"Keith G" wrote in message


Blx - meant to say this deck is what got me into acrylic platters. The
platter on an LPT1 was *completely machined* from acrylic sheet (at
hideous cost, apparently) for perfect balance - not just punched out
of a sheet.

The idea that 12" disks would be punched out of a sheet of acrylic is
complete ********. They'd either be molded from resin or machined. Acrylic
in likely thicknesses can't be punched - it will shatter along the edge.

Once you have used an acrylic platter you won't want
anything else - there's something so damned 'sympatico' about them -
and I don't mean in a 'technobabble' way (compatible resonances etc.)...

So far we've been told that the holy grail in turntable platters is either
glass or plexiglass. These are very different materials. The fact that the
parameters of a 100 year old technology can't be nailed down any better
then this is indicative of how much ******** rules the world of vinyl
playback engineering.

"Arny Krueger" said:

So far we've been told that the holy grail in turntable platters is either
glass or plexiglass. These are very different materials. The fact that the
parameters of a 100 year old technology can't be nailed down any better
then this is indicative of how much ******** rules the world of vinyl
playback engineering.

Hi Arnold!
Always nice to see an instructive post by a well-informed and
knowledgeable audio expert ;-)

--
Sander de Waal
" SOA of a KT88? Sufficient. "

Sander deWaal said:

So far we've been told that the holy grail in turntable platters is either
glass or plexiglass. These are very different materials. The fact that the
parameters of a 100 year old technology can't be nailed down any better
then this is indicative of how much ******** rules the world of vinyl
playback engineering.

Hi Arnold!
Always nice to see an instructive post by a well-informed and
knowledgeable audio expert ;-)

Funny, that sound like a bit of a sermon to me.

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Arny Krueger wrote:
So far we've been told that the holy grail in turntable platters is
either glass or plexiglass. These are very different materials. The
fact that the parameters of a 100 year old technology can't be nailed
down any better then this is indicative of how much ******** rules the
world of vinyl playback engineering.

A disc with a pickup resting on it acts rather like the diaphragm of a
microphone. Anyone who ever had a Transcriptors's design will be well
aware of this.;-)

So it seems only common sense to me that the disc must be isolated from
vibration of any sort - either structure or air borne. Including those
from the speakers. This must involve some form of heavy cover to the
entire turntable assembly.

--
*Consciousness: That annoying time between naps.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

"RPS" wrote in message


Newbie wrote:

Friends have suggeted Spendor, Proac and Dynaudio.

Lesser-known in the US, better-known in Europe.

Those are well known names by now but I remember when each was news to
me and I suspected the salesman was trying to pull some trick.

Anyway, does anybody know any unknown / less well known speaker brands
that are of equal or better quality and much better value (ie, less
expensive) than these?

Given that many consumer loudspeaker brands include several models that
pretend to be recording studio monitors, consider learning about the real
thing. In many cases the real thing costs no more, and can easily outperform
the imitations.

Brands of true-and-genuine recording studio monitors:

Mackie, KRK, JBL Pro, Alesis, Tannoy, Dynaudio, Behringer, Event, M-Audio,
NHT Pro, Samson, Roland, Tapco, Nady, ART, Fostex, Yamaha Pro, Wharfdale,
Fostex.... Note that this is an inclusive list, not a list of speakers that
all equally merit serious consideration.

Many of these speakers include power amps, providing a convenient way to
build a minimalized system.

Based on recent listening evaluations, the bang-for-buck leader in studio
monitors could easily be the Behringer B2031A. They would make very gutsy
but nice-sounding speaker/amplifiers for use with a computer system and/or
CD player.

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"Arny Krueger" wrote:

"RPS" wrote in message


Newbie wrote:

Friends have suggeted Spendor, Proac and Dynaudio.

Lesser-known in the US, better-known in Europe.

Those are well known names by now but I remember when each was news to
me and I suspected the salesman was trying to pull some trick.

Anyway, does anybody know any unknown / less well known speaker brands
that are of equal or better quality and much better value (ie, less
expensive) than these?

