I recorded a jazz concert earlier this week.
A Swedish tenor saxophone player in the
band, a guy in his early 30's,
told me that he had just come back
from an auction in Berlin, where he had
bought a sealed vinyl pressing of
"DUKE ELLINGTON LIVE AT NEWPORT"
(the legendary concert recorded in 1956
where Paul Gonsalves played an astounding
27 chorus solo in "Diminuendo and Crescendo in Blue")

He bought the album in auction and paid Euro286
that's UKP200. It was a sealed review copy.

He told me also that he has the double CD (Euro23)
with lots of previously unreleased material, which he
bought as a tool to enable him to learn and evaluate the
construction of the Gonsalves solo, being able to stop,
start and loop the CD player as and when required.

He grinned and added, " But I bought the vinyl for
the sheer musical enjoyment"

Iain

On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 10:44:32 +0200, "Iain M Churches"
wrote:

I recorded a jazz concert earlier this week.
A Swedish tenor saxophone player in the
band, a guy in his early 30's,
told me that he had just come back
from an auction in Berlin, where he had
bought a sealed vinyl pressing of
"DUKE ELLINGTON LIVE AT NEWPORT"
(the legendary concert recorded in 1956
where Paul Gonsalves played an astounding
27 chorus solo in "Diminuendo and Crescendo in Blue")

He bought the album in auction and paid Euro286
that's UKP200. It was a sealed review copy.

He told me also that he has the double CD (Euro23)
with lots of previously unreleased material, which he
bought as a tool to enable him to learn and evaluate the
construction of the Gonsalves solo, being able to stop,
start and loop the CD player as and when required.

He grinned and added, " But I bought the vinyl for
the sheer musical enjoyment"

Iain


You really think he's going to break the seal on that record? Not a
chance! That is going to be sold again in a few years just as it is.

d

Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

"Don Pearce" wrote in message
...

You really think he's going to break the seal on that record? Not a
chance! That is going to be sold again in a few years just as it is.

d

He already has:-)

Interesting. As soon as something is no longer available,
everyone wants it. He told me there were some 50 commission
bids, about the same number of telephone bids, and more than
100 people in the room.

From a British record catalogue I see that the original LP was priced
at 4s11p. So, if now sold at UKP200, it has "risen" in value 800 times.

I wonder if anyone will pay UKP12,000 for a CD in the year 2054?

:-)

Iain

On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 11:03:07 +0200, "Iain M Churches"
wrote:


"Don Pearce" wrote in message
...

You really think he's going to break the seal on that record? Not a
chance! That is going to be sold again in a few years just as it is.

d

He already has:-)

Interesting. As soon as something is no longer available,
everyone wants it. He told me there were some 50 commission
bids, about the same number of telephone bids, and more than
100 people in the room.

From a British record catalogue I see that the original LP was priced
at 4s11p. So, if now sold at UKP200, it has "risen" in value 800 times.

I wonder if anyone will pay UKP12,000 for a CD in the year 2054?

:-)

Iain



I'm shocked! As for future value for CDs, that is really hard to say.
It is quite possible that all the source material is going to remain
in essentially perfect condition, just circulating round the Internet
like he flying dutchman. So if anybody is going to pay huge bucks for
a CD, it won't be on the basis of wanting the music, but out of
nostalgia for the physical object.

I even get that about new stuff - I know I can get any music I want
from the Internet, and I could ask friends to make copies of stuff,
and they would be perfect. But I want the CD. I want to spend half an
hour breaking through the shrink wrap. I want to feel the weight of
the booklet, and read all the words for no good reason. I want to see
the CD with all its printing.

Sometimes I might even listen to it!

d

Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

"Don Pearce" wrote in message
...
I even get that about new stuff - I know I can get any music I want
from the Internet, and I could ask friends to make copies of stuff,
and they would be perfect. But I want the CD. I want to spend half an
hour breaking through the shrink wrap. I want to feel the weight of
the booklet, and read all the words for no good reason. I want to see
the CD with all its printing.

Sometimes I might even listen to it!

d

For many, that is an added attraction of boxed vinyl sets.
I have both the vinyl and CD versions of "My Ladye Neville's Booke"
early keyboard music by William Byrd published in 1591.

The vinyl set (8 sides) includes a wonderful 11.5x11.5 inch
22 page book, including a colour facsimile of the original.

