On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 08:30:08 -0500, GeezerSonics
wrote:

As I wrote on another reply,
" I want to work for the music, but I'm better in phisics/maths than
in music, so I thought that sound engineer (or Audio engineer) could
be the right compromise. As a recording engineer, as the one who study
the acoustic in a theater, in a concert hall, or I don't know...
mixing music, it's not so clear to me too what I want to do, but what
I know is that I want to use my rational skills for the music. Maybe
I'm a dreamer, or just ingenuos, but I'm 22 and I can still decide
what to do with my life, so... I want to try, and I need all the
informations I can have from you all "

Any suggestion will be appreciated


If your goal was to study in the US, I would suggest that you attenda
four school and obtain BSEE. Your skills in physics and math make you
perfectly suited for the coursework. There are a few engineering schools
that offer specializations in acoustics, and others in music or stage
craft.

Purdue University is well regarded for its engineering and its theater
sound programs. Penn State well known for their graduate acoustics
programs. The University of Miami has a music/engineering program.


If you obtain an engineering degree, you will be employable in a number
of fields, not limited to music or sound reinforcement.

Mixing sound is but one small facet of pretty broad industry. There are
a number of career opportunities that are pretty far from knob jockey,
but still enable you to be connected to an interesting career.

Don't waste your time going to "knob school". Get the real sheepskin. It
will increase your value to many (not all) prospective employers.


What do you mean for "knob schools" ?

"Someone Out In Space" wrote in message
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On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 13:57:34 -0400, "Phildo" wrote:


OP wanted information on audio ENGINEERING degree and you arrogantly
knocked him by implying he doesn't know the difference between audio
technician and a tonemeister.

Not at all. He said he wants to be a sound engineer. These come in many
different forms (and not all of them require a degree). He needs to be
more
specific about what he wants to do. Just saying he wants to be a "sound
engineer" doesn't cut it.


As I wrote on another reply,
" I want to work for the music, but I'm better in phisics/maths than
in music, so I thought that sound engineer (or Audio engineer) could
be the right compromise. As a recording engineer, as the one who study
the acoustic in a theater, in a concert hall, or I don't know...
mixing music, it's not so clear to me too what I want to do, but what
I know is that I want to use my rational skills for the music. Maybe
I'm a dreamer, or just ingenuos, but I'm 22 and I can still decide
what to do with my life, so... I want to try, and I need all the
informations I can have from you all "

Any suggestion will be appreciated

You haven't made it clear whether you want to be involved in live sound or
recording. If it's live sound you want to do then a degree would probably be
a waste of time. If it's recording then a degree will help but still won't
do much to get you into the industry. You do need to be more specific about
what you want to do before you waste your time getting a degree that will do
you no good in getting into the industry. This is one profession where
qualifications don't mean that much and experience does.

Phildo

In article ,
Someone Out In Space wrote:

On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 08:30:08 -0500, GeezerSonics
wrote:


Don't waste your time going to "knob school". Get the real sheepskin. It
will increase your value to many (not all) prospective employers.


What do you mean for "knob schools" ?


Full Sail.

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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In article ,
Iain M Churches wrote:
Yes - again the recording studio side tends to attract more people
who might have wanted a career in front of the microphone if things
had gone according to plan.

Or people who are good musicians but who specifically would NOT want a
career as a professional musician...

:-)))
I could have probably done either, but I chose the control room as
opposed to the studio. I like to eat regularly:-)

At one time that was true, but my side of the game is now mainly freelance
too, so lots of time to decorate the spare room. ;-)

Most of the freelances in my circle have more work than they can handle.
It's nice to be selective, and get someone else in to decorate the spare
room:-)

Iain

In article ,
Iain M Churches wrote:
At one time that was true, but my side of the game is now mainly
freelance too, so lots of time to decorate the spare room. ;-)

Most of the freelances in my circle have more work than they can handle.
It's nice to be selective, and get someone else in to decorate the spare
room:-)

Trouble is there's a fair amount of crossover between film and TV, and the
film side is very quiet at the minute.

