway, I think I'm about done with the clown and it would be good (but not *vital*....) to know that one or two others have also finally got fed up with his never-ending bull****. Hi Keith. What a pity that such an interesting thread has turned into a brawl. I am sure if we were all sitting round a table in face to face discussion, that each of us would behave like a perfect gentleman. NG's seem to bring out the worst in people:-(( The very idea that valves and vinyl have no place in an 'audio' newsgroup simply beggars belief. Agreed. The suggestion that anyone in the UK who enjoys/uses either or both should **** off to a predominently US-centric group to discuss valves is the kind of towering arrogance that, frankly, saddens me to see go unchallenged here for so much of the time. RAT is a good group. I have been a member for a very long time. Oddly enough, one rarely sees the words "Bull****" or "Asshole" written there, which leads me to wonder if these are the vocabularly of the SS experts:-)) After all, it is just a matter of personal taste, and a crusade to convert the heathens is pointless. It is an interesting fact that valve audio was all but extinct in the late 70's, all of the 80's and most of the 90's. So a whole generation of listeners (I avoid the word audiophiles) had grown up not knowing or having heard a valve amp. Then, suddenly "glow in the dark" began to gain popularity, and is now going from strength to strength. What does that tell us? High end valve audio contains a lot of iron, and is very expensive. I don't believe there is any hype, it is simply that many people think that valve amplifiers sound better. This something that SP just cannot accept. He may like his Honda Civic. I prefer my Armstrong Siddeley:-)) Iain Usenet bandwidth alert! Pleeze don't start Pinkers on about cars!!!.. ZZZzzzzzz |
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"Stewart Pinkerton" wrote in message ... On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 18:32:17 +0100, "Keith G" wrote: "Stewart Pinkerton" wrote in message . .. On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 13:47:26 +0100, "Keith G" wrote: The amusing thing is that one or two of us have imbued him (offlist) in the past with a 'fat, psychotic wife' and, I have to say, it's kinda ****ed up my enjoyment of the PF 'The Wall' DVDV that I've got!! :-) Now would be a very good time to walk away from that argument, Garratt. Really? Why is that then, Pinkerton? (Walk away? Me? That *would* be a first... ;-) If you want a little 'get-out' before your pudgy little fingertips start writing a cheque your arse can't cash (again), rest assured we trust that your wife isn't actually fat or psychotic - it just goes with the 'image', IYSWIM. (In fact, it is generally agreed that she deserves a medal for a) putting up with your bull**** and b) putting up with those fekkin' dire speakers in the house....!! :-) Apology accepted. Apology? Wot apology? I don't doubt it would make you happy (deserately so) to twist an 'apology' out of my words, but let me assure you no 'apology' to *you* was implied - I merely didn't want to implicate your wife in the *excellent* image of a Scottish Gob****e bully-boy as prtrayed by Pink Floyd, like I said. I'll give you another little 'get-out' - let's say the fat and psychotic female in your life is that big bird at work you are so obviously scared of, eh? (Clue: When pricks like you start chucking phrases like 'pussy-whipped' about, you are telling us more about yourself than your 'CV' ever will.... ;-) Now STFU unless you blag yourself into hole you can't get out of. But at 6'3" and 13 stone dripping wet, my fingers aren't exactly pudgy! Old and wrinkly, certainly.... :-( Woss all this crap - are you trying to *intimidate* me or summat??? :-)) Lemme help you out here - I'm 5 inches shorter than you, weigh a tad more than 13 stone and I ain't pudgy *anywhere*, OK?? OK, now that I've remembered it, I'll relieve you of the task of coming up with some humour to alleviate the situation (your SOP...): A month or few ago, I was watching LOTR on my son's (then) newly-acquired projector - the 'Helm's Deep' (?) battle scene where the old fart with the bow ****s out and accidentally looses of the the first arrow that sparked off the battle. After a minute or two, I said 'Oh dear, anybody in LOTR remind you of me?' Quick as a flash, my son (*not* given to complimenting anyone much) said 'Gimli'....!! Now, will that do you....?? ;-) rest of the crap snipped |
