The main reason valves & vinyl is better...
 

Is because I ****ING SAY SO!

I gotta be outta here 30 minutes ago, so I'll be *real* brief:

I'm getting a bit hacked off with being branded the bad guy here by people
who have either not been board for than a few minutes (and therefore have no
damn clue) or have got selective vision and/or choose to ignore the *many*
times I have said:

I have a nearly 50/50 split of valve and SS amps
I have 12,500 MP3s and listen to them as background music
We (most of 'em ain't mine) have 300+ CDs here and listen to a few of them
when we want to (which isn't very often to be honest).
I like and listen to vinyl rips on CDR on a routine basis
I have no problem with anyone who can't stand either valves or vinyl
I have no problem with anyone who a) prefers SS/CD or b) thinks SS/CD is/are
better
Valves are not for everyone.
And similar other remarks along the same lines.


I am also getting fed up with being told what wording or language is
*permissible* here and I find the accusations that *I'm* being nasty to that
'nice Mr P' here too ****ing ridiculous for words!! So, to thin the monkeys
out of this group (which will reduce contention, so no bad thing) I'll say
it again:

VALVES AND VINYL ARE BETTER THAN SS/CD. END OF.

*ANYONE* who takes issue with me over this here will be SUMMARILY BINNED -
no exceptions. So, if you want *off* my Christmas Card list, let's be
hearing from you and get the **** off my windscreen, once and for all.
Unlike *some* I don't subscribe here for unending 'venomous' argument.....

(Not having the balls to reply here won't necessarily mean a few of you
ain't headed for the ****ter in any case - there's a few in there already
and I fekkin' *love* it!!)

So, let's be 'avin' ewe....

The main reason valves & vinyl is better...
 

The main reason valves & vinyl is better is because I ****ING SAY SO!

My approach is more academic. I throw a coin up, heads for valve, tails for ss.
If it comes down tails, I throw the coin up again.

=== Andy Evans ===
Visit our Website:- http://www.artsandmedia.com
Audio, music and health pages and interesting links.

The main reason valves & vinyl is better...
 

On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 15:41:52 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:

Is because I ****ING SAY SO!

I gotta be outta here 30 minutes ago, so I'll be *real* brief:

I'm getting a bit hacked off with being branded the bad guy here by people
who have either not been board for than a few minutes (and therefore have no
damn clue) or have got selective vision and/or choose to ignore the *many*
times I have said:

I have a nearly 50/50 split of valve and SS amps
I have 12,500 MP3s and listen to them as background music
We (most of 'em ain't mine) have 300+ CDs here and listen to a few of them
when we want to (which isn't very often to be honest).
I like and listen to vinyl rips on CDR on a routine basis
I have no problem with anyone who can't stand either valves or vinyl
I have no problem with anyone who a) prefers SS/CD or b) thinks SS/CD is/are
better
Valves are not for everyone.
And similar other remarks along the same lines.


I am also getting fed up with being told what wording or language is
*permissible* here and I find the accusations that *I'm* being nasty to that
'nice Mr P' here too ****ing ridiculous for words!! So, to thin the monkeys
out of this group (which will reduce contention, so no bad thing) I'll say
it again:

VALVES AND VINYL ARE BETTER THAN SS/CD. END OF.

*ANYONE* who takes issue with me over this here will be SUMMARILY BINNED -
no exceptions. So, if you want *off* my Christmas Card list, let's be
hearing from you and get the **** off my windscreen, once and for all.
Unlike *some* I don't subscribe here for unending 'venomous' argument.....

(Not having the balls to reply here won't necessarily mean a few of you
ain't headed for the ****ter in any case - there's a few in there already
and I fekkin' *love* it!!)

So, let's be 'avin' ewe....




Keith I really think posts like this are unacceptable displays of
unpleasantness. If you can't stand the heat, just get out of the
kitchen - don't try and throw everybody else out - unless you really
believe that this is your kitchen, that is.

Turning red and stamping and telling everybody you don't like that you
wont talk to them any more really isn't going to fix anything.

You have a nice UK vinyl group of your own where you can go and
promote it to your heart's content if you feel this strongly. Now do
try and be nice - it is nearly Christmas.

d
Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

The main reason valves & vinyl is better...
 

Keith G wrote:
Is because I ****ING SAY SO!


(Not having the balls to reply here won't necessarily mean a few of
you ain't headed for the ****ter in any case - there's a few in there
already and I fekkin' *love* it!!)