Given that many consumer loudspeaker brands include several models that
pretend to be recording studio monitors, consider learning about the real
thing. In many cases the real thing costs no more, and can easily outperform
the imitations.

Brands of true-and-genuine recording studio monitors:

Mackie, KRK, JBL Pro, Alesis, Tannoy, Dynaudio, Behringer, Event, M-Audio,
NHT Pro, Samson, Roland, Tapco, Nady, ART, Fostex, Yamaha Pro, Wharfdale,
Fostex.... Note that this is an inclusive list, not a list of speakers that
all equally merit serious consideration.

Many of these speakers include power amps, providing a convenient way to
build a minimalized system.

Based on recent listening evaluations, the bang-for-buck leader in studio
monitors could easily be the Behringer B2031A. They would make very gutsy
but nice-sounding speaker/amplifiers for use with a computer system and/or
CD player.

Studio monitors would be a bad choice for the OP. He wants a
floorstander roughly equivalent to his KEF 104s and prefers classical
music. Monitors are often meant for tabletop positioning and have
frequency responses bumps to exaggerate recording/production flaws.

One exception (of many) would be the BBC monitors available in the UK by
various makers: Rogers, etc.

Stephen

Nick Gorham wrote:

: Having been away from audio for a long time, I am now looking to
: upgrade from KEF 104ab, an speaker, probably similar to Spendor and
: Rogers models. I would prefer a floorstander, but not much larger
: footprint than my present speakers (ie, no Quads or Maggies). This is
: for 2-channel stereo, not home theater.
:
:
: Please suggest suitable brands and models. Friends have suggeted
: Spendor, Proac and Dynaudio. However, I am confused by various "series"
: within a brands (don't recall that happening when I shopped last time
: but could just be my faulty memory!), eg, should I be looking at
: Contour or something else in dynaudio?

: I may have missed it, but have you given any idea of a budget ?

No. I have plenty of money, but I am not determined to spend it. I
could say 5K, but I would like to spend less and can spend more. Part
of it is to determine where the best value is, that would be noticeable
improvement upon my KEF's for least amount of money.

Arny Krueger wrote:

Mackie, KRK, JBL Pro, Alesis, Tannoy, Dynaudio, Behringer, Event, M-Audio,
NHT Pro, Samson, Roland, Tapco, Nady, ART, Fostex, Yamaha Pro, Wharfdale,
Fostex.... Note that this is an inclusive list, not a list of speakers that
all equally merit serious consideration.

Many of these speakers include power amps, providing a convenient way to
build a minimalized system.

Based on recent listening evaluations, the bang-for-buck leader in studio
monitors could easily be the Behringer B2031A. They would make very gutsy
but nice-sounding speaker/amplifiers for use with a computer system and/or
CD player.

Those do look interesting. I like my JBL 4408s, but most people don't
have $650 to spend on a pair of speakers for their bedroom. The JBL
4200 series is pretty simmilar to these, though.

MINe 109 wrote:

Studio monitors would be a bad choice for the OP. He wants a
floorstander roughly equivalent to his KEF 104s and prefers classical
music. Monitors are often meant for tabletop positioning and have
frequency responses bumps to exaggerate recording/production flaws.

Honestly, he's going to have to look really really hard to find
a better speaker than his 104s. He might look into large planars
or move to full-range electrostatics.

RPS wrote:
Newbie wrote:

: Friends have suggeted Spendor, Proac and Dynaudio.

Those are well known names by now but I remember when each was news to
me and I suspected the salesman was trying to pull some trick.

Anyway, does anybody know any unknown / less well known speaker brands
that are of equal or better quality and much better value (ie, less
expensive) than these?

RPS

Based on Triangle drivers :
http://www.waterfallaudio.com/indexhtm.html

An interesting drivers manufacturer :
http://www.atohm.com/index.php
I have the occasion to hear these ones, very nice, very clean, very nice
spatial reproduction :
http://www.atohm.com/enceintes.php?enceintes_ref=4
they should be available as kit.