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"Mike Gilmour" wrote in message ... "Stewart Pinkerton" wrote in message ... On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 19:08:54 GMT, "Dave xxxxx" wrote: Mike Gilmour wrote: "Stewart Pinkerton" wrote in message ... On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 13:47:26 +0100, "Keith G" wrote: Tube Research Labs - there ain't no such thing.......... Really Mr Pinkerton know all. Any Serious valvies would know about the King of valves Tube Research Labs: Models GTPR800 1600W $60,000.00 GTR800 1600W $45,000.00 GT400 Platinum Ed. 800W pentode GT400 TR300 Again not Richer Sounds stuff - where obviously you do most of your listening. Maybe you should get out a lot more (in your spitfire perhaps) Bwhaaaaaahaha. :-) Mike, I don't claim all these sites will point to 'good' valve amps (whatever TF that is - I've never heard a bad one...) but if you or anyone else wants an idea of just how many organisations are involved with valve gear they could click up and down on the many *hundreds* of links in this directory: http://www.worldtubeaudio.com/directory/directory.htm (Just work up and down the alphabet! ;-) I don't *know* but I wouldn't be surprised if there weren't *many* more manufacturers of valve gear than ss in the world today...?? |
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"Iain M Churches" wrote in message ... "Keith G" wrote in message ... Andy, that was a hoot and right on the money - if you meant to infer Pinky's Spitfire was only about 6 inches long, that is! (He plays with 'model planes' apparently!! :-) Anyway, I think I'm about done with the clown and it would be good (but not *vital*....) to know that one or two others have also finally got fed up with his never-ending bull****. Hi Keith. What a pity that such an interesting thread has turned into a brawl. I am sure if we were all sitting round a table in face to face discussion, that each of us would behave like a perfect gentleman. NG's seem to bring out the worst in people:-(( Hi Iain, it ain't NGs per se, it's the few, gobby, self-appointed 'moderators' that try to control the content of an NG that cause the problems. Pains and embarrasses me to find my self trading invective with certain individuals, but's the only language they seem to understand. The very idea that valves and vinyl have no place in an 'audio' newsgroup simply beggars belief. Agreed. The suggestion that anyone in the UK who enjoys/uses either or both should **** off to a predominently US-centric group to discuss valves is the kind of towering arrogance that, frankly, saddens me to see go unchallenged here for so much of the time. RAT is a good group. I have been a member for a very long time. Oddly enough, one rarely sees the words "Bull****" or "Asshole" written there, which leads me to wonder if these are the vocabularly of the SS experts:-)) To be honest, I find/found RAT to be a bit smug and clicky, also the vast majority of the content of that group is hardly relevant to the UK valve scene. They aren't *entirely* without their 'factions' either, I found....??? After all, it is just a matter of personal taste, and a crusade to convert the heathens is pointless. It is an interesting fact that valve audio was all but extinct in the late 70's, all of the 80's and most of the 90's. So a whole generation of listeners (I avoid the word audiophiles) had grown up not knowing or having heard a valve amp. Then, suddenly "glow in the dark" began to gain popularity, and is now going from strength to strength. What does that tell us? High end valve audio contains a lot of iron, and is very expensive. I don't believe there is any hype, it is simply that many people think that valve amplifiers sound better. This something that SP just cannot accept. He may like his Honda Civic. I prefer my Armstrong Siddeley:-)) Oh yes, now you're talking! Wot fabulous cars they are/were! :-) (Jeez, even I could take an interest in cars if I had one of them!) |
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"Dave xxxxx" wrote in message k... Keith G wrote: "Stewart Pinkerton" wrote in message ... On 24 Oct 2004 09:06:32 GMT, ohawker (Andy Evans) wrote: ....... Pilot? Wot a fekkin' twerp!! (About 35 years ago my mate's mum had a Spitfire, but she only *drove* it....) My wifes been in a real one years ago lucky sod no one else flying it these days http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/707095.stm :-( That's a sad loss of both life and a fabulous plane |
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"Iain M Churches" wrote in message ... Pinkie - They just don't understand me - my passion, my leadership qualities, my importance in the scheme of things. If they'd been there when I won the Second World War single handed with my Spitfire they'd know they were dealing with a real man. They're wimps, all wimps. Mrs. P - wash your hands and I'll come and help you with the crossword when I've done the washing up. (to be continued.) === Andy Evans === Visit our Website:- http://www.artsandmedia.com No that can't be right Andy. SP couldn't have been a Spitfire pilot. They had valve electronics :-)))) So did Migs until *very* recently (and maybe still do, I dunno)...... |
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I am pretty sure you have never even heard an STA100.