--
*INDECISION is the key to FLEXIBILITY *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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Trouble is there's a fair amount of crossover between film and TV, and the
film side is very quiet at the minute.

Ahaa, I see. I still have an ACTT card (on the shelf at the moment,
"overseas") Does one still need this to work in the UK on films and
TV?

A huge amount of British film recording (music) was done in
Hilversum at one time, due to an British MU union ban on what
they called library tracks.

I am happy to go off on a recording gig. I hate decorating:-))

Iain

"Joe Kotroczo" wrote in message
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Phil, the issue is linguistical. While I have absolutely no problem
calling
myself a "sound engineer" in English, I would never dare to call myself a
"Toningenieur" in German. In German, for example, "Ingenieur" is a title
that is comparable in status and usage with "Doktor".


Hello Jo,

I have just been checking some Decca International
classical CD's and vinyl on which I have engineering credits.
The printed professional job titles are as follows:

Producer/Directeur artistique/Aufnahmeleiter
Sound engineer/Ingenieur du son/Toningenieur

Iain

In article ,
Iain M Churches wrote:
Trouble is there's a fair amount of crossover between film and TV, and
the film side is very quiet at the minute.

Ahaa, I see. I still have an ACTT card (on the shelf at the moment,
"overseas") Does one still need this to work in the UK on films and
TV?

No - it would be against UK law, sadly. At one time, the possession of a
'ticket' and the requirement to have one to work in a craft pretty well
guaranteed at least basic competence.

These days children are given near domestic cameras with a built in mic
and the results end up on air.

A huge amount of British film recording (music) was done in
Hilversum at one time, due to an British MU union ban on what
they called library tracks.

The MU was certainly powerful. And such power is easily abused if just
used to 'protect' their members.

These days it's organisations like CORGI that have similar powers in their
field, but justify them on the grounds of 'safety'.

I am happy to go off on a recording gig. I hate decorating:-))

Likewise. But all the other things around the house like wiring, plumbing
and carpentry etc, I actually rather enjoy.

--
*Gargling is a good way to see if your throat leaks.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Iain M Churches wrote:
Trouble is there's a fair amount of crossover between film and TV, and
the film side is very quiet at the minute.

Ahaa, I see. I still have an ACTT card (on the shelf at the moment,
"overseas") Does one still need this to work in the UK on films and
TV?

No - it would be against UK law, sadly. At one time, the possession of a
'ticket' and the requirement to have one to work in a craft pretty well
guaranteed at least basic competence.

Yes, I can recall going to a film mix session in Wardour street, and being
asked for my ticket at the door.


These days children are given near domestic cameras with a built in mic
and the results end up on air.

Hmm. That's pretty depressing. I suppose that happens in the record
business a lot too. Lots of home and project studios.


A huge amount of British film recording (music) was done in
Hilversum at one time, due to an British MU union ban on what
they called library tracks.

The MU was certainly powerful. And such power is easily abused if just
used to 'protect' their members.

I am sure the ban must have been lifted sooner or later.
It did a great deal to raise the standards of musicianship in Holland.
The Hilversum Radio Orchestra were kept very busy.
Recordings were done in a church at a small village
called Lunen. The traffic noise was such that we could only
work at night. A couple of weeks there was highly remunerative:-)

These days it's organisations like CORGI that have similar powers in their
field, but justify them on the grounds of 'safety'.

Don't know anything about them, sorry :-((

I am happy to go off on a recording gig. I hate decorating:-))

Likewise. But all the other things around the house like wiring, plumbing
and carpentry etc, I actually rather enjoy.

You sound like you would be a useful chap at a film studio:-)
Those are indeed pleasant pursuits, but I would rather be tinkering with a
valve amp:-)

Iain

In article ,
Iain M Churches wrote:
These days children are given near domestic cameras with a built in mic
and the results end up on air.

Hmm. That's pretty depressing. I suppose that happens in the record
business a lot too. Lots of home and project studios.

Slightly different, IMHO. You at least get the choice whether to buy the
end result or not.

When paying the TV licence fee which funds the BBC and this sort of crap
gets forced upon you, what do you do?

--
*If only you'd use your powers for good instead of evil.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.