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It may be "terribly bad form" to quote a post from another NG, but
I know there are many on this group who do not subscribe to RAT, on which the following post from Frank McVey appeared. The comments he makes apply equally or more to UKRA which has perhaps degenerated more than most groups. UKRA seems to be made up of some 10 or so stalwarts, with other occasional contributors. There are without doubt many times than number who read but never post, due to the bar room brawl mentality adopted by some. We are doing ourselves a great disfavour by allowing this to continue, and keeping out a large number of people who would have much to contribute, and would greatly improve the Signal to Noise ratio of this group. Kunniottaen Iain Frank McVey wrote: I've been lurking here for a wee while, hoping to learn from those more able than me, and, in time, to contribute something to those who are new to valve/tube technology. But it's become apparent to me that, while some of the guys on this group are very well-informed and talented, they seem to have few social skills; they don't make any attempt to pull together for the common good of the group, and, in many cases, their postings lack even the most basic courtesy. Gentlemen, - and you know who you are - you should be ashamed of yourselves. In the www and usenet, we have the greatest force there has ever been for people of all nations and all levels of expertise to come together, share our knowledge and experience, and to create something which would be greater than the sum of the parts. It genuinely pains me so see so many obviously-talented people wasting their time and energy on trivial point-scoring and back-biting, turning intelligent debate into self-serving argument, and reducing potentially-valuable threads to the level of a playground bunfight. |
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On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 14:25:33 +0200, "Iain M Churches"
wrote: It may be "terribly bad form" to quote a post from another NG, but I know there are many on this group who do not subscribe to RAT, on which the following post from Frank McVey appeared. The comments he makes apply equally or more to UKRA which has perhaps degenerated more than most groups. UKRA seems to be made up of some 10 or so stalwarts, with other occasional contributors. There are without doubt many times than number who read but never post, due to the bar room brawl mentality adopted by some. We are doing ourselves a great disfavour by allowing this to continue, and keeping out a large number of people who would have much to contribute, and would greatly improve the Signal to Noise ratio of this group. Kunniottaen Iain Iain, unfortunately - or should I say fortunately - this is not a moderated group, so there is no way to keep anybody out. And even more unfortunately some of the most prolific posters are either peddlers of myths or downright pig-rude (both in some cases). But hey - that makes the group fun; I wouldn't want it to be some stuffy repose of academe. d Pearce Consulting http://www.pearce.uk.com |
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"Don Pearce" wrote in message ... Iain, unfortunately - or should I say fortunately - this is not a moderated group, so there is no way to keep anybody out. And even more unfortunately some of the most prolific posters are either peddlers of myths or downright pig-rude (both in some cases). But hey - that makes the group fun; I wouldn't want it to be some stuffy repose of academe. d My point is Don, that *we* the members of this group are keeping people out by our churlish behaviour, and the influx of new blood (or old blood for that matter:-) would add a new dimension. Kunniottaen Iain |
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On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 14:56:24 +0200, "Iain M Churches"
wrote: "Don Pearce" wrote in message ... Iain, unfortunately - or should I say fortunately - this is not a moderated group, so there is no way to keep anybody out. And even more unfortunately some of the most prolific posters are either peddlers of myths or downright pig-rude (both in some cases). But hey - that makes the group fun; I wouldn't want it to be some stuffy repose of academe. d My point is Don, that *we* the members of this group are keeping people out by our churlish behaviour, and the influx of new blood (or old blood for that matter:-) would add a new dimension. Kunniottaen Iain Ah - sorry, I misread what you wrote. But I think that anybody who has the stomach to read what goes on here - and it isn't that bad by Usenet standards - should have the courage to dive in. Sure some of us get annoyed and may have a bit of a shout. But there aren't too many who would be deliberately rude to somebody new showing up. d Pearce Consulting http://www.pearce.uk.com |
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But there aren't too many who would be deliberately rude to somebody new