So, let's be 'avin' ewe....

Here here



--
Dave xxxx
www.davewhitter.myby.co.uk

Music is Art - Audio is Engineering
Steam is Fun

The main reason valves & vinyl is better...
 

Hmm


bad hair day eh?


"Keith G" wrote in message
...
Is because I ****ING SAY SO!

I gotta be outta here 30 minutes ago, so I'll be *real* brief:

I'm getting a bit hacked off with being branded the bad guy here by people
who have either not been board for than a few minutes (and therefore have
no
damn clue) or have got selective vision and/or choose to ignore the *many*
times I have said:

I have a nearly 50/50 split of valve and SS amps
I have 12,500 MP3s and listen to them as background music
We (most of 'em ain't mine) have 300+ CDs here and listen to a few of them
when we want to (which isn't very often to be honest).
I like and listen to vinyl rips on CDR on a routine basis
I have no problem with anyone who can't stand either valves or vinyl
I have no problem with anyone who a) prefers SS/CD or b) thinks SS/CD
is/are
better
Valves are not for everyone.
And similar other remarks along the same lines.


I am also getting fed up with being told what wording or language is
*permissible* here and I find the accusations that *I'm* being nasty to
that
'nice Mr P' here too ****ing ridiculous for words!! So, to thin the
monkeys
out of this group (which will reduce contention, so no bad thing) I'll say
it again:

VALVES AND VINYL ARE BETTER THAN SS/CD. END OF.

*ANYONE* who takes issue with me over this here will be SUMMARILY BINNED -
no exceptions. So, if you want *off* my Christmas Card list, let's be
hearing from you and get the **** off my windscreen, once and for all.
Unlike *some* I don't subscribe here for unending 'venomous' argument.....

(Not having the balls to reply here won't necessarily mean a few of you
ain't headed for the ****ter in any case - there's a few in there already
and I fekkin' *love* it!!)

So, let's be 'avin' ewe....

The main reason valves & vinyl is better...
 

In article ,
Don Pearce wrote:
Keith I really think posts like this are unacceptable displays of
unpleasantness. If you can't stand the heat, just get out of the
kitchen - don't try and throw everybody else out - unless you really
believe that this is your kitchen, that is.

I'm afraid he does consider it his newsgroup and his mission in life to
convert everyone to his 'flat earth' views. I had him killfiled, but he's
just changed his address slightly to get round this (I can only assume as
it's not the first time), but one click gets rid of him again.

Unfortunately, he posts so much I still get to see much of it in quotes.
Can't think of a way round that...

--
*Time is the best teacher; unfortunately it kills all its students.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

The main reason valves & vinyl is better...
 

On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 17:35:06 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

In article ,
Don Pearce wrote:
Keith I really think posts like this are unacceptable displays of
unpleasantness. If you can't stand the heat, just get out of the
kitchen - don't try and throw everybody else out - unless you really
believe that this is your kitchen, that is.

I'm afraid he does consider it his newsgroup and his mission in life to
convert everyone to his 'flat earth' views. I had him killfiled, but he's
just changed his address slightly to get round this (I can only assume as
it's not the first time), but one click gets rid of him again.

Unfortunately, he posts so much I still get to see much of it in quotes.
Can't think of a way round that...

I'm not a fan of killfiles, but I'm headed rapidly to making an
exception in his case - he is simply downright offensive most of the
time now.

d
Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

The main reason valves & vinyl is better...
 

"Don Pearce" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 15:41:52 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:

Is because I ****ING SAY SO!

I gotta be outta here 30 minutes ago, so I'll be *real* brief:

I'm getting a bit hacked off with being branded the bad guy here by people
who have either not been board for than a few minutes (and therefore have
no
damn clue) or have got selective vision and/or choose to ignore the *many*
times I have said:

I have a nearly 50/50 split of valve and SS amps
I have 12,500 MP3s and listen to them as background music
We (most of 'em ain't mine) have 300+ CDs here and listen to a few of them
when we want to (which isn't very often to be honest).
I like and listen to vinyl rips on CDR on a routine basis
I have no problem with anyone who can't stand either valves or vinyl
I have no problem with anyone who a) prefers SS/CD or b) thinks SS/CD
is/are
better
Valves are not for everyone.
And similar other remarks along the same lines.


