I'm looking to have two pairs of biwire QED cables (which I already own)
fitted with QED Airloc Banana plugs using QED's Airloc Crimp tool. Any
suggestions on who'll give me the best deal? I'm not too fussed as to
whether it's the MK-1 or MK-2 plugs (although I'd hope the price might be a
bit lower if I go for MK-1s).

Also: one of the Biwire sets is actually four runs two strand (i.e. not
biwire) Silver Spiral 2 cable; given the gauge of the cables, will it even
be possible to crimp two strands into one banana plug at the amp end?

Thanks for the help!

Best,
Alex

"Alex Williamson" wrote in message
...
I'm looking to have two pairs of biwire QED cables (which I already own)
fitted with QED Airloc Banana plugs using QED's Airloc Crimp tool. Any
suggestions on who'll give me the best deal? I'm not too fussed as to
whether it's the MK-1 or MK-2 plugs (although I'd hope the price might be
a
bit lower if I go for MK-1s).

Also: one of the Biwire sets is actually four runs two strand (i.e. not
biwire) Silver Spiral 2 cable; given the gauge of the cables, will it even
be possible to crimp two strands into one banana plug at the amp end?

Thanks for the help!

Best,
Alex


Forgive my ignorance but what is wrong with ordinary banana plugs ?
Whats so special in these Airloc ?

AV99 wrote:
"Alex Williamson" wrote in message
...
I'm looking to have two pairs of biwire QED cables (which I already
own) fitted with QED Airloc Banana plugs using QED's Airloc Crimp
tool. Any suggestions on who'll give me the best deal? I'm not too
fussed as to whether it's the MK-1 or MK-2 plugs (although I'd hope
the price might be a bit lower if I go for MK-1s).

Also: one of the Biwire sets is actually four runs two strand (i.e.
not biwire) Silver Spiral 2 cable; given the gauge of the cables,
will it even be possible to crimp two strands into one banana plug
at the amp end?

Thanks for the help!

Best,
Alex


Forgive my ignorance but what is wrong with ordinary banana plugs ?
Whats so special in these Airloc ?

They are a very good conection between wire and plug, second only to WBT


must admit do not know what a mark2 is?



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Music is Art - Audio is Engineering
Steam is Fun

In article , Dave xxxx
wrote:
AV99 wrote:



Forgive my ignorance but what is wrong with ordinary banana plugs ?
Whats so special in these Airloc ?

They are a very good conection between wire and plug, second only to WBT

Well, 'AV99' didn't ask how the Airloc compared with WBT. He asked "what is
wrong with ordinary banana plugs?" I assume he wanted to know in what
way(s) they would be unsatisfactory where the Airloc was 'special'...

So I'll add: In what way is this "good connection between wire and plug"
established to be better than using more ordinary banana plugs?

Slainte,

Jim

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Armstrong Audio http://www.st-and.demon.co.uk/Audio/armstrong.html
Barbirolli Soc. http://www.st-and.demon.co.uk/JBSoc/JBSoc.html

Jim Lesurf wrote:
In article , Dave xxxx
wrote:

AV99 wrote:


Forgive my ignorance but what is wrong with ordinary banana plugs ?
Whats so special in these Airloc ?


They are a very good conection between wire and plug, second only to WBT


Well, 'AV99' didn't ask how the Airloc compared with WBT. He asked "what is
wrong with ordinary banana plugs?" I assume he wanted to know in what
way(s) they would be unsatisfactory where the Airloc was 'special'...

So I'll add: In what way is this "good connection between wire and plug"
established to be better than using more ordinary banana plugs?

Slainte,

Jim

They looks better on paper, what more do you want? They go well with
the Emperor's New Clothes!

Andrew

In article , Andrew Chesters
wrote:
Jim Lesurf wrote:


Well, 'AV99' didn't ask how the Airloc compared with WBT. He asked
"what is wrong with ordinary banana plugs?" I assume he wanted to know
in what way(s) they would be unsatisfactory where the Airloc was
'special'...

So I'll add: In what way is this "good connection between wire and
plug" established to be better than using more ordinary banana plugs?


They looks better on paper, what more do you want? They go well with
the Emperor's New Clothes!

FWIW I had a look at the URL that was posted. So far as I could see, it
made some claims, but provided no actual evidence, nor any relevant
explanations that seem to make sense in the context for supporting the
claims having practical relevance.

The curio is that banana plugs make a 'pressure contact' with their
sockets. As does screwing down a grub-screw connection between the wires
and the plug. Hence if this is unsatisfactory and means a grub-screw won't
do, then the implication is that banana plugs won't do at all - regardless
of if you choose to connect the cable by crimp. :-)

I'd agree that a good crimp connection can essentially cold-flow weld.
However a grub-screw comes close, and my experience is that both screw and
soldered work fine. Again, if these aren't good enough, then the amp and
speakers may be a problems as they will have solder joints in most cases, I
think.

If you don't like normal banana plugs, then my personal preference would be
simply to use the binding posts to tie down the cables directly. This tends
to be my personal favourite unless I have to keep disconnecting and
connecting, when bananas save time and effort. Simple conclusion: If banana
plugs worry you, don't use them at all. :-)

About normal for 'super cable' type sites, I'm afraid. What looks like
technobabble with no real supporting evidence I could find.

Slainte,

Jim

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Audio Misc http://www.st-and.demon.co.uk/AudioMisc/index.html
Armstrong Audio http://www.st-and.demon.co.uk/Audio/armstrong.html
Barbirolli Soc. http://www.st-and.demon.co.uk/JBSoc/JBSoc.html

AV99 wrote:
"Alex Williamson" wrote in message
...
I'm looking to have two pairs of biwire QED cables (which I already
own) fitted with QED Airloc Banana plugs using QED's Airloc Crimp
tool. Any suggestions on who'll give me the best deal? I'm not too
fussed as to whether it's the MK-1 or MK-2 plugs (although I'd hope
the price might be a bit lower if I go for MK-1s).

Also: one of the Biwire sets is actually four runs two strand (i.e.
not biwire) Silver Spiral 2 cable; given the gauge of the cables,
will it even be possible to crimp two strands into one banana plug
at the amp end?

Thanks for the help!

Best,
Alex


Forgive my ignorance but what is wrong with ordinary banana plugs ?
Whats so special in these Airloc ?


http://www.qed.co.uk/cables/speaker/airloc.html

Try Musical images they have the plugs and cripping tool and i dont believe
thay charge that much of its use.

Chris


"Alex Williamson" wrote in message
...
I'm looking to have two pairs of biwire QED cables (which I already own)
fitted with QED Airloc Banana plugs using QED's Airloc Crimp tool. Any
suggestions on who'll give me the best deal? I'm not too fussed as to
whether it's the MK-1 or MK-2 plugs (although I'd hope the price might be
a
bit lower if I go for MK-1s).

Also: one of the Biwire sets is actually four runs two strand (i.e. not
biwire) Silver Spiral 2 cable; given the gauge of the cables, will it even
be possible to crimp two strands into one banana plug at the amp end?

Thanks for the help!

Best,
Alex