showing up. There are a number of posters who are consistently rude to various amateurs who - quite rightly - post about their hobby. The 'justification' of this rudeness is that 'people who peddle myths should be ruthlessly treated'. The same number of posters responsible for most of the rudeness are themselves the self appointed judge and jury of what constitutes a myth. A myth can consist of approximately anything, but in particular anything involving valves and vinyl, and including subjects which are routinely discussed on a whole number of other specialist forums, and example being the sound of various componants. Until and unless the band of Holy 'myth exposers' get down off their pulpits and stop satirising and insulting members there is no hope for this newsgroup. All the signs are that they won't, and you bet your life that this post will be answered by all the usual posts we have seen for years saying that - of course - they are right and we are all poor misgoided idiots. And so it goes on, and so it will go on. They will say 'of course it will go on as long as people peddle myths' and feel fully justified in keeping up their stream of invective. The rest of us will sigh and use other forums. This is the only newsgroup in which I killfile members - I don't read or reply to their posts. It sounds cynical, but I would urge others to do the same. If rude posters consistently get no response from anyone, they will have no basis for conversation. Then let them be the ones to have to find other newsgroups to rant on. === Andy Evans === Visit our Website:- http://www.artsandmedia.com Audio, music and health pages and interesting links. |
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On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 13:30:09 GMT, (Don Pearce)
wrote: On 10 Dec 2004 13:25:36 GMT, ohawker (Andy Evans) wrote: But there aren't too many who would be deliberately rude to somebody new showing up. There are a number of posters who are consistently rude to various amateurs who - quite rightly - post about their hobby. The 'justification' of this rudeness is that 'people who peddle myths should be ruthlessly treated'. The same number of posters responsible for most of the rudeness are themselves the self appointed judge and jury of what constitutes a myth. A myth can consist of approximately anything, but in particular anything involving valves and vinyl, and including subjects which are routinely discussed on a whole number of other specialist forums, and example being the sound of various componants. Until and unless the band of Holy 'myth exposers' get down off their pulpits and stop satirising and insulting members there is no hope for this newsgroup. All the signs are that they won't, and you bet your life that this post will be answered by all the usual posts we have seen for years saying that - of course - they are right and we are all poor misgoided idiots. And so it goes on, and so it will go on. They will say 'of course it will go on as long as people peddle myths' and feel fully justified in keeping up their stream of invective. The rest of us will sigh and use other forums. This is the only newsgroup in which I killfile members - I don't read or reply to their posts. It sounds cynical, but I would urge others to do the same. If rude posters consistently get no response from anyone, they will have no basis for conversation. Then let them be the ones to have to find other newsgroups to rant on. === Andy Evans === Visit our Website:- http://www.artsandmedia.com Audio, music and health pages and interesting links. Andy, by far the rudest poster on this group is probably its most vociferous vinylphile. I'm willing to bet that you haven't killfiled him, though, because he appears to sit on your side of the fence. Would I be right? d Pearce Consulting http://www.pearce.uk.com Oops! Didn't mean vinylphile, I meant valve-phile. d Pearce Consulting http://www.pearce.uk.com |
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Andy, by far the rudest poster on this group is probably its most
vociferous vinylphile. I'm willing to bet that you haven't killfiled him, though, because he appears to sit on your side of the fence. Would I be right? Don, I think you should consider the fact that he has never ever been rude to me. What reason would I - personally - have (not talking about others here) to killfile somebody who has always treated me with courtesy and good humour? === Andy Evans === Visit our Website:- http://www.artsandmedia.com Audio, music and health pages and interesting links. |
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Iain M Churches wrote: My point is Don, that *we* the members of this group are keeping people out by our churlish behaviour, and the influx of new blood (or old blood for that matter:-) would add a new dimension. I doubt it. Those who are 'put off' by the 'churlish behaviour' are likely to be those who don't want their views challenged. If you wish such a group - where say valvies can discuss their hobby and make the most outrageous claims with impunity - then you need to set up a group where that is in the charter. UKRAV is such a group where vinyl enthusiasts can 'wax' lyrical about its 'advantages'. But even those who set it up - for the self same reasons as you seem to want - ignore it and post here. Draw your own conclusions. -- *(on a baby-size shirt) "Party -- my crib -- two a.m Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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...he appears to sit on your side of the fence.Oops! Didn't mean vinylphile, I