I am also getting fed up with being told what wording or language is
*permissible* here and I find the accusations that *I'm* being nasty to
that
'nice Mr P' here too ****ing ridiculous for words!! So, to thin the
monkeys
out of this group (which will reduce contention, so no bad thing) I'll say
it again:

VALVES AND VINYL ARE BETTER THAN SS/CD. END OF.

*ANYONE* who takes issue with me over this here will be SUMMARILY BINNED -
no exceptions. So, if you want *off* my Christmas Card list, let's be
hearing from you and get the **** off my windscreen, once and for all.
Unlike *some* I don't subscribe here for unending 'venomous' argument.....

(Not having the balls to reply here won't necessarily mean a few of you
ain't headed for the ****ter in any case - there's a few in there already
and I fekkin' *love* it!!)

So, let's be 'avin' ewe....




Keith I really think posts like this are unacceptable displays of
unpleasantness. If you can't stand the heat, just get out of the
kitchen - don't try and throw everybody else out - unless you really
believe that this is your kitchen, that is.


No, but you obviously think it's *yours*.

But, sorrry to say Donald McRonald, I'm not actually too interested in what
you think and I'm certainly not going to take *instruction* from you.


Turning red and stamping and telling everybody you don't like that you
wont talk to them any more really isn't going to fix anything.


Oh yes it will - it means I don't have to deal with people who bring nothing
into my 'audio world' but censorship, criticism and judgement or try to
regulate my thinking......


You have a nice UK vinyl group of your own


Hmmm, kinda sums your views up a bit, dunnit?


where you can go and
promote it to your heart's content if you feel this strongly. Now do
try and be nice - it is nearly Christmas.


Tell you what Don, just the *once* try posting something new and original
(like *start* a thread) instead of sitting in judgement on others. Take a
leaf out of Pinky's book - he did it only the other day (unless I dreamt
that)...???

Now, binned as promised and I suggest you bin me (should have suggested that
in the original post!!) - no arse, no hardship, just not in each others
faces any more.

Nice.

:-)

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Keith G wrote:

VALVES AND VINYL ARE BETTER THAN SS/CD. END OF.

'so ner'.

*ANYONE* who takes issue with me over this here will be SUMMARILY BINNED -
no exceptions.

Cant you justput yourself in the bin and spare us?

The main reason valves & vinyl is better...
 

"Andy Evans" wrote in message
...
The main reason valves & vinyl is better is because I ****ING SAY SO!

My approach is more academic. I throw a coin up, heads for valve, tails
for ss.
If it comes down tails, I throw the coin up again.


:-)

(Not binned! :-)

The main reason valves & vinyl is better...
 

fredbloggs wrote:

bad hair day eh?

In a Lon Chaney Jr. manner of speaking.
It was a full moon last night.

--
Eiron.

The main reason valves & vinyl is better...
 

"fredbloggs" wrote in message
...


Hmm


bad hair day eh?


OK, not binned, but who are you?

All this 'digi**** tyranny' (and possible my own 'dogged resistance' a
*leetle* bit..?? ;-) has silenced a lot of people here for far too long.
Let's see some posts from you, OK?

Start summat like this...

Vinyl is good.
CDs are bad.
Valves are good.
SS is bad.

.....and we'll get on just *fine*!! :-)

(OK, OK, just joking - you can say what you damn well like. It's when/if you
start trying to tell me what I may or may not say here we'll have problems!
;-)

(Not binned! :-)

The main reason valves & vinyl is better...
 

"Ian Molton" wrote in message
...
Keith G wrote:

VALVES AND VINYL ARE BETTER THAN SS/CD. END OF.

'so ner'.

*ANYONE* who takes issue with me over this here will be SUMMARILY
BINNED - no exceptions.

Cant you justput yourself in the bin and spare us?


Well, maybe I'll oblige you fairly soon but (believe it or not) one or two
*far* more interesting people than you (offlist) have urged me not to.
Incredible to you as it may seem, they actually outnumber the people who
have lined up for a binning *so far*...!!!???

All you have to do my little Molto Piacevole (Ma Non Troppo) is bin *me* and
we're out of each other's hair. Easy, innit?? :-)

Ooh, just one last word - if you spot a glaring error in anyone's posts in
the future, just ask yourself if it might be a little 'joke' before you gun
them down!!!

;-)

So long.

The main reason valves & vinyl is better...
 

"Dave xxxxx" wrote in message
. ..
Keith G wrote:
Is because I ****ING SAY SO!


