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Old March 28th 05, 07:11 PM posted to uk.rec.audio
DAB sounds worse than FM
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Keith G wrote:

I will run this little puppy and see how I get on with 'DAB'. If I can
overcome my own 'prejudices' and learn to love it, I will consider
summat with a little more 'inbuilt quality' and recording/time shift
facilites at a later date



Remember that the bit rates of the radio stations on Freeview, digital
satellite and cable are higher than on DAB, so the audio quality is also
higher than on DAB.

For archiving digital radio the best thing you can get is a Freeview or
digital satellite PC card, because they stream the received MPEG
bitstream directly to your hard drive.


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Old March 28th 05, 08:34 PM posted to uk.rec.audio
Chris Morriss
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than FM writes
Keith G wrote:

I will run this little puppy and see how I get on with 'DAB'. If I can
overcome my own 'prejudices' and learn to love it, I will consider
summat with a little more 'inbuilt quality' and recording/time shift
facilites at a later date



Remember that the bit rates of the radio stations on Freeview, digital
satellite and cable are higher than on DAB, so the audio quality is also
higher than on DAB.

For archiving digital radio the best thing you can get is a Freeview or
digital satellite PC card, because they stream the received MPEG
bitstream directly to your hard drive.



I'd like to get the increased number of radio channels broadcast by DAB
(although I fear that they'll just be more dumbed-down BBC drivel) but
what I've heard of it so far doesn't make me want to pay much for the
privilege! I've only heard three DAB tuners, but in all of them the
audio quality is poorer than FM. (Except on R3, and it would be useful
to get a SPDIF feed to my minidisc to record Late Junction, so perhaps a
DAB tuner would be useful for this.)

A Freeview feed might be better, but I'm a Luddite who doesn't have a
television, and if I put an antenna up, Blair's thought police will be
round asking why I don't have a licence to watch the BBC relaying his
party's propaganda streams.

If I bought a DAB tuner, what's the consensus regarding a reasonable
one? (Not too much money, less than £250 if possible)
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Old March 29th 05, 09:39 AM posted to uk.rec.audio
Dave Plowman (News)
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Chris Morriss wrote:
A Freeview feed might be better, but I'm a Luddite who doesn't have a
television, and if I put an antenna up, Blair's thought police will be
round asking why I don't have a licence to watch the BBC relaying his
party's propaganda streams.


If you don't have a TV, you don't need a licence. The aerial doesn't
matter. However, I think you have to give your address when buying a
Freeview box - so perhaps get a friend to do it for you, because that
address is meant to go to the licensing people.

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Old March 29th 05, 10:26 AM posted to uk.rec.audio
tony sayer
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I'd like to get the increased number of radio channels broadcast by DAB
(although I fear that they'll just be more dumbed-down BBC drivel) but
what I've heard of it so far doesn't make me want to pay much for the
privilege! I've only heard three DAB tuners, but in all of them the
audio quality is poorer than FM. (Except on R3, and it would be useful
to get a SPDIF feed to my minidisc to record Late Junction, so perhaps a
DAB tuner would be useful for this.)


The only prog on DAB worthy of serious listening quality is BBC radio 3
at 192K bits. Freeview and satellite match this, but allow higher bit
rates on the other services. The DAB portable is, well just that, a
portable with small speakers because there isn't much to hide!(..

A Freeview feed might be better, but I'm a Luddite who doesn't have a
television, and if I put an antenna up, Blair's thought police will be
round asking why I don't have a licence to watch the BBC relaying his
party's propaganda streams.


Thats up 2 U. But you'd be far better off spending you money on a cheap
DTV freeview receiver, assuming you have an aerial and are served by a
DTV transmitter. ASDA have one for around 39 quid, and very good for
that money it is too..

If I bought a DAB tuner, what's the consensus regarding a reasonable
one? (Not too much money, less than £250 if possible)


As above for serious listening their ****e. Reduced MP2 bit rates make
for **** poor audio quality. It doesn't really matter about whet the
receiver can do Chris, the qualities fecked long before it gets to you.