meant valve-phile. DoP I couldn't care what he or anyone else is into - that's their business. As a matter of fact, where is this so-called 'fence' you talk about? Who made it? Who maintains it? When can we pull it down? I care about what we all care about, which is to say who is and who isn't personally rude to us. This sectarian - 'vinyl/valveophile' stuff doesn't come from me. === Andy Evans === Visit our Website:- http://www.artsandmedia.com Audio, music and health pages and interesting links. |
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On 10 Dec 2004 13:44:05 GMT, ohawker (Andy
Evans) wrote: Andy, by far the rudest poster on this group is probably its most vociferous vinylphile. I'm willing to bet that you haven't killfiled him, though, because he appears to sit on your side of the fence. Would I be right? Don, I think you should consider the fact that he has never ever been rude to me. What reason would I - personally - have (not talking about others here) to killfile somebody who has always treated me with courtesy and good humour? Ah - fair enough. I thought you were speaking from a point of principle about good manners. Quite telling that you knew exactly who I was talking about without my having to name him, though ;-) d Pearce Consulting http://www.pearce.uk.com |
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On 10 Dec 2004 13:49:31 GMT, ohawker (Andy
Evans) wrote: ..he appears to sit on your side of the fence.Oops! Didn't mean vinylphile, I meant valve-phile. DoP I couldn't care what he or anyone else is into - that's their business. As a matter of fact, where is this so-called 'fence' you talk about? Who made it? Who maintains it? When can we pull it down? I care about what we all care about, which is to say who is and who isn't personally rude to us. This sectarian - 'vinyl/valveophile' stuff doesn't come from me. Same people as the ones who put the Berlin wall up - the bigots, the refusers-to-seek-truth brigade, the ones who "know" they are right in the face of contrary evidence. The very ones you would expect, in fact. d Pearce Consulting http://www.pearce.uk.com |
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refusers-to-seek-truth brigade, DoP
So the sectarian split is between the "refusers-to-seek-truth brigade" and the policemen of the truth. Does this remind you of the Spanish Inquisition? === Andy Evans === Visit our Website:- http://www.artsandmedia.com Audio, music and health pages and interesting links. |
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Quite telling that you knew exactly who I was talking about without my
having to name him, though ; DoP I am a psychologist........ === Andy Evans === Visit our Website:- http://www.artsandmedia.com Audio, music and health pages and interesting links. |
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On 10 Dec 2004 14:00:35 GMT, ohawker (Andy
Evans) wrote: refusers-to-seek-truth brigade, DoP So the sectarian split is between the "refusers-to-seek-truth brigade" and the policemen of the truth. Does this remind you of the Spanish Inquisition? No, the split is between the refuers-to-seek-the-truth and the open minded. Those with an open mind don't just run with their prejudices, they recognise them and test them - then root them out. It really is a far healthier way to be. d Pearce Consulting http://www.pearce.uk.com |
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Excercise: Here are some of the most recent posts on Audio Asylum, tubes:
Opinions on Sylvania Gold Label 12AT7WA Mac C22 tube question - Tubes for CJ PV6 Preamp - CDE Metallized Polyester Film Caps - Type DME (Radial) vs Type MMWA (Axial). Is the MMWA overkill for coupling caps? What are the differences between RCA 807 vs. JAN/RCA 807 6900 tubes Amazing Amplifier Upgrade - SOmeone please tell me about E80CCs - Brimar 6SL7 comments? - Sylvania 6550 or Tungsol 6550 Now, choose an answer from below that you would typically use about people who say componants sound different: a) It's possible b) There is no proof I'm personally aware of, though I have in fairness left my files on this subject in the office, so until incontrovertible proof has been given, the assumption is that it's all just subjective c) those people have fairies at the bottom of their gardens d) Just the usual ****s and cretins. Results: a) find another newsgroup b) your name is Jim c) your name is Don or Dave d) can't give name because killfiled· === Andy Evans === Visit our Website:- http://www.artsandmedia.com Audio, music and health pages and interesting links. |
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I am a psychologist........