(Not having the balls to reply here won't necessarily mean a few of
you ain't headed for the ****ter in any case - there's a few in there
already and I fekkin' *love* it!!)

So, let's be 'avin' ewe....

Here here


Good ole Dave - the only loony in here whackier than me! :-)

(Bought anything today? - No? OK, don't worry, you can buy *two* things
tomorrow!! ;-)

(*Definitely* not binned!)

The main reason valves & vinyl is better...
 

Keith G wrote:
"Dave xxxxx" wrote in message
Keith G wrote:
Is because I ****ING SAY SO!


(Not having the balls to reply here won't necessarily mean a few of
you ain't headed for the ****ter in any case - there's a few in
there already and I fekkin' *love* it!!)

So, let's be 'avin' ewe....

Here here


Good ole Dave - the only loony in here whackier than me! :-)

(Bought anything today? - No? OK, don't worry, you can buy *two*
things tomorrow!! ;-)

(*Definitely* not binned!)

er yes bought a Croft Vitale
http://www.davewhitter.pwp.blueyonde...sc_pre_amp.htm

The other day and getting a couple of there power amps built for my
collection has some nice new ones out

In fact when my next power amp is ready and I go to collect it, the dealers
taking mr for lunch :-)

Also thinking of ordering a
http://www.eminentaudio.co.uk/Instru...ar/Neostar.htm

its a bit different

going to have an extension built one room for storing all the stuff and the
other big enough to use two or three set ups at once


Got to talk wife into it :-)

The main reason valves & vinyl is better...
 

In message , Dave xxxxx
writes
Keith G wrote:
Is because I ****ING SAY SO!


(Not having the balls to reply here won't necessarily mean a few of
you ain't headed for the ****ter in any case - there's a few in there
already and I fekkin' *love* it!!)

So, let's be 'avin' ewe....

Here here



--
Dave xxxx
www.davewhitter.myby.co.uk

Music is Art - Audio is Engineering
Steam is Fun



Could someone tell those of us who speak English what 'Here Here' means?
I assume the poor uneducated chap means 'Hear Hear'.
--
Chris Morriss

The main reason valves & vinyl is better...
 

"Keith G" wrote in message
...
Is because I ****ING SAY SO!

(huge Snip)

Keith! Have you been at the cooking sherry again? :-=))))

Iain

The main reason valves & vinyl is better...
 

Chris Morriss wrote:
In

Could someone tell those of us who speak English what 'Here Here'
means? I assume the poor uneducated chap means 'Hear Hear'.

Having problems with the "English"language which might not be my first, but
some people always thinks is everyones first .does not make me uneducated

But the inability to think things through before posting does make you a
dick head

D Whitter B.Sc. LRPS ABIPP

The main reason valves & vinyl is better...
 

"Dave xxxxx" wrote


(Bought anything today? - No? OK, don't worry, you can buy *two*
things tomorrow!! ;-)

(*Definitely* not binned!)

er yes bought a Croft Vitale
http://www.davewhitter.pwp.blueyonde...sc_pre_amp.htm

The other day and getting a couple of there power amps built for my
collection has some nice new ones out


Not a million miles out then! (Feck me, I just *knew* it!! :-)

Those Vitale pre's are the *dogs danglers* and cheap as chips, I know that.
I can't believe I never got one myself - I won't ever now as I would/mebbe
will build a pre myself (despite knowing ****-all about electronix and not
being am Injun Ear myself, an' all.... ;-)

IIRC, they have separate Vol controls for each channel which utterly
confounds the Yanks, I gather. (No surprise there...!!) Gives a you a nice
bit of 'balnce control' to square a (sonically) wonky room. Also there are
'silent settings' on the IS, I believe so you dont blow your brains out
switching between sources?? All clever stuff.


In fact when my next power amp is ready and I go to collect it, the
dealers
taking mr for lunch :-)


Taking you for lunch - he should send you and yours on a bloody cruise!!


Also thinking of ordering a
http://www.eminentaudio.co.uk/Instru...ar/Neostar.htm

its a bit different

Yes, and very much of the 'components are all' school of thought, no?

Bags of pix, when you get the bits and bobs, if you don't mind - you know
the drill! Anyway, fekkin' good luck to ya - if a few more people in here
got as much out of their kit as you do, it would be a lot happier all round!


going to have an extension built one room for storing all the stuff and
the
other big enough to use two or three set ups at once


Tell me about it - 'Space, the final frontier'....!!! (Azittappens, I run 3
valve setups all the time and am waiting for another amp to get a fourth on
the go! :-)



Got to talk wife into it :-)


Just slap that bitch's face..... ;-)

The main reason valves & vinyl is better...
 