Mind you, if you really want more very high quality audio a digital
satellite receiver, NOT a Sky digibox, with a dual LNB can be had for
less than that sort of money. Enjoy the delights of France Musique,
Bayern4 Klassick, Concertzender, NDR kulture, hr Klassick and not to
mention Paris Jazz, Swiss Jazz and Berlin Jazz, they even have outside
broadcasts from the Marriot hotel on the Potsdamer Platz!. When's the
last time the English Smooth/Jazz FM did that?.

Thats real radio, and that Orgelkonzert the other week from Bayern as
good as a CD where the missing bits from linear PCM to 256 K were more
than made up with the German engineering standards..

Absolutely stunning)

****es all over UK T-DAB...


Why, even our Keith could get a dish hidden out in his yard somewhere
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Old March 29th 05, 01:46 PM posted to uk.rec.audio
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"tony sayer" wrote


The only prog on DAB worthy of serious listening quality is BBC radio 3
at 192K bits.



Ah....

I would have agreed with you up 'til this morning or perhaps have argued
that R2 is so 'in yer face' it also appears to sound OK(ish)....??

But, having had 'Prime Time' on all morning with stuff like 'There's a
pawnshop on a corner in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.' (whatever it's properly
called) and 'Put another nickel in' (my little Nickelodeon) coming at me
like top quality AM from way back (when life was good), I'm prepared to
widen my 'angle of acceptability' a tad.

The *fun* element has skated right over any concerns about quality and it
has been a blast - perfect background music for dilling around, avoiding
doing anything *actually* useful....!! :-)


Freeview and satellite match this, but allow higher bit
rates on the other services. The DAB portable is, well just that, a
portable with small speakers because there isn't much to hide!(..



FWIW, the one I've got sounds perfectly fine as a 'little trannie' in a
'little trannie' sort of way. It's not as 'tinny' as a lot of 'tinny
trannies' I've heard in my time!! :-)

(Academic to me though - I've got it going through my system, using the Line
Out which is how I will use it mostly....)


Mind you, if you really want more very high quality audio a digital
satellite receiver, NOT a Sky digibox, with a dual LNB can be had for
less than that sort of money. Enjoy the delights of France Musique,
Bayern4 Klassick, Concertzender, NDR kulture, hr Klassick and not to
mention Paris Jazz, Swiss Jazz and Berlin Jazz, they even have outside
broadcasts from the Marriot hotel on the Potsdamer Platz!. When's the
last time the English Smooth/Jazz FM did that?.

Thats real radio, and that Orgelkonzert the other week from Bayern as
good as a CD where the missing bits from linear PCM to 256 K were more
than made up with the German engineering standards..

Absolutely stunning)



Sounds all very temptatious but when would anyone get the bloody time to
listen to it??


****es all over UK T-DAB...


Why, even our Keith could get a dish hidden out in his yard somewhere



I won't rule it out. Whilst I'm not *happy* about it - this little DABchick
is such a sweetie (couple of obscure puns in there for the thickies...) and
so damned handy I think I'm about to drop me kecks and grease up for
'digital radio' generally....

I see it being rather like the digital camera I've got - I don't think it is
as good (deep down) as a decent 'film camera' other than it's as handy as a
Swiss Army knife and in the couple of years I've had it, I appear to have
taken.....
............
.........
......
....

wait for it......
...........
........
......
....
...

summat like 50,000 pix!!!

Can't be right, but check the 'filenames' of these, my first and last shots
to date:

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/L1000001.jpg

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/L1050801.jpg

????

(I don't believe it myself!!)

A final point - when one has a lot of valve gear and turntables 'flat
surfaces' are at a premium and 'stacking' is out of the question. A 'tuner'
isn't much use to me and I wouldn't now want to be without the 'portability'
of the little radio I've got. Anyone wanting to get into DAB would, I think,
be well advised to consider something similar rather than dropping an
unnecessarily large amount of money on a so-called 'audiophile' slice of
'hifi' kit. I've had the Technics DAB tuner (on and off) and I don't think
there's really any difference. (How could there be - it's 'digital'...!!!)