How many first dates did that line cut short?... At the time when I did most of my dating it was "I'm a jazz musician". These days I'm in an age group where women love psychologists. Gotta adapt to the times. === Andy Evans === Visit our Website:- http://www.artsandmedia.com Audio, music and health pages and interesting links. |
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"Iain M Churches" wrote in message ... "Don Pearce" wrote in message ... Iain, unfortunately - or should I say fortunately - this is not a moderated group, so there is no way to keep anybody out. And even more unfortunately some of the most prolific posters are either peddlers of myths or downright pig-rude (both in some cases). But hey - that makes the group fun; I wouldn't want it to be some stuffy repose of academe. d My point is Don, that *we* the members of this group are keeping people out by our churlish behaviour, and the influx of new blood (or old blood for that matter:-) would add a new dimension. That point has been made by a few others and me on numerous occassions and is studiousy/routinely ingnored by a small few here who use this group to 'get their rocks off'.... What kills me is that I've just been interrupted from this post to look at a set of the last three year's figures (from D&B - not DAB) of an organisation which has a current annual sales figure of £140,000,000 (and manages £70 BILLION of its customers' assets) and offer an 'instant analysis' of its activities with a view to spending up to half a million (or not) on a bid for its future 'IT Support and Management' business!! (And some dim twot here will be blathering on about 'reduced bitrates' on Radio Jerk on DAB..... :-) Ya hafta fekkin' larf.....!!! :-) |
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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message ... In article , Iain M Churches wrote: My point is Don, that *we* the members of this group are keeping people out by our churlish behaviour, and the influx of new blood (or old blood for that matter:-) would add a new dimension. I doubt it. Those who are 'put off' by the 'churlish behaviour' are likely to be those who don't want their views challenged. If you wish such a group - where say valvies can discuss their hobby and make the most outrageous claims with impunity - then you need to set up a group where that is in the charter. UKRAV is such a group where vinyl enthusiasts can 'wax' lyrical about its 'advantages'. But even those who set it up - for the self same reasons as you seem to want - ignore it and post here. Draw your own conclusions. A group, I might add, that was formed with the intention of removing acrimony and contention from this group and rendered immediately pointless and futile by the inrush of the few 'antivinyl bigots' here too stupid to realise: a) that it was in their best interests* and b) they had won a form of victory and removed an unwanted topic from this group. The well-being of *this group* was a damn sight more prominent in our (the vinyl group's proponents) vision than it ever was theirs (the aforesaid 'antivinyl bigots'), but there's no legislating for arrant stupidty in this life, is there.....??? *Or was it? Wot would they have in their drab little lives, if they didn't have 'valves' and 'vinyl' arguments to look forward to all day long...??? ;-) |
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Andy Evans wrote: Excercise: Here are some of the most recent posts on Audio Asylum, tubes: snip Andy, why do you feel the need to convert everyone here to your beliefs? You appear to have found a newsgroup where your views go unchallenged, which is what you appear to want, so why get so upset when many here won't let you do the same? -- *Filthy stinking rich -- well, two out of three ain't bad Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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Keith G wrote: UKRAV is such a group where vinyl enthusiasts can 'wax' lyrical about its 'advantages'. But even those who set it up - for the self same reasons as you seem to want - ignore it and post here. Draw your own conclusions. A group, I might add, that was formed with the intention of removing acrimony and contention from this group and rendered immediately pointless and futile by the inrush of the few 'antivinyl bigots' here too stupid to realise: a) that it was in their best interests* and b) they had won a form of victory and removed an unwanted topic from this group. Strange. I remember those from here who decided to read it extremely helpful with advice on how to get the best out of vinyl. Once you remove the 'versus' argument, why not? Of course I'm sure you hated the fact that those same people had the knowledge to offer such practical advice. The well-being of *this group* was a damn sight more prominent in our (the vinyl group's proponents) vision than it ever was theirs (the aforesaid 'antivinyl bigots'), but there's no legislating for arrant stupidty in this life, is there.....??? The 'well being' in your opinion being to own it? -- *How many roads must a man travel down before he admits he is lost? * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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"Andy Evans" wrote in message ... Andy, by far the rudest poster on this group is probably its most vociferous vinylphile. I'm willing to bet that you haven't killfiled him, though, because he appears to sit on your side of the fence. Would I be right? Don, I think you should consider the fact that he has never ever been rude to me. What reason would I - personally - have (not talking about others here) to killfile somebody who has always treated me with courtesy and good humour? :-) Ooh, does he mean meee, I wonder...??? :-) If yer mate Donald McRonald thinks I'm the rudest poster here it just goes to show how blinkered and selective these ole boys can be. (Like weak parents, they rush in a punish the one who's finally got fed up and given the other irritating little **** a whack who, of course, is squealing like a stuck pig - which goes with the 'personality type', of course....) I've said it before - I pay people in the same coin they pay me, although I'm a bit mystified by DoP's (as you call him) attitude as I don't recall ever having treated him more harshly than 'agreeing to disagree' on a couple of occasions....??? Perhaps my calling 'one here' a *bull****ter* is viewed as being worse than being continually called a *liar* by that same person...??? (Who knows? Who cares? - Wouldn't happen more than once, face to face, believe you me!!) |
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"Andy Evans" wrote in message ... refusers-to-seek-truth brigade, DoP So the sectarian split is between the "refusers-to-seek-truth brigade" and the policemen of the truth. Does this remind you of the Spanish Inquisition? No - George Orwell's '1984'.... ;-) |
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"Andy Evans" wrote in message ... ..he appears to sit on your side of the fence.Oops! Didn't mean vinylphile, I meant valve-phile. DoP I couldn't care what he or anyone else is into - that's their business. As a matter of fact, where is this so-called 'fence' you talk about? Who made it? Who maintains it? When can we pull it down? I care about what we all care about, which is to say who is and who isn't personally rude to us. This sectarian - 'vinyl/valveophile' stuff doesn't come from me. Nice sentiments, but I think you'll find that a lot of the crap in this group (itself a 'sine qua non', I suspect) stems from a few fractious types here who feel their *beliefs* have been threatened and are too upset by it to face facts.... LOL! :-) |
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"Don Pearce" wrote in message ... Iain, unfortunately - or should I say fortunately - this is not a moderated group, so there is no way to keep anybody out. No one has suggested that it shojuld be or that we should try to:-) And even more unfortunately some of the most prolific posters are either peddlers of myths or downright pig-rude (both in some cases). But hey - that makes the group fun; Surely whether it is fun or not depends from which end of the gun barrel you are looking:-) I was thinking of a case in point just a day or two ago, when a newbee posted a schematic of his new amp for comments. (Surely you remember the one, that had the heater centre-tap left unconnected!) Our lads certainly gave him a peppering with buckshot. He he won't be back for a while! What a great feeling! :-((((( Surulista! Iain I wouldn't want it to be some stuffy repose of academe. There is litle fear of that:-) |
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On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 18:43:05 +0200, "Iain M Churches"
wrote: And even more unfortunately some of the most prolific posters are either peddlers of myths or downright pig-rude (both in some cases). But hey - that makes the group fun; Surely whether it is fun or not depends from which end of the gun barrel you are looking:-) I was thinking of a case in point just a day or two ago, when a newbee posted a schematic of his new amp for comments. (Surely you remember the one, that had the heater centre-tap left unconnected!) Our lads certainly gave him a peppering with buckshot. He he won't be back for a while! What a great feeling! Iain, your memory fails you. It was me that pointed out the error on the diagram - and I did it quite nicely, with a joke. It was then me that got "peppered with buckshot" for having the effrontery to point out an error on a circuit that had been submitted for exactly that purpose - peer review. I had failed to appreciate that where valves are concerned, criticism is not an option - lavish praise is all that is allowed. OK, I got irritated by the flak, and went on to describe how the circuit was going to work in practice (very poorly in this case). But there - you go. I have had circuits peer reviewed on the past, and pulled to pieces. That is why you do it. d Pearce Consulting http://www.pearce.uk.com |
