I own a very old Sony CDP - 990 CD player, which has served me brilliantly
for more years than I care to remember. However, last year, I visited Richer
Sounds for one of their Sunday clearance sales and picked up a Sony DVP
S735D for just £30. Looking at the unit, it appeared to had never been
plugged in and the manual and remote were still in their sealed packaging.
The 735 received rave reviews a few years ago and cost around £500. After
setting it up, I found the picture quality superb. However, a couple of
nights ago, I happened to drop a CD into the 735 and quite frankly, was
knocked out by the sound quality reproduced by this primarily DVD player.

Anyone else found DVD players as good or better than CD players for playing
CD's?

Cheers all
tox

"tox" wrote in message
...
I own a very old Sony CDP - 990 CD player, which has served me brilliantly
for more years than I care to remember. However, last year, I visited
Richer
Sounds for one of their Sunday clearance sales and picked up a Sony DVP
S735D for just £30. Looking at the unit, it appeared to had never been
plugged in and the manual and remote were still in their sealed packaging.
The 735 received rave reviews a few years ago and cost around £500. After
setting it up, I found the picture quality superb. However, a couple of
nights ago, I happened to drop a CD into the 735 and quite frankly, was
knocked out by the sound quality reproduced by this primarily DVD player.

Anyone else found DVD players as good or better than CD players for
playing
CD's?



Yep. Plenty of them, in particular the Pioneer DV-575a is very good and will
play damn near *anything* and is only about a hundred spons.

(HFN doesn't seem to rate it much for CD though..... ;-)

On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 18:33:40 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:

"tox" wrote in message
...
I own a very old Sony CDP - 990 CD player, which has served me brilliantly
for more years than I care to remember. However, last year, I visited
Richer
Sounds for one of their Sunday clearance sales and picked up a Sony DVP
S735D for just £30. Looking at the unit, it appeared to had never been
plugged in and the manual and remote were still in their sealed packaging.
The 735 received rave reviews a few years ago and cost around £500. After
setting it up, I found the picture quality superb. However, a couple of
nights ago, I happened to drop a CD into the 735 and quite frankly, was
knocked out by the sound quality reproduced by this primarily DVD player.

Anyone else found DVD players as good or better than CD players for
playing
CD's?

Yep. Plenty of them, in particular the Pioneer DV-575a is very good and will
play damn near *anything* and is only about a hundred spons.

(HFN doesn't seem to rate it much for CD though..... ;-)

HFN is sadly declined these days. I recently bought a 575A to replace
my trusty 515 for movies, and on CD it's sonically indistinguishable
from the Meridian 588. That's good enough for me..................
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

"Stewart Pinkerton" wrote in message
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On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 18:33:40 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:

"tox" wrote in message
...
I own a very old Sony CDP - 990 CD player, which has served me
brilliantly
for more years than I care to remember. However, last year, I visited
Richer
Sounds for one of their Sunday clearance sales and picked up a Sony DVP
S735D for just £30. Looking at the unit, it appeared to had never been
plugged in and the manual and remote were still in their sealed
packaging.
The 735 received rave reviews a few years ago and cost around £500.
After
setting it up, I found the picture quality superb. However, a couple of
nights ago, I happened to drop a CD into the 735 and quite frankly, was
knocked out by the sound quality reproduced by this primarily DVD
player.

Anyone else found DVD players as good or better than CD players for
playing
CD's?

Yep. Plenty of them, in particular the Pioneer DV-575a is very good and
will
play damn near *anything* and is only about a hundred spons.

(HFN doesn't seem to rate it much for CD though..... ;-)

HFN is sadly declined these days. I recently bought a 575A to replace
my trusty 515 for movies, and on CD it's sonically indistinguishable
from the Meridian 588. That's good enough for me..................

**The Meridian must be crap then. I suggest you perform several, simple
actions on your Pie-in-ear.

* Dump the muting transistors. Use nothing, or relays.
* Dump the output ICs and use something decent.
* Dump the series resistors after the output ICs.

Those actions will bring your Pie-in-ear up the level of a Rotel RCD951.


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 07:44:29 +1000, "Trevor Wilson"
wrote:


"Stewart Pinkerton" wrote in message
.. .
On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 18:33:40 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:

"tox" wrote in message
...

Anyone else found DVD players as good or better than CD players for
playing
CD's?

Yep. Plenty of them, in particular the Pioneer DV-575a is very good and will
play damn near *anything* and is only about a hundred spons.

(HFN doesn't seem to rate it much for CD though..... ;-)

HFN is sadly declined these days. I recently bought a 575A to replace
my trusty 515 for movies, and on CD it's sonically indistinguishable
from the Meridian 588. That's good enough for me..................