"Iain M Churches" wrote in message
...

"Keith G" wrote in message
...
Is because I ****ING SAY SO!

(huge Snip)

Keith! Have you been at the cooking sherry again? :-=))))


Nope (I'm totally tea, azittapens) it's called a 'wake up call'....!!! ;-)

The main reason valves & vinyl is better...
 

"Dave xxxxx" wrote
Chris Morriss wrote:
In

Could someone tell those of us who speak English what 'Here Here'
means? I assume the poor uneducated chap means 'Hear Hear'.

Having problems with the "English"language which might not be my first, but
some people always thinks is everyones first .does not make me uneducated

But the inability to think things through before posting does make you a
dick head

D Whitter B.Sc. LRPS ABIPP

Out of curiosity, isn't it your first then? What is?


Martin
--
M.A.Poyser Tel.: 07967 110890
Manchester, U.K. http://www.fleetie.demon.co.uk

The main reason valves & vinyl is better...
 

Fleetie wrote:


Out of curiosity, isn't it your first then? What is?


Martin


Swahili

The main reason valves & vinyl is better...
 

In message , Dave xxxxx
writes
Chris Morriss wrote:
In

Could someone tell those of us who speak English what 'Here Here'
means? I assume the poor uneducated chap means 'Hear Hear'.

Having problems with the "English"language which might not be my first, but
some people always thinks is everyones first .does not make me uneducated

But the inability to think things through before posting does make you a
dick head

D Whitter B.Sc. LRPS ABIPP



After more than a century of compulsory schooling, and our beloved
leaders mantra of 'education education education'; the awesome level of
ignorance in what passes among the Yahoos as learning never fails to
impress.
--
Chris Morriss

The main reason valves & vinyl is better...
 

Keith G wrote:
"Dave xxxxx" wrote


(Bought anything today? - No? OK, don't worry, you can buy *two*
things tomorrow!! ;-)

(*Definitely* not binned!)

er yes bought a Croft Vitale
http://www.davewhitter.pwp.blueyonde...sc_pre_amp.htm

The other day and getting a couple of there power amps built for my
collection has some nice new ones out


Not a million miles out then! (Feck me, I just *knew* it!! :-)

Those Vitale pre's are the *dogs danglers* and cheap as chips, I know
that. I can't believe I never got one myself - I won't ever now as I
would/mebbe will build a pre myself (despite knowing ****-all about
electronix and not being am Injun Ear myself, an' all.... ;-)

IIRC, they have separate Vol controls for each channel which utterly
confounds the Yanks, I gather. (No surprise there...!!) Gives a you a
nice bit of 'balnce control' to square a (sonically) wonky room. Also
there are 'silent settings' on the IS, I believe so you dont blow
your brains out switching between sources?? All clever stuff.

Them volume controls are hard to use, drives me mad some times

Some people sell up after a bit, as they never get use to them


If I am good next year, as I can not get new car, still banned due to a
couple of mini strokes will be able to splash out a bit.

Nice CD player Naim Wadia or Krell could be on the way to my collection or

this pre amp no idea what to use it with just like it :-)
http://www.eminentaudio.co.uk/Instru...ut/Absolut.htm

price below take heart pills before looking

Dave




















12k

The main reason valves & vinyl is better...
 

Chris Morriss wrote: or got someone to do it for him

; the awesome level
of ignorance in what passes among the Yahoos as learning never fails
to impress.


"Yahoos" like that :-)

The main reason valves & vinyl is better...
 

GHOTI

=== Andy Evans ===
Visit our Website:- http://www.artsandmedia.com
Audio, music and health pages and interesting links.

The main reason valves & vinyl is better...
 

In message , Dave xxxxx
writes
Chris Morriss wrote: or got someone to do it for him

; the awesome level
of ignorance in what passes among the Yahoos as learning never fails
to impress.


"Yahoos" like that :-)





A reader of Swift I see!
--
Chris Morriss

The main reason valves & vinyl is better...
 

"Don Pearce" wrote in message


Keith I really think posts like this are unacceptable displays of
unpleasantness. If you can't stand the heat, just get out of the
kitchen - don't try and throw everybody else out - unless you really
believe that this is your kitchen, that is.