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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message ... In article , Keith G wrote: UKRAV is such a group where vinyl enthusiasts can 'wax' lyrical about its 'advantages'. But even those who set it up - for the self same reasons as you seem to want - ignore it and post here. Draw your own conclusions. A group, I might add, that was formed with the intention of removing acrimony and contention from this group and rendered immediately pointless and futile by the inrush of the few 'antivinyl bigots' here too stupid to realise: a) that it was in their best interests* and b) they had won a form of victory and removed an unwanted topic from this group. Strange. I remember those from here who decided to read it extremely helpful with advice on how to get the best out of vinyl. Once you remove the 'versus' argument, why not? Don't worry, the 'Brownie Point Stacking' exercise was noted from Day 1 by more than just me - but the mystery was, why on earth should people who, by many previous admissions, follow a special interest into its own group to do there (claimed) what they felt they couldn't do in here? Of course I'm sure you hated the fact that those same people had the knowledge to offer such practical advice. You would, of course, think that and, no doubt, gain a few crumbs of comfort from so doing..... The well-being of *this group* was a damn sight more prominent in our (the vinyl group's proponents) vision than it ever was theirs (the aforesaid 'antivinyl bigots'), but there's no legislating for arrant stupidty in this life, is there.....??? The 'well being' in your opinion being to own it? Me *own* this group? (What strange thinking!) How is that possible? - I'm not on 'The Panel' and I never use the plural form to voice my *personal* opinions.... 'We valvies'....?? :-) 'We vinylphiles'....?? :-) Nah, that dog don't hunt.........!!! Now, tell me summat Plowie - if I'm the only one 'out of the thousands you read'** in your ****ter (as you intimated a day or two ago, apparently), how come you are replying to my posts?? (Or, as 'one here' likes to say rather a lot - are you *lying* again...??? ;-) :-) ** Really? Thousands....????? Mind.... Boggle.... Boggled mind.... |
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"Andy Evans" wrote in message
Andy, by far the rudest poster on this group is probably its most vociferous vinylphile. I'm willing to bet that you haven't killfiled him, though, because he appears to sit on your side of the fence. Would I be right? Don, I think you should consider the fact that he has never ever been rude to me. I think this comment pretty much shows the futility of Church's post. The subtext is that cries for more moderate posting should only apply to people who disagree with one Andy Evans. And given Church's audio politics, we now have the probable reason the OP started the thread. In your typical vinylphile/valvophile's mind it isn't how polite one is that matters, its who is impolite to them that matters. |
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"Don Pearce" wrote in message ... Iain, your memory fails you. It was me that pointed out the error on the diagram - and I did it quite nicely, with a joke. It was then me that got "peppered with buckshot" for having the effrontery to point out an error on a circuit that had been submitted for exactly that purpose - peer review. (snip and paste) OK, I got irritated by the flak, and went on to describe how the circuit was going to work in practice (very poorly in this case). But there - you go. I have had circuits peer reviewed on the past, and pulled to pieces. That is why you do it. d Hello Don, It may well me that my news server did not download all the messages to that particular thread, because I saw no evaluation of the circuit, or suggestions of improvements (with reasons why they would be improvements) I had failed to appreciate that where valves are concerned, criticism is not an option - lavish praise is all that is allowed. :-) That's not really fair Don. I am sure there is no-one amongst us who does not appreciate help, I know I certainly do, and I have been building amps for a very long time. To build a valve amp is a pretty simple task. To build a good valve amp is quite a serious undertaking. Cordially, Iain Cordially, Iain Pearce Consulting http://www.pearce.uk.com |
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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... I think this comment pretty much shows the futility of Church's post. Hi Arny, You may not agree with my opinions, but please do me the courtesy of spelling my name correctly, after all, your writing will go down to posterity:-) Last time you mis-spelt my first name, now you singularise my surname, which is Churches, in the plural. The genetive case is Churches' not Church's as you wrote it. Having said that: The subtext is that cries for more moderate posting should only apply to people who disagree with one Andy Evans. This has nothing whatsoever to do with Andy Evans, or any other individual, and even less to do with the SS/valve(tube) or CD/vinyl debate but was a statement regarding the lack of civility we seem to show each other on this group. As metioned before, if we were all sat round the table in your office or in mine, we would have a lively and stimulating discussion, with the normal courtesey that people show to one another. So why should we behave differently here? It just strikes me that an awful lot of bandwidth is taken up with expletives when it could be used for sound reasoning and solid discussion. Surely that is the object of this NG? And given Church's audio politics, we