"Nick Gorham" wrote in

The POD I mentioned is a world apart from the "valvesound" ideas, but
still not perfect, but better than lugging 15 different amps around. I
haven't looked for some time, but the makers web site has assorted sound
clips of the different effects it can do.

I don't think you can make a guitar sound like its being played at loud
volumn, through a amp and speakers that are compressing the tops of the
wave without clipping them, without actually doing it, all three parts the
guitar (strings, body and pickup's), amp, and speakers are intereacting to
produce the result. If you DI a guitar, and then replay that through a
amp, you get quite a different effect. And for that matter, its quite a
different feeling playing a (say strat) guitar on the edge of feedback,
there is so much life in the strings, you are as much keeping it on a
leash as playing it.

Listen to some of the small sounds at the back of the mix in something
like Electric Ladyland,



Hmmm, you'd need valve amplification and a decent vinyl rig to be able to do
that for a start!

Keith G wrote:
"Nick Gorham" wrote in


The POD I mentioned is a world apart from the "valvesound" ideas, but
still not perfect, but better than lugging 15 different amps around. I
haven't looked for some time, but the makers web site has assorted sound
clips of the different effects it can do.

I don't think you can make a guitar sound like its being played at loud
volumn, through a amp and speakers that are compressing the tops of the
wave without clipping them, without actually doing it, all three parts the
guitar (strings, body and pickup's), amp, and speakers are intereacting to
produce the result. If you DI a guitar, and then replay that through a
amp, you get quite a different effect. And for that matter, its quite a
different feeling playing a (say strat) guitar on the edge of feedback,
there is so much life in the strings, you are as much keeping it on a
leash as playing it.

Listen to some of the small sounds at the back of the mix in something
like Electric Ladyland,




Hmmm, you'd need valve amplification and a decent vinyl rig to be able to do
that for a start!




In fact thats a example of the damage that can be done by looking at
scopes. When the first masters were made of Electric Ladyland, the
engineers looked at the tape, and found all sorts of odd out of phase
signals on it, so they decided to fix it. When the resultant pressing
was heard by Hendrix, he was less than impressed, they had spent a lot
of time creating all the out of phase effects in the first place. Thats
why its the second pressing is the one to have, not the first.

--
Nick

Nick Gorham wrote:

In fact thats a example of the damage that can be done by looking at
scopes. When the first masters were made of Electric Ladyland, the
engineers looked at the tape, and found all sorts of odd out of phase
signals on it, so they decided to fix it. When the resultant pressing
was heard by Hendrix, he was less than impressed, they had spent a lot
of time creating all the out of phase effects in the first place. Thats
why its the second pressing is the one to have, not the first.

I call BS.

looking at a scope with simple waveforms on you may be able to see
out-of-phaseness.

I challenge you to do so on a complex musical source.

Ian Molton wrote:
Nick Gorham wrote:

In fact thats a example of the damage that can be done by looking at
scopes. When the first masters were made of Electric Ladyland, the
engineers looked at the tape, and found all sorts of odd out of phase
signals on it, so they decided to fix it. When the resultant pressing
was heard by Hendrix, he was less than impressed, they had spent a lot
of time creating all the out of phase effects in the first place.
Thats why its the second pressing is the one to have, not the first.


I call BS.

looking at a scope with simple waveforms on you may be able to see
out-of-phaseness.

I challenge you to do so on a complex musical source.

Accepted, not wanting to be accused of bull**** (though this was just
ment to be a hopefully interesting "did you know"). I thought I would
try myself. yes I know he as left the building, but I still didn't want
the accusation to stick :-)

They did have some fun on that record, I can picture them, surrounded by
what was then (I guess) state of the art kit, finding ways to abuse it.

I wish I had my video camera on hand, anybody want to spend a few
minutes with a scope and has that recording, there is some quite OBVIOUS
out of phase information, try side one track one, "And the gods made love".

Anybody know of any PC stuff that could create a lissajous from a wav ?

--
Nick

In article , Nick Gorham
wrote:
Keith G wrote:


Listen to some of the small sounds at the back of the mix in something
like Electric Ladyland,


Hmmm, you'd need valve amplification and a decent vinyl rig to be able
to do that for a start!


In fact thats a example of the damage that can be done by looking at
scopes. When the first masters were made of Electric Ladyland, the
engineers looked at the tape, and found all sorts of odd out of phase
signals on it, so they decided to fix it. When the resultant pressing
was heard by Hendrix, he was less than impressed, they had spent a lot
of time creating all the out of phase effects in the first place. Thats
why its the second pressing is the one to have, not the first.

I enjoy Hendrix a lot. Didn't know about EL being altered as you describe.
Interesting. These days I listen to his work on CD-A, though. (Or DVD-V).
Some of the phase effects, etc, seem to come over well using ESL's. :-)

Slainte,

Jim

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On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 20:00:03 -0000, "Keith G"
wrote:


"Nick Gorham" wrote in

The POD I mentioned is a world apart from the "valvesound" ideas, but
still not perfect, but better than lugging 15 different amps around. I
haven't looked for some time, but the makers web site has assorted sound
clips of the different effects it can do.

I don't think you can make a guitar sound like its being played at loud
volumn, through a amp and speakers that are compressing the tops of the
wave without clipping them, without actually doing it, all three parts the
guitar (strings, body and pickup's), amp, and speakers are intereacting to
produce the result. If you DI a guitar, and then replay that through a
amp, you get quite a different effect. And for that matter, its quite a
different feeling playing a (say strat) guitar on the edge of feedback,
there is so much life in the strings, you are as much keeping it on a
leash as playing it.

Listen to some of the small sounds at the back of the mix in something
like Electric Ladyland,

Hmmm, you'd need valve amplification and a decent vinyl rig to be able to do
that for a start!

I think you mean that you'd want to completely avoid valves and vinyl
for that.................
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