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Old January 22nd 05, 05:39 AM posted to uk.rec.audio
Dersu
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We all know that a certain amount of controversy exists about the benefits
or not of vastly expensive oxygen free or whatever special cables to connect
one's amplifier to one's speakers. The LS3/5a, as we all know, is a
famously accurate speaker and much beloved by a certain type of music
listener, I have had my pair for twenty years and have never found any
speakers I like better (that I could afford). This weekend I have had
occasion to remove the baffle plate from my Rogers LS3/5a speakers and what
I found provokes the following question: What is the point of expensive,
fat, super cables from the amplifier when from the banana plug receptacle to
the crossover and the speakers themselves are thin, scrawny little bits of
wire such as I wouldn't use for a 25 watt light bulb? This is what I found
in my speakers and if you doubt me I suggest you take yours apart and see
what is within. Surely if these thin little bits of wire are capable of
providing the superb sound that emanates from the speaker then a decent
piece of lamp flex will be quite suitable to connect the amp to the speaker?
What arguments can be offered to support the need for expensive cables then?

D.


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Old January 22nd 05, 07:23 AM posted to uk.rec.audio
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dersu wrote:

We all know that a certain amount of controversy exists about the benefits
or not of vastly expensive oxygen free or whatever special cables to connect
one's amplifier to one's speakers.


No controversy among the cognoscenti.

The LS3/5a, as we all know, is a
famously accurate speaker and much beloved by a certain type of music
listener, I have had my pair for twenty years and have never found any
speakers I like better (that I could afford).


Famously consistent.
Not everyone would agree about the accuracy of the BBC sound.

This weekend I have had
occasion to remove the baffle plate from my Rogers LS3/5a speakers and what
I found provokes the following question: What is the point of expensive,
fat, super cables from the amplifier when from the banana plug receptacle to
the crossover and the speakers themselves are thin, scrawny little bits of
wire such as I wouldn't use for a 25 watt light bulb?


The resistance of a wire is proportional to its length as well as the
reciprocal of its cross sectional area. Your wires are suitable.

Surely if these thin little bits of wire are capable of
providing the superb sound that emanates from the speaker then a decent
piece of lamp flex will be quite suitable to connect the amp to the speaker?


Yes. Just use the Peter Walker 5% rule.:
Cable resistance should be less than 5% of the speaker's impedance.

What arguments can be offered to support the need for expensive cables then?


Conspicuous display of wealth.

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Old January 22nd 05, 09:18 AM posted to uk.rec.audio
tony sayer
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In article , Eiron
writes
dersu wrote:

We all know that a certain amount of controversy exists about the benefits
or not of vastly expensive oxygen free or whatever special cables to connect
one's amplifier to one's speakers.


No controversy among the cognoscenti.

The LS3/5a, as we all know, is a
famously accurate speaker and much beloved by a certain type of music
listener, I have had my pair for twenty years and have never found any
speakers I like better (that I could afford).


Famously consistent.
Not everyone would agree about the accuracy of the BBC sound.


Yes, I wonder what they use as a test "reference"?....
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Tony Sayer

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Old January 22nd 05, 09:46 AM posted to uk.rec.audio
Eiron
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tony sayer wrote:

The LS3/5a, as we all know, is a
famously accurate speaker and much beloved by a certain type of music
listener, I have had my pair for twenty years and have never found any
speakers I like better (that I could afford).


Famously consistent.
Not everyone would agree about the accuracy of the BBC sound.



Yes, I wonder what they use as a test "reference"?....


Presumably the BBC presenter in the studio.
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Old January 22nd 05, 10:36 AM posted to uk.rec.audio
tony sayer
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In article , Eiron
writes
tony sayer wrote:

The LS3/5a, as we all know, is a
famously accurate speaker and much beloved by a certain type of music
listener, I have had my pair for twenty years and have never found any
speakers I like better (that I could afford).

Famously consistent.
Not everyone would agree about the accuracy of the BBC sound.



Yes, I wonder what they use as a test "reference"?....


Presumably the BBC presenter in the studio.


Yes quite. Wonder how many speaker manufacturers have the facilities
they enjoy?.
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Old January 22nd 05, 11:03 AM posted to uk.rec.audio
Dave Plowman (News)
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In article ,
tony sayer wrote:
Famously consistent.
Not everyone would agree about the accuracy of the BBC sound.


Yes, I wonder what they use as a test "reference"?....


Research Department at Kingswood Warren certainly had Quad ELS available.
And of course a decent anechoic chamber.

One reason ELS types weren't used is that they are too easily destroyed by
overloads. A VTR spooling, as the tape stayed on the head, for example.
BBC speakers had to be a compromise for all sorts of reasons. Specialist
areas like their recording studios for pop music often made use of
commercial designs.

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Old January 22nd 05, 12:04 PM posted to uk.rec.audio
Triffid
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I took my dog out for a walk.
While it was ****ing on Eiron's leg, he seemed distracted by:
dersu wrote:

Conspicuous display of wealth.


Can't think of a display much *less* conspicuous than speaker cables,
especially if they're under the carpet.

--
Despite appearances, it is still legal to put sugar on cornflakes.


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Old January 22nd 05, 02:17 PM posted to uk.rec.audio
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On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 13:04:24 -0000, "Triffid"
wrote:

Can't think of a display much *less* conspicuous than speaker cables,
especially if they're under the carpet.


The solution:

http://www.amusicdirect.com/products...ADEDCABLETOWER




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Joe Chip



rot that
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Old January 22nd 05, 02:34 PM posted to uk.rec.audio
Mike Gilmour
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"Joe Chip" wrote in message
news
On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 13:04:24 -0000, "Triffid"
wrote:

Can't think of a display much *less* conspicuous than speaker cables,
especially if they're under the carpet.


The solution:

http://www.amusicdirect.com/products...ADEDCABLETOWER




--

Joe Chip



rot that



You're own miniature National Grid system right there in your sitting room.
Just add some tiny tractors, farmers etc. for that really realistic effect
;-)


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Old January 22nd 05, 05:07 PM posted to uk.rec.audio
tony sayer
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In article , Mike Gilmour
writes

"Joe Chip" wrote in message
news
On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 13:04:24 -0000, "Triffid"
wrote:

Can't think of a display much *less* conspicuous than speaker cables,
especially if they're under the carpet.


The solution:

http://www.amusicdirect.com/products...ADEDCABLETOWER




--

Joe Chip



rot that



You're own miniature National Grid system right there in your sitting room.
Just add some tiny tractors, farmers etc. for that really realistic effect
;-)



That is just brilliant for bull****!. Remove cable smear! YES! Thats
what we've been doing wrong all these years!

CABLE SMEAR!!

Bloody hilarious!....
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Tony Sayer

 




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