now have the probable reason the OP started the thread. I have no politics in audio. I have been a professional recording engineer, for more than 30 years. I am as happy with to work in digital as I am in analogue. (though I always prefer to edit in the digital domain) In your typical vinylphile/valvophile's mind it isn't how polite one is that matters, its who is impolite to them that matters. At home I listen to a lot of analogue material, 38 cms quarter inch tape Dolby SR, and happen to use valve amplifiers because they please me and seem to me to reproduce the music I listen to - much of which I have recorded myself, in the way I like to hear it. (Perhaps, I should add that I am a born tinkerer, and both analogue tape machines and valve amps lend themselves to tinkering. CD players, DAT machines and SS amps for that matter are already so perfect that there is nothing left to tweak:-) I think I have mentioned before that I have a huge number of CD's (I get sent review copies almost daily) and vast amount of vinyl, and an excellent collection of 78 rpm records. I listen to, and enjoy them all. So please don't try to classify me as a vinylphile (whatever that might mean) or any other kind of Phile for that matter. I hope that makes my poisiton and my point clear. Oh and Arny, a Swedish friend of mine asked me a question the other day, (in perfect English) which might, as a Christian, amuse you: Q: How does an agnostic, dyslectic, insomniac spend his nights? A; He lays awake, wondering "Is there a Dog?" Cordially, Iain |
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In message , Iain M Churches
writes Oh and Arny, a Swedish friend of mine asked me a question the other day, (in perfect English) which might, as a Christian, amuse you: Q: How does an agnostic, dyslectic, insomniac spend his nights? A; He lays awake, wondering "Is there a Dog?" Cordially, Iain Oh dear, oh dear. That's an example of 'perfect' English is it? 2/10 for another incorrect use of the word 'lays'. -- Chris Morriss |
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"Chris Morriss" wrote in message ... In message , Iain M Churches writes A; He lays awake, wondering "Is there a Dog?" Oh dear, oh dear. That's an example of 'perfect' English is it? 2/10 for another incorrect use of the word 'lays'. -- Chris Morriss Tough marking from you Chris:-) My Oxford English Dictionary gives: Lay. alt vb Lie, so maybe this is not incorrect after all. But in any case, let's not blame the Swede. Let's say it was my typo:-) I have lived in Scandinavia for 25 years, so English is not my first language any more either. Also, I am sure Arny won't mind:-) But let's not get too superior. I see from an article in The European that there are more than 7 million young people and adults in the UK whose literary skills in the English language are at or below primary school level, and an additional 3 million need assistance in completing a form or questionnaire. In contrast, most Scandinavians are fluent in two languages, with English as a strong third. How many of us, I wonder, could tell the same joke in Swedish? Cordially, Iain |
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Iain M Churches wrote:
"Chris Morriss" wrote in message 2/10 for another incorrect use of the word 'lays'. Tough marking from you Chris:-) Spelling is not normally mentioned unless a mistake is amusing. In this case many of us were amused to see you make the same error as the stupid trucker did recently. He still thinks that he is right. How many of us, I wonder, could tell the same joke in Swedish? Not many. Not many Swedes could either, unless hund is an anagram of gud. -- Eiron. |
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Keith G wrote: A group, I might add, that was formed with the intention of removing acrimony and contention from this group and rendered immediately pointless and futile by the inrush of the few 'antivinyl bigots' here too stupid to realise: a) that it was in their best interests* and b) they had won a form of victory and removed an unwanted topic from this group. Strange. I remember those from here who decided to read it extremely helpful with advice on how to get the best out of vinyl. Once you remove the 'versus' argument, why not? Don't worry, the 'Brownie Point Stacking' exercise was noted from Day 1 by more than just me - but the mystery was, why on earth should people who, by many previous admissions, follow a special interest into its own group to do there (claimed) what they felt they couldn't do in here? Now that's a change of tack. First you're complaining of 'the inrush of a few anti vinyl bigots, and now you're tacitly admitting they 'behaved' themselves. But as usual, you've missed the point. It's one thing to appreciate obsolete technology, and to enjoy playing with it. It's another matter to state in an open forum just how superior it is to current technology. When by any measure - other than your 'ears' it plainly isn't, nor can it be shown to be by any accepted comparisons. Of course I'm sure you hated the fact that those same people had the knowledge to offer such practical advice. You would, of course, think that and, no doubt, gain a few crumbs of comfort from so doing..... Have you actually made the Pinky MC