Turning red and stamping and telling everybody you don't like that you
wont talk to them any more really isn't going to fix anything.

You have a nice UK vinyl group of your own where you can go and
promote it to your heart's content if you feel this strongly. Now do
try and be nice - it is nearly Christmas.

The UKRAV debacle mades it very clear that vinyl and tubes don't sound good
at all to these guys unless they have more mainstream types to flaunt their
bigotry in front of.

The main reason valves & vinyl is better...
 

: GHOTI
:
: === Andy Evans ===
: Visit our Website:- http://www.artsandmedia.com
: Audio, music and health pages and interesting links.

Sounds fishy to me;-)

Read a fine book on this;-
(see www.headline.co.uk)
==
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John Man
ISBN: 0747264473 Publisher: Headline 3/5/2001
£6.99 RRP Paperback
An alphabet is a system for organising and recording thought and the
very earliest letters, which demonstrate this ('a' was the first sound
of the Semitic word for 'ox', 'b' for 'house'), are still with us,
virtually unchanged across the millennia. And while the western world
today is divided by languages, it remains largely united by alphabet.
Where these letters came from and how they have evolved over the years
is more than just an academic exercise. John Man's ALPHA BETA tells a
thrilling story of adventure, passion and intrigue.
==

The main reason valves & vinyl is better...
 

Is because I ****ING SAY SO!

I totally agree.

It's the height of arrogance and incredibly ignorant to assume that you
*know* that another person's perception of a subjective issue is wrong.

No one can claim to speak for an experience which they have not lived. You
are not me, therefore you cannot with any respectability, tell me that my
choice of hifi, cable, source - anything that I have chosen as preferable -
is wrong.

In matters of taste, no one can arbitrate what is right or wrong without
exposing themselves to charges of "pompous, arrogant ****" - hence my hifi
is better than yours :oP

The main reason valves & vinyl is better...
 

Keith G wrote:
"Iain M Churches" wrote in message
...

"Keith G" wrote in message
...

Is because I ****ING SAY SO!


(huge Snip)

Keith! Have you been at the cooking sherry again? :-=))))



Nope (I'm totally tea, azittapens) it's called a 'wake up call'....!!! ;-)






Maybe I am missing something here, but there seems to be two camps, both
trying to claim ownership of the word better (well three at least, as
valve and vinyl are not together for all). But the problem seems to be
no one has talked about what they are better AT.

We have one group of people, who tend (understandably, to be from the
pro audio world) who argue that the better amplifier is one that has the
least effect on the signal, other than making it bigger (or changing it
from a voltage to a current source, anyway). And its easy to see why
this is a good thing, especially for use in monitoring situations. And
they argue (with merit) that they think this should also be the goal for
home use as well. I don't think that anyone on the NG would argue that
its unlikely for a valve amplifier to measure as well as a SS one.

The same goes for CD, it can be shown that the format is more than
adequate for audio reproduction, and the bandwidth and resolution is
more than good enough to produce on their outputs a analogue of what
went into the production of the CD.

Then we have the other group, that argue, that the better amplifier is
the one, that allows the ear/mind to recreate the illusion of the
original performance (cos thats all it is a illusion, there is no
performer there, its just a few things moving, and so moving the air).
In this group (And I place myself in there as well), the use of valves,
in some way (and Andy has expressed this better than I can) allows this
illusion to be much more convincing.

And again the same can be said for vinyl, I much prefer listening to
vinyl, and think (as others such as Keith do), that the resultant sound
is more engaging, and produces a stronger effect of "being there". but I
don't for one minute think that in absolute terms the incredibly crude
process of playing vinyl will provide anywhere as electrically accurate
reproduction of the originally signal.

I think valves and vinyl are better than CD and SS, thats just my
thought, doesn't mean anything much, certainly doesn't mean anyone else
is wrong, and doesn't mean my "better" is better (or even the same) than
someone else "better". So I think that objecting to the use of the term
better doesn't work anymore than saying its ok to have a preference.

Can't we just agree to differ, I know, silly idea....

Anyway, I should stop reading this group and go and listen to my nice
new Kontrapunct cartridge, through my work in progress 211 SET, (Yes
Keith you win, I did give in and change from the GM70's).