**The Meridian must be crap then. I suggest you perform several, simple
actions on your Pie-in-ear.

The Meridian is widely regarded as the state of the art in CD replay.
Your pathetic namecalling is not evidence of a problem with the
Pioneer.

* Dump the muting transistors. Use nothing, or relays.
* Dump the output ICs and use something decent.
* Dump the series resistors after the output ICs.

Those actions will bring your Pie-in-ear up the level of a Rotel RCD951.

How about dumping your idiotic opinions? Indeed, how about actually
*listening*, instead of just banging on?
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

"Stewart Pinkerton" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 07:44:29 +1000, "Trevor Wilson"
wrote:


"Stewart Pinkerton" wrote in message
. ..
On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 18:33:40 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:

"tox" wrote in message
...

Anyone else found DVD players as good or better than CD players for
playing
CD's?

Yep. Plenty of them, in particular the Pioneer DV-575a is very good and
will
play damn near *anything* and is only about a hundred spons.

(HFN doesn't seem to rate it much for CD though..... ;-)

HFN is sadly declined these days. I recently bought a 575A to replace
my trusty 515 for movies, and on CD it's sonically indistinguishable
from the Meridian 588. That's good enough for me..................

**The Meridian must be crap then. I suggest you perform several, simple
actions on your Pie-in-ear.

The Meridian is widely regarded as the state of the art in CD replay.

**That has been my experience.

Your pathetic namecalling is not evidence of a problem with the
Pioneer.

**Lighten up Lord Pinkerton. I'm just having fun with the name.


* Dump the muting transistors. Use nothing, or relays.
* Dump the output ICs and use something decent.
* Dump the series resistors after the output ICs.

Those actions will bring your Pie-in-ear up the level of a Rotel RCD951.

How about dumping your idiotic opinions? Indeed, how about actually
*listening*, instead of just banging on?

**No need. The output stage of the Pie-in-ear is the same as that used in a
thousand other cheap DVD players. They all benefit from rudimentary mods.

And, to answer your next question, I have done the obligatory blind tests.
The results were a very convincing 100%. Not subtle at all.


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

As yet another owner of a Pioneer DV-575A I am curious about what the
above modifications will achieve and why?

"andy" wrote in message
oups.com...
As yet another owner of a Pioneer DV-575A I am curious about what the
above modifications will achieve and why?

**Output muting, via the use of BJTs has always been a sonic disaster, IME.
A relay contributes no distortion, whilst in the O/C mode. The output IC
used, whilst adequate, is hardly state of the art. Output ICs in 1983 (ie:
First generation) CD players were superior. In Philips derived machines,
that usually meant an NE5532/5534 chip. A fine chip, back then and still a
fine chip today. There are two, 220 Ohm resistors in series with each O/P
IC. These should be shorted (after replacing the ICs with a more suitable
device, of course). A 440 Ohm output impedance is pitifully high.
Additionally, it would be nice to organise a spilt rail power supply, for
the output IC. At present, it is powered by a single rail supply, thus a
large electrolytic coupling cap is required.

I suggest anyone who is interested, to compare the 575A to a decent,
contemporary CD (only) player, such as a Rotel RCD951 and report on any
differences.


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

"Trevor Wilson" wrote in message

"Stewart Pinkerton" wrote in message
...

HFN is sadly declined these days.

All those sighted listening evaluations have ruined their ears.

I recently bought a 575A to replace
my trusty 515 for movies, and on CD it's sonically
indistinguishable
from the Meridian 588. That's good enough for me.

I have the predecessor 563. As Keith says it will play darn near
anything in its native mode.

**The Meridian must be crap then. I suggest you perform several,
simple actions on your Pie-in-ear.

Here comes the knee-jerk tweako-freako violence with a soldering iron:

* Dump the muting transistors. Use nothing, or relays.

Why?

* Dump the output ICs and use something decent.

Why?

* Dump the series resistors after the output ICs.

Why?

Those actions will bring your Pie-in-ear up the level of a Rotel
RCD951.

Where's the reliable evidence that the Rotel sounds better or even any
different than a 563, 575 or whatever?

"Stewart Pinkerton" wrote


Anyone else found DVD players as good or better than CD players for
playing
CD's?

Yep. Plenty of them, in particular the Pioneer DV-575a is very good and
will
play damn near *anything* and is only about a hundred spons.

(HFN doesn't seem to rate it much for CD though..... ;-)

HFN is sadly declined these days. I recently bought a 575A to replace
my trusty 515 for movies, and on CD it's sonically indistinguishable
from the Meridian 588. That's good enough for me..................


Yes, I bought mine to replace a DV-350 (to get Progressive Scan and
Component Out - I'm not interested in multichannel sound) and even the dear
old 350 is plenty good enough for me on CD and MP3s....