In message , Jim Lesurf
writes
So far I have carefully avoided listening to DAB.

Slainte,

Jim


Very wise. I've heard a few DAB tuners, and I'm not impressed so far.
Although it may not be the fault of DAB, but of pushing too many
channels in the radio space. R3 certainly sounds the best, but as I
normally only listen to R3 to hear the excellent 'Late Junction', and
I've not heard that on DAB I can't compare. Speech on R4 is noticeably
poorer than on FM, and I don't listen to R1 or R2.

DAB certainly makes sense for car audio though, (but then again, so does
Minidisc, and that never really caught on).
--
Chris Morriss

In article , Chris Morriss
wrote:
In message , Jim Lesurf
writes
So far I have carefully avoided listening to DAB.


Very wise. I've heard a few DAB tuners, and I'm not impressed so far.
Although it may not be the fault of DAB, but of pushing too many
channels in the radio space. R3 certainly sounds the best, but as I
normally only listen to R3 to hear the excellent 'Late Junction', and
I've not heard that on DAB I can't compare. Speech on R4 is noticeably
poorer than on FM, and I don't listen to R1 or R2.

I did exchanged CR-R's of a DAB and VHF concert with a friend a few years
ago (his DAB recording for my VHF one). This was on R3. They recordings
were audibly different, and this showed up on analysis. I preferred the
VHF, but I think this was mainly a matter of familiarity. However apart
from this one example of DAB I have avoided it as VHF here is OK.

DAB certainly makes sense for car audio though, (but then again, so does
Minidisc, and that never really caught on).

IIRC DAB initially grew out of work aimed at moblie/portable reception. For
that it may well be excellent. However the reports about it I have heard
are less than inviting.

Slainte,

Jim

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"Jim Lesurf" wrote


IIRC DAB initially grew out of work aimed at moblie/portable reception.
For
that it may well be excellent. However the reports about it I have heard
are less than inviting.



The 'parallels' between DAB/VHF and CD/LP are too obvious to ignore, in my
book.....

;-)

On Thu, 9 Dec 2004 17:57:15 -0000, "Keith G"
wrote:


"Jim Lesurf" wrote


IIRC DAB initially grew out of work aimed at moblie/portable reception.
For
that it may well be excellent. However the reports about it I have heard
are less than inviting.



The 'parallels' between DAB/VHF and CD/LP are too obvious to ignore, in my
book.....

;-)

Will you tell him how FM transmitters are fed, or shall I?

:-)

d

Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

In article ,
Don Pearce wrote:
The 'parallels' between DAB/VHF and CD/LP are too obvious to ignore, in
my book.....

;-)

Will you tell him how FM transmitters are fed, or shall I?

And how all the best sounding LPs for about 20 years have been mastered?

--
*Taxation WITH representation ain't much fun, either.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

In article ,
Don Pearce wrote:

The 'parallels' between DAB/VHF and CD/LP are too obvious to ignore, in
my book.....


;-)


Will you tell him how FM transmitters are fed, or shall I?

Surely not MP3?

(there are some radio stations that use MP3 instead of CD)



And how all the best sounding LPs for about 20 years have been mastered?


Not trolling, but were they mastered using digital and SS technology?

On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 09:21:26 +1100, Tat Chan
wrote:

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

In article ,
Don Pearce wrote:

The 'parallels' between DAB/VHF and CD/LP are too obvious to ignore, in
my book.....


;-)


Will you tell him how FM transmitters are fed, or shall I?

Surely not MP3?

(there are some radio stations that use MP3 instead of CD)


No - NICAM ! How do you like that?



And how all the best sounding LPs for about 20 years have been mastered?


Not trolling, but were they mastered using digital and SS technology?

Give that man a cigar...

d

Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

In article ,
Tat Chan wrote:
And how all the best sounding LPs for about 20 years have been
mastered?


Not trolling, but were they mastered using digital and SS technology?

Yes. The important bit is the digital mastering to get rid of the 'curse'
of analogue tape. Really well engineered valve amps throughout the chain
wouldn't have really been an issue, but of course by then they'd well
since disappeared, since consols required more and more channels they'd
have imposed rather too many restrictions.

There was a brief period when direct cut discs offered the sort of quality
I was after - assuming it was the type of music where this was practical.
But with the advent of digital recording, they all but disappeared. And
then along came the CD. ;-)

--
*If at first you don't succeed, destroy all evidence that you tried *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

"Tat Chan" wrote in message
...
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

In article ,
Don Pearce wrote:

The 'parallels' between DAB/VHF and CD/LP are too obvious to ignore, in
my book.....


;-)


Will you tell him how FM transmitters are fed, or shall I?



Heh heh! How the Binned People do chatter.....!!

:-)

Would someone please pass on to whichever Binned Person wrote the above
silly little smartarse remark (like I don't bloody know*) that I don't give
a FF what goes into producing/transmitting the music/audio I'm listening to,
be it analogue or digital, ss or valve, fillet of a fenny snake, eye of newt
and toe of frog, wool of bat and tongue of dog, adder's fork and
blind-worm's sting or lizard's leg & howlet's wing - I go with what I've
got, I'm an End User and, as such, I think the shortcomings of DAB, in
respect to VHF, mirror perfectly the shortcomings of CD in respect to
LP.....


*the one that, er, has *me* binned...??

:-)

(Ya hafta fekkin' larf, don'tcha...??? ;-)

In article , Don Pearce
wrote:
On Thu, 9 Dec 2004 17:57:15 -0000, "Keith G"
wrote:


The 'parallels' between DAB/VHF and CD/LP are too obvious to ignore, in
my book.....

;-)

Will you tell him how FM transmitters are fed, or shall I?

:-)

You do it. :-) I can then point out that the signal quality up here
improved a lot when they made the changes you have in mind... :-)

My understanding is that DAB has - in principle - the capability to work
very well indeed. The snag being that bean-counters have decided that
quantity counts for more than quality....

Slainte,

Jim

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Armstrong Audio http://www.st-and.demon.co.uk/Audio/armstrong.html
Barbirolli Soc. http://www.st-and.demon.co.uk/JBSoc/JBSoc.html