NP: Walking Back To Happiness (Helen Shapiro?)

# Whoop I oh yeah yeah... #

:-)



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Old March 29th 05, 05:01 PM posted to uk.rec.audio
Wally
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Keith G wrote:

I won't rule it out. Whilst I'm not *happy* about it - this little
DABchick is such a sweetie (couple of obscure puns in there for the
thickies...)


The only question is, would a shotgun or a large mallet be more satisfying?


... and so damned handy I think I'm about to drop me kecks
and grease up for 'digital radio' generally....


Resistance is futile. We are Borg. You will be assimilated...


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Old March 29th 05, 05:36 PM posted to uk.rec.audio
Keith G
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"Wally" wrote in message
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Keith G wrote:

I won't rule it out. Whilst I'm not *happy* about it - this little
DABchick is such a sweetie (couple of obscure puns in there for the
thickies...)


The only question is, would a shotgun or a large mallet be more
satisfying?


... and so damned handy I think I'm about to drop me kecks
and grease up for 'digital radio' generally....


Resistance is futile. We are Borg. You will be assimilated...


:-)


Just for you Wally:

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show...ot%20Again.avi


(I'm sure you will have seen it, but watch it full-screen - it cracks me up
every time!! :-)

(It's 'close' - IYSWIM.... :-)






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Old March 29th 05, 10:34 PM posted to uk.rec.audio
Wally
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Default Yabba DABba doo!! :-)

Keith G wrote:

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show...ot%20Again.avi

(I'm sure you will have seen it, but watch it full-screen - it cracks
me up every time!! :-)


I haven't seen that particular version, but the filename says it all.


(It's 'close' - IYSWIM.... :-)


All it's missing is a loud bang and a bright red flash...


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Old March 29th 05, 06:23 PM posted to uk.rec.audio
DAB sounds worse than FM
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Keith G wrote:

But, having had 'Prime Time' on all morning with stuff like 'There's a
pawnshop on a corner in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.' (whatever it's
properly called) and 'Put another nickel in' (my little Nickelodeon)
coming at me like top quality AM from way back (when life was good),
I'm prepared to widen my 'angle of acceptability' a tad.

The *fun* element has skated right over any concerns about quality
and it has been a blast - perfect background music for dilling
around, avoiding doing anything *actually* useful....!! :-)



BTW, Prime Time is 128kbps on DAB and 192kbps on digital satellite,
therefore far better audio quality on digital satellite.



--
Steve - www.digitalradiotech.co.uk - Digital Radio News & Info

Find the cheapest Freeview, DAB & MP3 Player Prices:
http://www.digitalradiotech.co.uk/fr..._receivers.htm
http://www.digitalradiotech.co.uk/da...tal_radios.htm
http://www.digitalradiotech.co.uk/mp...rs_1GB-5GB.htm
http://www.digitalradiotech.co.uk/mp...e_capacity.htm


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Old March 29th 05, 11:24 PM posted to uk.rec.audio
Keith G
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"DAB sounds worse than FM" wrote in message
...
Keith G wrote:

But, having had 'Prime Time' on all morning with stuff like 'There's a
pawnshop on a corner in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.' (whatever it's
properly called) and 'Put another nickel in' (my little Nickelodeon)
coming at me like top quality AM from way back (when life was good),
I'm prepared to widen my 'angle of acceptability' a tad.

The *fun* element has skated right over any concerns about quality
and it has been a blast - perfect background music for dilling
around, avoiding doing anything *actually* useful....!! :-)



BTW, Prime Time is 128kbps on DAB and 192kbps on digital satellite,
therefore far better audio quality on digital satellite.




Fair comment Steve, but much of the appeal is the 'portability' atm - I can
move it here and there and 'plug it in' where I want.

(It even worked fine on the passenger seat in my car the other day!!)





 




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