The CD, also has a tiny, barely readable booklet,
which pales in comparison.

Perhaps I should listen to the CD, and look at the vinyl:-)

Cordially,

Iain

Don Pearce wrote:
On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 11:03:07 +0200, "Iain M Churches"

I even get that about new stuff - I know I can get any music I want
from the Internet, and I could ask friends to make copies of stuff,
and they would be perfect. But I want the CD. I want to spend half an
hour breaking through the shrink wrap. I want to feel the weight of
the booklet, and read all the words for no good reason. I want to see
the CD with all its printing.

Sometimes I might even listen to it!

d

Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

I have to agree. I have been known to downloaded an album while I was
waiting for CDWOW to deliver it to me from Hong Kong (or wherever they
are!). That's what I don't understand about all this MP3 stuff, the pleasure
of flipping through a pile of CD's, turning them over and looking what
tracks are on them, physically loading the player and pressing play is a
dying pleasure I feel!

Keep well,

Will

--
Will Reeve

On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 12:22:20 +0200, "Iain M Churches"
wrote:


"Don Pearce" wrote in message
...
I even get that about new stuff - I know I can get any music I want
from the Internet, and I could ask friends to make copies of stuff,
and they would be perfect. But I want the CD. I want to spend half an
hour breaking through the shrink wrap. I want to feel the weight of
the booklet, and read all the words for no good reason. I want to see
the CD with all its printing.

Sometimes I might even listen to it!

d

For many, that is an added attraction of boxed vinyl sets.
I have both the vinyl and CD versions of "My Ladye Neville's Booke"
early keyboard music by William Byrd published in 1591.

The vinyl set (8 sides) includes a wonderful 11.5x11.5 inch
22 page book, including a colour facsimile of the original.

The CD, also has a tiny, barely readable booklet,
which pales in comparison.

Perhaps I should listen to the CD, and look at the vinyl:-)

Cordially,

Iain



An argument for boxed vinyl, certainly, but ordinary vinyl comes with
just what they can fit on the back cover, which is never much. The CD
booklet beats that every time - even when as usual it is printed in
red on a slightly lighter shade of red.

Good idea in the last para, though!

d

Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

"Iain M Churches" wrote in message
...

"Don Pearce" wrote in message
...
I even get that about new stuff - I know I can get any music I want
from the Internet, and I could ask friends to make copies of stuff,
and they would be perfect. But I want the CD. I want to spend half an
hour breaking through the shrink wrap. I want to feel the weight of
the booklet, and read all the words for no good reason. I want to see
the CD with all its printing.

Sometimes I might even listen to it!

d

For many, that is an added attraction of boxed vinyl sets.
I have both the vinyl and CD versions of "My Ladye Neville's Booke"
early keyboard music by William Byrd published in 1591.

The vinyl set (8 sides) includes a wonderful 11.5x11.5 inch
22 page book, including a colour facsimile of the original.

The CD, also has a tiny, barely readable booklet,
which pales in comparison.

Perhaps I should listen to the CD, and look at the vinyl:-)

Cordially,

Iain





Iain, the CD booklet must be read digitally. You extend a digit* to scan
just underneath the text you are reading.

* Digital Pinky (-;

Mike

"Iain M Churches" wrote in message

"Don Pearce" wrote in message
...

You really think he's going to break the seal on that record? Not a
chance! That is going to be sold again in a few years just as it is.

d

He already has:-)

Interesting. As soon as something is no longer available,
everyone wants it. He told me there were some 50 commission
bids, about the same number of telephone bids, and more than
100 people in the room.

From a British record catalogue I see that the original LP was priced
at 4s11p. So, if now sold at UKP200, it has "risen" in value 800
times.
I wonder if anyone will pay UKP12,000 for a CD in the year 2054?

So much for your false claim that he

"...bought the vinyl for the sheer musical enjoyment"

He bought and sold it as a financial gambit, unless you define buying and
selling collectables as "sheer musical enjoyment".

IOW, thanks Ian for contradicting yourself within about 3 posts!

LOL!.

"Mike Gilmour" wrote in message
...

Iain, the CD booklet must be read digitally. You extend a digit* to scan
just underneath the text you are reading.

* Digital Pinky (-;

Mike


Ahaa! thanks for the tip Mike. I put the booklet
under my bench magnifier while holding it in my hand,
and got sidetracked by my manicure,
or lack of one:-)

Iain