"Joe Kotroczo" wrote in message
...
Phil, the issue is linguistical. While I have absolutely no problem
calling
myself a "sound engineer" in English, I would never dare to call myself a
"Toningenieur" in German. In German, for example, "Ingenieur" is a title
that is comparable in status and usage with "Doktor".

Well now we're all part of the same union, the sooner the rest of you Euros
fall in line with the proper (ie British) way of doing things the better ;-)

Phildo

On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 01:14:44 -0400, "Phildo" wrote:

"Joe Kotroczo" wrote in message
...
Phil, the issue is linguistical. While I have absolutely no problem
calling
myself a "sound engineer" in English, I would never dare to call myself a
"Toningenieur" in German. In German, for example, "Ingenieur" is a title
that is comparable in status and usage with "Doktor".

Well now we're all part of the same union, the sooner the rest of you Euros
fall in line with the proper (ie British) way of doing things the better ;-)

Actually, the European (and US) way *is* the proper way, it's the
Brits who sneer at engineers. Interesting, given how much of Britain's
previous Greatness relied on British engineering skills and
inventions.
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

"Stewart Pinkerton" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 01:14:44 -0400, "Phildo" wrote:

"Joe Kotroczo" wrote in message
...
Phil, the issue is linguistical. While I have absolutely no problem
calling
myself a "sound engineer" in English, I would never dare to call myself
a
"Toningenieur" in German. In German, for example, "Ingenieur" is a title
that is comparable in status and usage with "Doktor".

Well now we're all part of the same union, the sooner the rest of you
Euros
fall in line with the proper (ie British) way of doing things the better
;-)

Actually, the European (and US) way *is* the proper way,

Says who?

it's the
Brits who sneer at engineers. Interesting, given how much of Britain's
previous Greatness relied on British engineering skills and
inventions.

Yeah, we produced the greatest engineers the world has ever known so we
should decide how the term is used.

Phildo

On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 15:46:33 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

In article ,
Someone Out In Space wrote:
Yes I just wanted to know which is the best sound Engineering
degree, because I think I have the skills to become an audio engineer,
not a simple technician. I want to learn to do, why to do, how to do,
and I want to have a wider range oj jobs involved in
audio/sound/acoustic I can do, 'cos I know there are few job places
(at least here in Italy, but I can consider to work everywhere, at
least at the beginning).

I'm still unclear exactly what you mean. Do you wish to design, build and
or repair audio equipment, or 'merely' use it?

Both, I want a degree that can teach me the most possible. I want to
work for the music, but I'm better in phisics/maths than in music, so
I thought that sound engineer (or Audio engineer) could be the right
compromise. As a recording engineer, as the one who study the acoustic
in a theater, in a concert hall, or I don't know... mixing music, it's
not so clear to me too what I want to do, but what I know is that I
want to use my rational skills for the music. Maybe I'm a dreamer, or
just ingenuos, but I'm 22 and I can still decide what to do with my
life, so... I want to try, and I need all the informations I can have
from you all

If you intend being what is commonly known as a sound engineer in the UK,
here's a list.

TV, radio, films, post production, recording studios (including location
recording for sale as CD) theatre and live music events. There are some
who work in more than one field, but most specialise. And within all of
those fields, there is even more specialisation. For example in TV,
different people might specialise in studio, outside broadcast (mainly
sports) and location recording (mainly drama) Documentaries are also a
specialised field.

Thank you all once again!

Gianluca

On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 20:31:56 +0100, Joe Kotroczo
wrote:

On 23/03/05 18:57, in article , "Phildo"
wrote:

In Europe you are not an Engineer without formal four year university
degree, regardles of the profession.

Ahem, complete and utter ********.


Nice argument.

You spoke complete and utter ******** and I call them as I see them. I know
loads of sound engineers without degrees and none of them have any problems
with using the term.

Phil, the issue is linguistical. While I have absolutely no problem calling
myself a "sound engineer" in English, I would never dare to call myself a
"Toningenieur" in German. In German, for example, "Ingenieur" is a title
that is comparable in status and usage with "Doktor".


Joe


In italy too, engineer is comparable to "Doctor"

In article ,
Someone Out In Space wrote:
I'm still unclear exactly what you mean. Do you wish to design, build
and or repair audio equipment, or 'merely' use it?

Both, I want a degree that can teach me the most possible.

I'd be very surprised if a course anywhere covered both to degree level.

