In article , Michael Chare Munderscor
writes
"tony sayer" wrote in message
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In article , Michael Chare Munderscor
writes

Classical FM is only decent channel missing

It is however available by satellite. There are also a couple of good German
stations: Bayern 4 Klassik and HR Klassik on Astra 1

Yep excellent except that Radio 3 and Classic FM are over on ASTRA at
28.2 east whilst Bayern and HR are on ASTRA 19.2 bit of a bummer but
nowt two LNB's and an offset arm and Diseq switch won't sort out

Get another on Hotbird at 13 east and even more comes out of the wood
work. France Musique even, at 256 K BBC please note...some hope..

France Musique is also on Astra1 - I dont know the bit rate - or how to find
what the bit rate is!

Yes it is!.. Whoops...




Quite a number of satellite receivers provide a digital audio output. So far
I
have found very little HiFi equipment that will accept a digital input. -
Suggestions welcome.

Err No not really;( Audiolab do a nice DAC but thats not cheap Behringer
do a Rackmount one but that doesn't look that good in the living room..

Thanks.

However there is still a lot of snobbishness around having a satellite
dish. Our neighbour loves Jazz and when I told him that he could get
around 3 good Jazz stations on sat, he looked downcast when I told him
he would "have" to have a dish!.....

People associate satellite TV with Sky (and maybe football).

Not helped by the BBC 'how to get satellite' web page which says 'call sky'.
(Not such a bad deal if you dont mind the phone connection). There are very few
satellite equipment shops. Very little advertising of the Non sky options and
what there is tends to be for porn.

Quite....
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Tony Sayer

tony sayer wrote:
It's just a pity that the BBC don't want to increase the bit rates of
their services, despite the fact that they've got 200 Mbps of
capacity at their disposal on satellite, with about 80 Mbps being
used for the different regions of BBC1 and 40 Mbps being used for
BBCi, while the BBC network radio stations (e.g. all the ones on the
BBC DAB mux) have to get by with just 2 Mbps. Obviously, the BBC
could easily increase the radio stations bit rates to provide good
audio quality without affecting anything else (you wouldn't miss 0.6
Mbps off the 80 Mbps of BBC1 bandwidth), but they choose to provide
lowish bit rates, almost certainly to minimise the difference
between DAB and satellite. See:

I think your time would be better spent campaigning for Satellite
rates to be upped for serious listening use, and leave DAB to the
portable and "couldn't give a toss about the sound" market!....


AKA the Poundstretcher brigade...


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Michael Chare wrote:
"tony sayer" wrote in message
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In article , Michael Chare
Munderscor writes

Classical FM is only decent channel missing

It is however available by satellite. There are also a couple of
good German stations: Bayern 4 Klassik and HR Klassik on Astra 1

Yep excellent except that Radio 3 and Classic FM are over on ASTRA at
28.2 east whilst Bayern and HR are on ASTRA 19.2 bit of a bummer but
nowt two LNB's and an offset arm and Diseq switch won't sort out

Get another on Hotbird at 13 east and even more comes out of the wood
work. France Musique even, at 256 K BBC please note...some hope..

France Musique is also on Astra1 - I dont know the bit rate - or how
to find what the bit rate is!


I saved these pages to disc, but the website's not there any more, so I
don't know if the bit rates are still correct, but it's listed as
192kbps:

http://www.digitalradiotech.co.uk/As..._Bit_Rates.htm

Also see:

http://www.digitalradiotech.co.uk/Ho..._Bit_Rates.htm


However there is still a lot of snobbishness around having a
satellite dish. Our neighbour loves Jazz and when I told him that he
could get around 3 good Jazz stations on sat, he looked downcast
when I told him he would "have" to have a dish!.....

People associate satellite TV with Sky (and maybe football).

Not helped by the BBC 'how to get satellite' web page which says
'call sky'. (Not such a bad deal if you dont mind the phone
connection). There are very few satellite equipment shops. Very
little advertising of the Non sky options and what there is tends to
be for porn.