I'm pretty sure you haven't heard a 3 way active system with STA15, STA25 and STA100! One of my brother's old systems. Speakers were stacked Quad 57s with Decca ribbons, and two ATC12" subwoofers in 9cu ft cabs. It was about as awesone as it was space consuming. He got a girlfriend and it vanished within days. Great things, girlfriends. === Andy Evans === Visit our Website:- http://www.artsandmedia.com Audio, music and health pages and interesting links. |
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RAT is a good group. I have been a member for a very long time. Oddly
enough, one rarely sees the words "Bull****" or "Asshole" written there I've lost track of the language between Phil Allison and Patrick Turner - I haven't read their posts for months! Then there were the great days of Andre Jute! We could haul out a few gems. The group has really gone dull recently - I think a few migrated to DIY audio, and the rest are in the Asylum where I hang out. === Andy Evans === Visit our Website:- http://www.artsandmedia.com Audio, music and health pages and interesting links. |
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On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 09:51:30 +0100, "Mike Gilmour"
wrote: "Stewart Pinkerton" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 19:08:54 GMT, "Dave xxxxx" wrote: Mike Gilmour wrote: "Stewart Pinkerton" wrote in message ... On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 13:47:26 +0100, "Keith G" wrote: Tube Research Labs - there ain't no such thing.......... Really Mr Pinkerton know all. Any Serious valvies would know about the King of valves Tube Research Labs: Models GTPR800 1600W $60,000.00 GTR800 1600W $45,000.00 GT400 Platinum Ed. 800W pentode GT400 TR300 Again not Richer Sounds stuff - where obviously you do most of your listening. Since you've seen my page on Keith's site, I'll just smile at that one. Obviously, I'm not a 'serious valvie', and my point was that no one has had such an exotic beast as a 'tube research lab' for about fifty years. That would be rather akin to a buggy whip research lab. It's called progress......................... -- Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering |
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On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 15:43:12 +0300, "Iain M Churches"
wrote: "Stewart Pinkerton" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 19:08:54 GMT, "Dave xxxxx" wrote: Mike Gilmour wrote: "Stewart Pinkerton" wrote in message ... On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 13:47:26 +0100, "Keith G" wrote: Measurements vs. 'listening' arguments. Valves vs. solid state arguments. Analogue vs. 'digital' arguments. Guess who's got nothing else in his 'armoury'....?? That would be you, would it not? I always use listening tests as the final arbiter of excellence, I always acknowledge that there are a few excellent valve amps around, A few??? Apart from ARC, Prem 8 etc. it would be good to get your comments on some of these manufacturers of valve amplifiers: (& I've left out many of the current amp manufacturers otherwise it will go on & on Audio Note (ok we know already) - I don't use that kind of language! Audio Research "" "" ) - mostly very good Berning - dunno Carver - crap Cary - seriously crap Cochran - dunno Convergent Audio - dunno CJ (I think we know) - mostly good Counterpoint SA4 - not bad Dynaco - mostly bad Ensemble - dunno FM Acoustics - dunno Jadis (I can guess) - seriously crap Jovox - dunno George Kaye (Nepenthe) - dunno Klimo - dunno Lazarus - dunno Lectron - dunno MFA - dunno Melos - preamps are excellent Milbert - dunno Music Reference - dunno Nestorovic Labs - dodgy Nobis - dunno Pointsource - dunno Quad - overpriced retro rubbish, trading on reputation Quicksilver - decent for valves but not great in general terms Scientific Fidelity - never heard of 'em, but a dumb name for a valve amp maker Sheppard - overpriced retro rubbish, trading on reputation Sonic Frontiers - good premps Soundtech - overpriced retro rubbish, trading on reputation Tube Research Labs - there ain't no such thing.......... VAC - dunno VTL & Manley - good rep, never heard them Verdier - dunno Woodside/Radford - overpriced retro rubbish, trading on reputation Where's Graff ? And how could any serious valvey have left out Nagra? Or McIntosh, plus the host of small custom builders. Whoops - yes indeed, shame on me! But Radford - overpriced retro rubbish? Pistols at dawn, Sir!! If you're challenging, I'll take swords, thanks. I am pretty sure you have never even heard an STA100. They were built for professional use, and as far as I know you don't qualify:-)) Indeed it's true that I'm not prematurely deaf, and I was referring to the modern units. Back in the '60s when the STA 15/25/100 were *new* models, they were of reference quality. We do however have this thing called progress, and any decent modern 100 watt SS amp will totally outclass the STA 100, especially into the typical 3-6ohm modern loudspeaker. -- Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering |
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On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 08:57:44 +0100, Jim Lesurf
wrote: In article , Mike Gilmour wrote: [snip list] Where's Graff ? I recorgnise a number of the names that were in the initial list. However I'm not sure about 'Graff'. He means Graaf, an Italian maker. I would have included Unison Research, another Italian maker. There was a valve amp reviewed in the hifi mags some while ago, and my (unreliable) recollection is that it had an output impedance of over an Ohm, and distortion levels over 1 percent and was a 'Graff' product. Is this correct? Quite likely. That's going on 50 amplifier manufacturers for now, producing countless valve power amplifier models and you inform us that there are just a 'few excellent valve amps around' Yup, since most of those you listed are severely limited by comparison to any decent 500 quid SS amp, hence not 'excellent' by any reasonable standard. I'm not going to add any comments here as the conclusion is obvious to all. Well the only "obvious conclusion" I could draw from a list of names is that the numer anyone decided was "excellent" would depend upon the definition they decided to use for that term... Particularly as it was a list of brand names rather than models with relevant information. Quite so.............. -- Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering |
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"Andy Evans" wrote in message ... RAT is a good group. I've lost track of the language between Phil Allison and Patrick Turner - I haven't read their posts for months! Then there were the great days of Andre Jute! We could haul out a few gems. The group has really gone dull recently - I think a few migrated to DIY audio, and the rest are in the Asylum where I hang out. Yes of course there were/are factions. (Andre is back by the way, having been paid a seven figure settlement by the Magnaquest Mob!!) He is probably counting in Italian Lira:-) But the level of expertise seems to be higher on RAT, and less character bashing. Maybe that's because owning and operating a valve system is a more "hands on" experience. I know of several clever, well informed audio people who watch this group, but do not take part for fear of the flaming they might receive. That's a great pity because it deprives us all of their knowledge. What can be done? Iain |
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