I've had MGIII's, Apogee Caliper's, Dynaudio 1.8MKII's, Fried GII's, and
know what you should try. A pair of Carolina Audio JTM's. They are a
single driver in a transmission line cabinet which can be placed flat to
a wall and give you a LIVE sound your looking for without needing to be
played loud. They work well in a small room and have a wide sound stage.
Their bass doesn't match the Dynaudio's in depth but easly out perform
them in bass detail. That's the ability to make each bass note seperate
from another. I know, had to understand but once you hear it you'll know
what I'm talking about.
carolinaaudio.com

Happy listening
GTF

I've had MGIII's, Apogee Caliper's, Dynaudio 1.8MKII's, Fried GII's, and
know what you should try. A pair of Carolina Audio JTM's. They are a
single driver in a transmission line cabinet which can be placed flat to
a wall and give you a LIVE sound your looking for without needing to be
played loud. They work well in a small room and have a wide sound stage.
Their bass doesn't match the Dynaudio's in depth but easly out perform
them in bass detail. That's the ability to make each bass note seperate
from another. I know, had to understand but once you hear it you'll know
what I'm talking about.
carolinaaudio.com

Happy listening
GTF

I've had MGIII's, Apogee Caliper's, Dynaudio 1.8MKII's, Fried GII's, and
know what you should try. A pair of Carolina Audio JTM's. They are a
single driver in a transmission line cabinet which can be placed flat to
a wall and give you a LIVE sound your looking for without needing to be
played loud. They work well in a small room and have a wide sound stage.
Their bass doesn't match the Dynaudio's in depth but easly out perform
them in bass detail. That's the ability to make each bass note seperate
from another. I know, had to understand but once you hear it you'll know
what I'm talking about.
carolinaaudio.com

Happy listening
GTF

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Robert Morein wrote:
Electrostats may not be completely time coherent, but as they have a
single driver,

But they don't.

**The Martin Logan CLS does. As do many others.


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

On Sat, 6 Nov 2004 09:23:04 +1100, "Phil Allison"
wrote:


"MINe 109"

There was at least one post that put them
down as "Chinese" speakers having nothing to do with Quad.

http://www.quad-hifi.co.uk/lseriesworks.htm

According to Quad, all parts are designed "in-house".


** Yep - "in house" means in Shenzhen, China - where the Chang
brothers factory is located.

The Changs own IAG ( International Audio Group ) which also owns the
Wharfedale brand - guess where they are made now.

Try not to be such a **** here as you are in RAT. When Quad say they
are designed 'in house', that means in the UK, where the R&D
facilities are situated. Yes, they are *manufactured* in China, but to
a UK design suited to UK ears and rooms.
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

On Fri, 05 Nov 2004 19:32:47 GMT, alex wrote:

The Devil wrote:

: If the asking price of Quads is your main concern and you are able to work
: around the space requirements, look into second-hand 63s.

Price for 988 but space as well. Otherwise I could afford a used
ESL-63. The Quads are too wide for my room. A narrower speaker (could
be taller) is what I need.

Not to rain on your parade, but basically, forget it. The
characteristic sound of Quads and other large planars can *only* be
obtained by the use of a large planar dipole in a room large enough to
give the speaker lots of 'breathing room'. If your room size is such
that you don't have the space for Quads, then you don't have the space
to place *any* speaker far enough from the walls to avoid problems
with early reflections. There is one rather unusual solution, but it
*only* works with planar dipoles that have the tweeter down one edge,
such as Magneplanars or the old Apogees. See my page at
http://www.lurcher.org/ukra/ for how this is done.

OTOH, you can certainly obtain good, but different, sound in a small
room if you choose speakers that were *designed* to work close to a
wall, such as the classic Naim SBL.
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

On Fri, 05 Nov 2004 22:55:42 GMT, "Fleetie"
wrote:

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:
Electrostats may not be completely time coherent, but as they have a
single driver,

But they don't.

They can have.

Just cos Quad ESL57s don't and the ESL63 has like rings and delay
lines and whatnot.

Certainly Stax' "EarSpeakers" (AFAIK) all have just one transducer
for all frequencies.

As do Sound Labs and the Martin-Logan CLS. And the Quad's annuli are
specifically designed to simulate a point source 300mm behind the
speaker, so they certainly do count as a single driver acoustically.
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

On Fri, 05 Nov 2004 23:09:23 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

In article ,
Fleetie wrote:
Electrostats may not be completely time coherent, but as they have a
single driver,

But they don't.

They can have.

Just cos Quad ESL57s don't and the ESL63 has like rings and delay
lines and whatnot.

I think I'll accept that they've done the necessary research...

Certainly Stax' "EarSpeakers" (AFAIK) all have just one transducer
for all frequencies.

You've not noticed the odd fundamental difference between speakers and
headphones?

Stax loudspeakers also have a single diaphragm.

--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

"Stewart Pinkerton"
"Phil Allison"

"MINe 109"

There was at least one post that put them
down as "Chinese" speakers having nothing to do with Quad.

http://www.quad-hifi.co.uk/lseriesworks.htm

According to Quad, all parts are designed "in-house".


** Yep - "in house" means in Shenzhen, China - where the Chang
brothers factory is located.

The Changs own IAG ( International Audio Group ) which also owns the
Wharfedale brand - guess where they are made now.

Try not to be such a **** here as you are in RAT.


** Go to *straight into hell* you vile lump of pommy excrement.



When Quad say they are designed 'in house', that means in the UK, where
the R&D
facilities are situated.


** Shame that none of Peter Walker's old team are to be found there.

Shame all the components are made in the Chinese factory.


Yes, they are *manufactured* in China, but to a UK design suited to UK
ears and rooms.


** It is a Chinese made speaker - badged "Quad" to dramatically increased
the price and fleece the gullible.




............ Phil

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Robert Morein wrote:
Electrostats may not be completely time coherent, but as they have a
single driver,

But they don't.

Some do, some don't.
My Acoustat 2+2's have a single driver.