--
Nick

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Hi,

In message , Dave xxxxx
writes

er yes bought a Croft Vitale
http://www.davewhitter.pwp.blueyonde...sc_pre_amp.htm

The other day and getting a couple of there power amps built for my
collection has some nice new ones out

In fact when my next power amp is ready and I go to collect it, the dealers
taking mr for lunch :-)

Also thinking of ordering a
http://www.eminentaudio.co.uk/Instru...ar/Neostar.htm

its a bit different

going to have an extension built one room for storing all the stuff and the
other big enough to use two or three set ups at once


Got to talk wife into it :-)

Wrong way around, Dave. You build the extension for your wife. Paint it
pink, put lots of cushions in there and a big mirror (and a wardrobe
that can hold about 100 pairs of shoes). Then move SWMBO in to the
extension, and you've got the whole of the rest of the house for your
toys. Easy.

--
Regards,
Glenn Booth

The main reason valves & vinyl is better...
 

Then move SWMBO in to the extension, and you've got the whole of the rest of
the house for your toys. Easy.

If you want to be one of the 2,347 spin doctors in the current Labour govt.
you'll have to hurry up before Michael Howard abolishes them...............
Andy

=== Andy Evans ===
Visit our Website:- http://www.artsandmedia.com
Audio, music and health pages and interesting links.

The main reason valves & vinyl is better...
 

In article ,
Andy Evans wrote:
If you want to be one of the 2,347 spin doctors in the current Labour
govt. you'll have to hurry up before Michael Howard abolishes
them...............

To be replaced with 2,348 of his own, but called consultants so the
figures don't show up as public employees. And he'll sack loads of other
civil service paying them large amounts of redundancy and replace them
with contract workers on a higher salary for exactly the same reason.

Michael Howard for PM? Makes John Major strangely attractive...

--
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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

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On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 22:53:41 +0100, Nick Gorham wrote:

I think valves and vinyl are better than CD and SS, thats just my thought,
doesn't mean anything much, certainly doesn't mean anyone else is wrong,
and doesn't mean my "better" is better (or even the same) than someone
else "better". So I think that objecting to the use of the term better
doesn't work anymore than saying its ok to have a preference.

Can't we just agree to differ, I know, silly idea....


Nicely said, Nick.
I like valves cos they light up - and, for me, its more fun to build valve
amps than s/s. Sitting here, I have a NAD 3020, a pair of Crimson 530
monoblocks, a Quad 33/303 system and a home-built SE triode-connected 6L6
"power" amp (must be almost 2 watts out of its cheap "music-centre"
OPTs...) and at the moment I prefer the latter! My musical appreciation is
probably distorted by the fact that I built it. ;-)

Sometimes I prefer CD as the source - its more convenient -
and sometimes I prefer vinyl for the sound (my vinyl source is better than
my CD player). There is definitely room for both.

Personally, I don't mind whether my amp has a flat response etc so long as
it sounds ok to me... :-)

--
Mick
(no M$ software on here... :-) )
Web: http://www.nascom.info

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On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 15:41:52 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:

Is because I ****ING SAY SO!

Argued with your usual wit and brilliance.........

--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

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On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 15:41:52 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:

Is because I ****ING SAY SO!

I gotta be outta here 30 minutes ago, so I'll be *real* brief:

I'm getting a bit hacked off with being branded the bad guy here by people
who have either not been board for than a few minutes (and therefore have no
damn clue)

Hmmm, you'd expect them to be the most unbiased, wouldn't you?

--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

The main reason valves & vinyl is better...
 

Hi,

In message , Andy Evans
writes
Then move SWMBO in to the extension, and you've got the whole of the rest of
the house for your toys. Easy.

If you want to be one of the 2,347 spin doctors in the current Labour govt.
you'll have to hurry up before Michael Howard abolishes them...............
Andy

Not a chance. I'd rather saw my legs off with a rusty razor than be
associated with any of the mainstream political parties. Billy Connolly
had it right - "The very desire to be a politician should bar you
forever from being one". ;-)


--
Regards,
Glenn Booth

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On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 15:41:52 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:

I am also getting fed up with being told what wording or language is
*permissible* here and I find the accusations that *I'm* being nasty to that
'nice Mr P' here too ****ing ridiculous for words!!

I guess people just respond to what they see, eh Keith? :-)

--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

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On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 15:41:52 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:

Is because I ****ING SAY SO!

snip usual ********

VALVES AND VINYL ARE BETTER THAN SS/CD. END OF.

*ANYONE* who takes issue with me over this here will be SUMMARILY BINNED -
no exceptions.

Nice to see that you're as receptive to reasoned debate as always.....

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Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering