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Old November 2nd 04, 05:50 PM posted to uk.rec.audio
Dan Abnormal
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Does anyone know if there's much difference between VDH The Bay and D
102 MkIII cables, both highly rated by the hifi press? I've just
bought a Cyrus system and wonder whether it would be worth upgrading
from The Bay interconnects, which sound a little 'thin' now. Or would
Cyrus' own interconnects be better?

For info, I need to connect CD player to integtrated amp and
integrated to power amp.

Thanks.
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Old November 2nd 04, 06:44 PM posted to uk.rec.audio
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Dan Abnormal wrote:

I've just
bought a Cyrus system and wonder whether it would be worth upgrading
from The Bay interconnects, which sound a little 'thin' now.


How do you know that the interconnects sound thin?


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Old November 2nd 04, 08:07 PM posted to uk.rec.audio
Dave xxxxx
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Dan Abnormal wrote:
Does anyone know if there's much difference between VDH The Bay and D
102 MkIII cables, both highly rated by the hifi press? I've just
bought a Cyrus system and wonder whether it would be worth upgrading
from The Bay interconnects, which sound a little 'thin' now. Or would
Cyrus' own interconnects be better?

For info, I need to connect CD player to integtrated amp and
integrated to power amp.

Thanks.



http://www.vandenhul.com/cable/sbox-icM.htm

Have a good look here





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Old November 2nd 04, 10:36 PM posted to uk.rec.audio
Dave Plowman (News)
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In article ,
Dan Abnormal wrote:
I've just bought a Cyrus system and wonder whether it would be worth
upgrading from The Bay interconnects, which sound a little 'thin' now.
Or would Cyrus' own interconnects be better?


For a piece of co-ax a couple of feet long or so to remove some of the
bass - which is what sounding thin means - would be quite an achievement.
Unless, of course there's been a small series capacitor added somewhere.

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Old November 3rd 04, 03:09 AM posted to uk.rec.audio
Rich.Andrews
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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in
:

In article ,
Dan Abnormal wrote:
I've just bought a Cyrus system and wonder whether it would be worth
upgrading from The Bay interconnects, which sound a little 'thin' now.
Or would Cyrus' own interconnects be better?


For a piece of co-ax a couple of feet long or so to remove some of the
bass - which is what sounding thin means - would be quite an achievement.
Unless, of course there's been a small series capacitor added somewhere.


Or possibly a resistor from the center conductor to ground.

r


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Old November 3rd 04, 08:35 AM posted to uk.rec.audio
Dave Plowman (News)
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In article ,
Rich.Andrews wrote:
For a piece of co-ax a couple of feet long or so to remove some of the
bass - which is what sounding thin means - would be quite an
achievement. Unless, of course there's been a small series capacitor
added somewhere.


Or possibly a resistor from the center conductor to ground.


Considering the low output impedance of well designed equipment, more like
a short? ;-)

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Old November 3rd 04, 06:19 PM posted to uk.rec.audio
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On Tue, 02 Nov 2004 19:44:33 +0000, Wally wrote:

Dan Abnormal wrote:

I've just
bought a Cyrus system and wonder whether it would be worth upgrading
from The Bay interconnects, which sound a little 'thin' now.


How do you know that the interconnects sound thin?


Measure the OD of one channel of the interconnect using a pair of external
callipers. Anything less than 4mm dia is thin... ;-)

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Old November 4th 04, 01:51 AM posted to uk.rec.audio
Rich.Andrews
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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in
:

In article ,
Rich.Andrews wrote:
For a piece of co-ax a couple of feet long or so to remove some of
the bass - which is what sounding thin means - would be quite an
achievement. Unless, of course there's been a small series capacitor
added somewhere.


Or possibly a resistor from the center conductor to ground.


Considering the low output impedance of well designed equipment, more
like a short? ;-)


There is some equipment that is well designed but designed to drive a high
impedance load. In cases like that, loading it down with 600 ohms instead
of something like 50k ohms will result in a roll off of low frequencies.

r


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Old November 4th 04, 08:40 AM posted to uk.rec.audio
Dave Plowman (News)
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In article ,
Rich.Andrews wrote:
For a piece of co-ax a couple of feet long or so to remove some of
the bass - which is what sounding thin means - would be quite an
achievement. Unless, of course there's been a small series capacitor
added somewhere.


Or possibly a resistor from the center conductor to ground.


Considering the low output impedance of well designed equipment, more
like a short? ;-)


There is some equipment that is well designed but designed to drive a
high impedance load. In cases like that, loading it down with 600 ohms
instead of something like 50k ohms will result in a roll off of low
frequencies.


In which case changing the interconnect will make not a scrap of
difference.

Have you got any examples of domestic equipment with an 600 ohm input
impedance?

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Old November 4th 04, 08:48 AM posted to uk.rec.audio
Jim Lesurf
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In article ,
Rich.Andrews
wrote:
"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in
:



Considering the low output impedance of well designed equipment, more
like a short? ;-)


There is some equipment that is well designed but designed to drive a
high impedance load. In cases like that, loading it down with 600 ohms
instead of something like 50k ohms will result in a roll off of low
frequencies.


I'm not sure if things have changed. However the normal assumption for
domestic audio sources in the 1970's and 1980's was that the source (CD
player, Tuner, etc) should work as per spec into loads down to 10kOhm in
parallel with 1000 pF. The assumption being that any preamp input would
have an impedance that was this, or higher.

So far as I know, 600 Ohm input impedance would be unusual in domestic
equipment. Although I think some items may use it with balanced inputs. If
so, I'd assume the source would then be expected to use a matching output.

Hence in domestic practice. I would assume that having a 600 Ohm load on a
normal single-ended output would be unusual and not recommended.

Slainte,

Jim

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