pre-amp? I have. If you haven't, I'd suggest you do. It out performs any valve MC pickup in every possible parameter. If you are serious about wanting the best performance from vinyl. The well-being of *this group* was a damn sight more prominent in our (the vinyl group's proponents) vision than it ever was theirs (the aforesaid 'antivinyl bigots'), but there's no legislating for arrant stupidty in this life, is there.....??? The 'well being' in your opinion being to own it? Me *own* this group? (What strange thinking!) How is that possible? - I'm not on 'The Panel' and I never use the plural form to voice my *personal* opinions.... It's not possible. But I'd say you would if you could... And what you forget is that many of those you hate have been around here a lot longer than you. But don't want to censor anyone's views - just debate them. Dunno how you find that so hard to stomach. 'We valvies'....?? :-) 'We vinylphiles'....?? :-) Nah, that dog don't hunt.........!!! Now, tell me summat Plowie - if I'm the only one 'out of the thousands you read'** in your ****ter (as you intimated a day or two ago, apparently), how come you are replying to my posts?? (Or, as 'one here' likes to say rather a lot - are you *lying* again...??? ;-) As I said it was only set for a given time. I like to see if anything has changed. At least you haven't thrown one of your (sober) drunken wobblies recently. Toys being thrown out of prams have no attraction to me - although of course you have to accept it with some kids. :-) ** Really? Thousands....????? Mind.... Boggle.... Boggled mind.... Looking at the numbers of individual authors in my newsreader at the moment - and it is set to expire posts after 14 days - gives 876. So thousands over a period of time is a reasonable estimate. -- *Hard work pays off in the future. Laziness pays off now * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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Iain M Churches wrote:
My point is Don, that *we* the members of this group are keeping people out by our churlish behaviour, and the influx of new blood (or old blood for that matter:-) would add a new dimension. No, the people that are being 'kept out', to use use your loaded terminology, are those who can't deal with the fact that this is usenet - an unmoderated, uncensored, opiniated bastion of freedom of both speech and posting style. You seem to imply that there is a 'group' in the sense that there is a voluntary coming together for a greater common good. This notion is entirely specious - ukra is a collection of individuals who post here for their own reasons. Nobody is obliged to help anyone else. You're like a typical newbie who finds some forum or other and thinks it should be changed to comply with how he thinks it should be. It isn't up to you. It isn't up to anyone. I speak for myself, but I'm sure I'm not the only one here who will *never* change what they say, or how they say it, just to accommodate some bleeding heart who finds the kitchen a tad hot. Frankly, dude, and with the greatest of respect and the best of intentions, if you don't like it in here, then go somewhere else. Just to be clear: nobody's asking you to be anything other than yourself, so don't have the self-righteous arrogance to expect others to change to suit you. To put it simply, stop whining, grow a thicker skin, and post something on-topic. -- Wally www.artbywally.com www.wally.myby.co.uk |
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"Eiron" wrote in message ... Iain M Churches wrote: How many of us, I wonder, could tell the same joke in Swedish? Not many. Not many Swedes could either, unless hund is an anagram of gud. -- Eiron. :-))) Rolig Telling a joke, or translating a lyric, needs much more than word for word "conversion" from one language to another. Iain |
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On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 13:49:06 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote: In article , Iain M Churches wrote: My point is Don, that *we* the members of this group are keeping people out by our churlish behaviour, and the influx of new blood (or old blood for that matter:-) would add a new dimension. I doubt it. Those who are 'put off' by the 'churlish behaviour' are likely to be those who don't want their views challenged. If you wish such a group - where say valvies can discuss their hobby and make the most outrageous claims with impunity - then you need to set up a group where that is in the charter. Audio Asylum. Any discussion involving DBT, i.e. actually *proving* the truth behind your opinions, is banned by the censors. -- Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering |
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On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 16:04:24 -0000, "Keith G"
wrote: Perhaps my calling 'one here' a *bull****ter* is viewed as being worse than being continually called a *liar* by that same person...??? (Who knows? Who cares? - Wouldn't happen more than once, face to face, believe you me!!) True enough, but perhaps not in the way you meant.... :-) -- Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering |
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