--
*Forget the Joneses, I keep us up with the Simpsons.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

"justin" wrote in message
...
In article , Phildo
wrote:




Easier way would be to do a basic course like the C&G182
first then get job experience. That would be how it works for most sound
engineering jobs. If you want to do studio design or acoustic consultancy
then go for the tonmeister.

Mate, dude, you have absolutely no clue what these terms represent. Get
some education, get back and we'll talk. And stop offering advices -
clearly you're the one who could use them the most.

I know full well what these terms represent as far as my industry goes. Read
what the OP has posted. He wants to be a "sound engineer". That can mean a
myriad of things. He needs to be more specific as to what he wants to do. I
post from alt.audio.pro.live-sound specific to the live industry where a
degree means ****-all and an engineer is anyone who uses the board among
others.

Get off your high horse and lose the snobbish attitude you sanctimonious
**** and realise that your world is not the only one out there.

As for offering advice, I've been doing it on here for many years (from day
one of this newsgroup) and will continue to do to those that need education
like yourself.

Phildo

On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 13:57:34 -0400, "Phildo" wrote:


OP wanted information on audio ENGINEERING degree and you arrogantly
knocked him by implying he doesn't know the difference between audio
technician and a tonemeister.

Not at all. He said he wants to be a sound engineer. These come in many
different forms (and not all of them require a degree). He needs to be more
specific about what he wants to do. Just saying he wants to be a "sound
engineer" doesn't cut it.


As I wrote on another reply,
" I want to work for the music, but I'm better in phisics/maths than
in music, so I thought that sound engineer (or Audio engineer) could
be the right compromise. As a recording engineer, as the one who study
the acoustic in a theater, in a concert hall, or I don't know...
mixing music, it's not so clear to me too what I want to do, but what
I know is that I want to use my rational skills for the music. Maybe
I'm a dreamer, or just ingenuos, but I'm 22 and I can still decide
what to do with my life, so... I want to try, and I need all the
informations I can have from you all "

Any suggestion will be appreciated

Thank you!!!

Gianluca

"Someone Out In Space" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 15:46:33 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

In article ,
Someone Out In Space wrote:
Yes I just wanted to know which is the best sound Engineering
degree, because I think I have the skills to become an audio engineer,
not a simple technician. I want to learn to do, why to do, how to do,
and I want to have a wider range oj jobs involved in
audio/sound/acoustic I can do, 'cos I know there are few job places
(at least here in Italy, but I can consider to work everywhere, at
least at the beginning).

I'm still unclear exactly what you mean. Do you wish to design, build and
or repair audio equipment, or 'merely' use it?

Both, I want a degree that can teach me the most possible. I want to
work for the music, but I'm better in phisics/maths than in music, so
I thought that sound engineer (or Audio engineer) could be the right
compromise. As a recording engineer, as the one who study the acoustic
in a theater, in a concert hall, or I don't know... mixing music, it's
not so clear to me too what I want to do, but what I know is that I
want to use my rational skills for the music. Maybe I'm a dreamer, or
just ingenuos, but I'm 22 and I can still decide what to do with my
life, so... I want to try, and I need all the informations I can have
from you all

If you want to become a live engineer mixing music for concerts then forget
about the degree and work your way up in the real world. It will be useful
as a recording engineer but there are specific courses for this. You need to
be more specific in what you want to do before you choose a course to go on.

Phildo

As I wrote on another reply,
" I want to work for the music, but I'm better in phisics/maths than
in music, so I thought that sound engineer (or Audio engineer) could
be the right compromise. As a recording engineer, as the one who study
the acoustic in a theater, in a concert hall, or I don't know...
mixing music, it's not so clear to me too what I want to do, but what
I know is that I want to use my rational skills for the music. Maybe
I'm a dreamer, or just ingenuos, but I'm 22 and I can still decide
what to do with my life, so... I want to try, and I need all the
informations I can have from you all "

Any suggestion will be appreciated


If your goal was to study in the US, I would suggest that you attenda
four school and obtain BSEE. Your skills in physics and math make you
perfectly suited for the coursework. There are a few engineering schools
that offer specializations in acoustics, and others in music or stage
craft.

Purdue University is well regarded for its engineering and its theater
sound programs. Penn State well known for their graduate acoustics
programs. The University of Miami has a music/engineering program.


If you obtain an engineering degree, you will be employable in a number
of fields, not limited to music or sound reinforcement.

Mixing sound is but one small facet of pretty broad industry. There are
a number of career opportunities that are pretty far from knob jockey,
but still enable you to be connected to an interesting career.

Don't waste your time going to "knob school". Get the real sheepskin. It
will increase your value to many (not all) prospective employers.