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Non-ES speakers closest to electrostatic sound?



 
 
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Old November 6th 04, 11:14 PM posted to uk.rec.audio
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Old November 5th 04, 01:02 PM posted to rec.audio.opinion,uk.rec.audio,rec.audio.pro,rec.audio.tech
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"Alex" wrote in message

For those audiophiles who'd like to own a Quad 988 but lack the
budget, or the room, or both, which of the non-ES speakers come
closest to that magical electrostatic sound?


IOW, a wannabe speaker?

Rule of thumb - you get better results when you seek things that are true to
their own identity.


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Old November 5th 04, 06:37 PM posted to rec.audio.opinion,uk.rec.audio,rec.audio.pro,rec.audio.tech
Alex
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Arny Krueger wrote:

: For those audiophiles who'd like to own a Quad 988 but lack the
: budget, or the room, or both, which of the non-ES speakers come
: closest to that magical electrostatic sound?
:
: IOW, a wannabe speaker?
:
: Rule of thumb - you get better results when you seek things that are
: true to their own identity.

Well, I love the sound of Quads but they just won't fit into my small
living room. They are simply too wide. I need a conventional "tower"
speaker. Which one(s) would you recommend?
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Old November 5th 04, 09:55 PM posted to rec.audio.opinion,uk.rec.audio,rec.audio.pro,rec.audio.tech
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Default Non-ES speakers closest to electrostatic sound?

In article , Alex wrote:
Arny Krueger wrote:
Well, I love the sound of Quads but they just won't fit into my small
living room. They are simply too wide. I need a conventional "tower"
speaker. Which one(s) would you recommend?


If you have a small room you do not want a "conventional tower"

Look at horns (controlled dispersion makes for minimal front/side wall
interactions) or something designed for on/in-wall placement.

For critical listening installations direct radiating speakers require more
space to the side walls because more energy is hitting them than with a
dipole. They require no less space to the front wall than dipoles because as
wave lengths become longer than their baffle width their radiation becomes
omnipolar. The narrow look that's popular (say under 12" wide) means that
there's significant mid-range energy hitting the front wall that needs to
be delayed and attenuated with distance (12" is 1130 Hz. A narrow 8"
speaker matches 1695Hz - meaning you'll be bouncing all your vocals off
the front wall!).


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Old November 6th 04, 08:04 AM posted to rec.audio.opinion,uk.rec.audio,rec.audio.pro,rec.audio.tech
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Default Non-ES speakers closest to electrostatic sound?

On Fri, 05 Nov 2004 15:55:42 -0700, Drew Eckhardt wrote:

In article , Alex wrote:
Arny Krueger wrote: Well, I love the sound of Quads
but they just won't fit into my small living room. They are simply too
wide. I need a conventional "tower" speaker. Which one(s) would you
recommend?


If you have a small room you do not want a "conventional tower"

Look at horns (controlled dispersion makes for minimal front/side wall
interactions) or something designed for on/in-wall placement.


Any idea how well Voigt pipes would sound in smallish rooms, close to rear
walls? This is one design that I have seriously considered having a go at,
in both straight and folded configurations. My drivers probably won't go
down too low, so the height of the pipe and hence its floor area shouldn't
be too scary! My own theory is that with a front port at the bottom of a
standard pipe the bass frequencies would be further extended by the
floor-wall corner of the room - effectively extending the horn to some
extent, although it may need some kind of hard surface reflector inside
the cab along the bottom rear corner.

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Old November 6th 04, 08:35 AM posted to rec.audio.opinion,uk.rec.audio,rec.audio.pro,rec.audio.tech
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Default Non-ES speakers closest to electrostatic sound?

mick wrote:

Any idea how well Voigt pipes would sound in smallish rooms,


If you had an SACD player feeding a current-dumping amp into
a pair of Voigt pipes, all linked with Russ Andrews cables,
then every part of your system would be based on fallacies. :-)

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Old November 6th 04, 08:08 AM posted to rec.audio.opinion,uk.rec.audio,rec.audio.pro,rec.audio.tech
Arny Krueger
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Default Non-ES speakers closest to electrostatic sound?

"Alex" wrote in message
Arny Krueger wrote:

For those audiophiles who'd like to own a Quad 988 but lack the
budget, or the room, or both, which of the non-ES speakers come
closest to that magical electrostatic sound?


IOW, a wannabe speaker?

Rule of thumb - you get better results when you seek things that are
true to their own identity.


Well, I love the sound of Quads but they just won't fit into my small
living room. They are simply too wide. I need a conventional "tower"
speaker. Which one(s) would you recommend?


Last towers I bought were NHT 2.5i speakers which are now out of production.
On balance, I probably should have bought 2.9s, but they didn't exist when I
was buying.


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Old November 6th 04, 10:56 PM posted to rec.audio.opinion,uk.rec.audio,rec.audio.pro,rec.audio.tech
Margaret von Busenhalter-Butt
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Default Non-ES speakers closest to electrostatic sound?


"Alex" wrote in message ...
Arny Krueger wrote:

: For those audiophiles who'd like to own a Quad 988 but lack the
: budget, or the room, or both, which of the non-ES speakers come
: closest to that magical electrostatic sound?
:
: IOW, a wannabe speaker?
:
: Rule of thumb - you get better results when you seek things that are
: true to their own identity.

Well, I love the sound of Quads but they just won't fit into my small
living room. They are simply too wide. I need a conventional "tower"
speaker. Which one(s) would you recommend?


Genelec S30D. Amp included.

Cheers,

Margaret





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Old November 6th 04, 11:02 PM posted to rec.audio.opinion,uk.rec.audio,rec.audio.pro,rec.audio.tech
Margaret von Busenhalter-Butt
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Default Non-ES speakers closest to electrostatic sound?

Also anything in your size/price range from Avalon Acoustics. The Eidolon
Diamond is arguably the most transparent dynamic speaker in existence.

Margaret



"Alex" wrote in message ...
Arny Krueger wrote:

: For those audiophiles who'd like to own a Quad 988 but lack the
: budget, or the room, or both, which of the non-ES speakers come
: closest to that magical electrostatic sound?
:
: IOW, a wannabe speaker?
:
: Rule of thumb - you get better results when you seek things that are
: true to their own identity.

Well, I love the sound of Quads but they just won't fit into my small
living room. They are simply too wide. I need a conventional "tower"
speaker. Which one(s) would you recommend?



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Old November 6th 04, 11:13 PM posted to rec.audio.opinion,uk.rec.audio,rec.audio.pro,rec.audio.tech
Margaret von Busenhalter-Butt
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"Margaret von Busenhalter-Butt" wrote in message
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Also anything in your size/price range from Avalon Acoustics. The Eidolon
Diamond is arguably the most transparent dynamic speaker in existence.

Margaret


However, the upper crust Avalons feature instrument placement that is
pinpoint accurate in a way that cannot be replicated with any ES (or other
speaker) that I know of. Some people like it more than others. And as far as
the soundstage is concerned, the Avalons can match the width but not the
height of really good stats. OTOH, no stat (or other speaker) that I know of
can match the soundstage depth of the better Avalons.

Cheers,

Margaret



 




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