ITV look like they're going to sever their ties with Sky's encryption
and go free-to-air, which would make a BBC-led Freesat platform
feasible, although it'll take quite a bit of advertising to change the
general public's perception that satellite = Sky. Fingers crossed...


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On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 21:50:58 +0000, tony sayer
wrote:

Err No not really;( Audiolab do a nice DAC but thats not cheap Behringer
do a Rackmount one but that doesn't look that good in the living room..

.... but with all those LEDs, the Behringer DAC (I am assuming you are
referring to the SRC2496) saves tuning the living room lights on. :^)

One 'problem' I noticed with the Behringer DAC is that it puts out a
lot of RF noise - so much so that I can see a considerable change in
my amplifier output on a 'scope even when the DAC input is not
selected.


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Chris Isbell
Southampton, UK

In article , Chris Isbell
writes
On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 21:50:58 +0000, tony sayer
wrote:

Err No not really;( Audiolab do a nice DAC but thats not cheap Behringer
do a Rackmount one but that doesn't look that good in the living room..

... but with all those LEDs, the Behringer DAC (I am assuming you are
referring to the SRC2496) saves tuning the living room lights on. :^)

Yes thats the one.

One 'problem' I noticed with the Behringer DAC is that it puts out a
lot of RF noise - so much so that I can see a considerable change in
my amplifier output on a 'scope even when the DAC input is not
selected.


Can't say I've noticed it, but I haven't really used it much apart from
some conversions of loud compressed stuff.

I'll have a look at mine on the analyser and report back
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Tony Sayer

tony sayer wrote:

One 'problem' I noticed with the Behringer DAC is that it puts out a
lot of RF noise - so much so that I can see a considerable change in
my amplifier output on a 'scope even when the DAC input is not
selected.


Can't say I've noticed it, but I haven't really used it much apart
from some conversions of loud compressed stuff.

I'll have a look at mine on the analyser and report back

In common with all Behringer stuff, it's a little noisy and a little rough
but good value for money... ie cheap!


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"DAB sounds worse than FM" wrote in message
...

I saved these pages to disc, but the website's not there any more, so I
don't know if the bit rates are still correct, but it's listed as
192kbps:

http://www.digitalradiotech.co.uk/As..._Bit_Rates.htm

Also see:

http://www.digitalradiotech.co.uk/Ho..._Bit_Rates.htm


Thanks, I've made a copy



ITV look like they're going to sever their ties with Sky's encryption
and go free-to-air, which would make a BBC-led Freesat platform
feasible, although it'll take quite a bit of advertising to change the
general public's perception that satellite = Sky. Fingers crossed...


Mine two, although I can at least receive ITV via terrestrial analogue. I can't
get Channel 5
terrestrial analogue, any terrrestrial digital, and Channel 5 satellite is
encrypted, and possibly likely to remain so.

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Michael Chare

Michael Chare wrote:
"DAB sounds worse than FM" wrote in message
...

ITV look like they're going to sever their ties with Sky's encryption
and go free-to-air, which would make a BBC-led Freesat platform
feasible, although it'll take quite a bit of advertising to change
the general public's perception that satellite = Sky. Fingers
crossed...


Mine two,


Both of them?


although I can at least receive ITV via terrestrial
analogue. I can't get Channel 5
terrestrial analogue, any terrrestrial digital, and Channel 5
satellite is encrypted, and possibly likely to remain so.


Personally, I think a BBC/ITV-led Freesat platform is going to happen
and C4/E4 and five will end up on it too.

Something like 87% of all Freeview viewing comprises of people watching
the big 5 channels, whereas on Sky they've got hundreds of channels and
usually a fair bit of premium content to choose from, so the big 5
channels would be far better off having as many people with Freeview and
Freesat as possible, because otherwise their viewing figures will just
continue falling.


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