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"Dave Plowman" wrote in message ...

No it doesn't - don't you ever read anything here? You can transcribe an
LP to CD and I defy anyone to tell the difference.

I've tried this and found degradation.

Tim

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Tim Anderson wrote:
No it doesn't - don't you ever read anything here? You can transcribe
an LP to CD and I defy anyone to tell the difference.

I've tried this and found degradation.

You're probably using a poor sound card - they're not all the same.

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On Tue, 8 Jul 2003 12:36:37 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:

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Tell you what Julian, drag your CDP and a few disks round to mine and we'll
have a 'shoot out' (or 'Circle Jerk' as it is known in some quarters)

I wonder why

- I'm
fully prepared to put my needle where my mouth is.

Warning - my £350 'Disco Deck' and cheapo Ortofon cart held off and still
had a slight edge over the best (£3K) CDP I have ever heard, my new £1,350
RPM9/Shure V15 rig will blow your CDs into the weeds, I promise you. - You
will tell me that, however, I *never* make these claims, I leave it to the
'victims'! (Never failed yet! ;-)

Contact me off-group and we'll do it on the sly. I never mention it here -
one of the less regular posters here popped in last week to hear the killer
'valves & vinyl' combination. He didn't even say he liked it (already a
confirmed 'vinylist' mind) but he made it plain he would call in again
'soon' with more LPs*. (I can only assume he didn't 'hate' it too
much.....???? :-)

.... see my previous comments about religious fervour -- do you expect
me to have some kind of Road to Damascus experience?? I'm not going
to insult your preferences by asserting that *if only* you could hear
the X- Y- and Z- factors of CD reproduction you're suddenly going to
be convinced that it really is, after all, a better medium than vinyl.
I've heard enough medium- and high-end vinyl systems to know what they
sound like, thanks very much.

Julian


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"Dave Plowman" wrote in message
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Ray Keattch wrote:
The next night we sat in front of the deck for a couple of hours. First
thing was 'blimey dad - that bass is really deep'! They then started
talking about 'lifelike', 'live', 'like being there' - why?

If their description of the bass 'being really deep' on your record
player, but not on your CD, one is faulty - forget any nuances. If it
happens on all nominally the same recordings.


Neither the CD or deck are flawed.

If you listen to CD for a while and then go to vinyl, it will sound coloured
but very weighty. If you listen to vinyl for a while and then go to CD, it
will sound tinny and flat.

The ears have to 'de-tune' from one format, before the other will sound
good.

MrBitsy.

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"Tim Anderson" wrote in message
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"Dave Plowman" wrote in message
...

If it were more lifelike than CD then it would be able to imitate live
sounds better. This it certainly can't, in any test you care to try
where
direct comparison, rather than your poor hearing memory, is involved.

I'd like to try this direct comparison. How do I go about it?

Tim

Whatever you do, make sure you give enough time for your ears to 'de-tune'
from one format, before listening to the other.

Both the CD and vinyl will sound pretty dire when you swap!

MrBitsy.

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On Wed, 9 Jul 2003 08:41:27 +0100, "Ray Keattch"
wrote:

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If you listen to CD for a while and then go to vinyl, it will sound coloured
but very weighty. If you listen to vinyl for a while and then go to CD, it
will sound tinny and flat.

The ears have to 'de-tune' from one format, before the other will sound
good.

HRYK ... unfortunately, psychology of perception 101 will teach you
that the human ear/brain is capable of a great deal of adjustment to
external stimuli. Basicly you're subconciously both filtering out
what you don't like, and reinforcing (or even creating) what you do.
If I was to grab a couple of cassettes my initial reaction would be to
hear the hiss, lack of dynamic range, NR artifacts, etc. After an
hour I wouldn't be noticing these at all, unless I actively set out to
listen out for them.

Maybe this is *all* about psychology after all - if I switch back to
CD after listening to something on cassette or vinyl I don't find it
in the least "tinny and flat" -- my reaction is more likely to be
"S**T -- I can hear all the music again" :-)

Julian


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In article ,
Ray Keattch wrote:
If you listen to CD for a while and then go to vinyl, it will sound
coloured but very weighty.

I've noticed the coloured part but not the 'weighty'. ;-)

If you listen to vinyl for a while and then
go to CD, it will sound tinny and flat.

I'd not describe the difference as tinny or flat. More like removing
cotton wool from ears...

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Dave Plowman London SW 12
RIP Acorn

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In article ,
Ray Keattch wrote:
If their description of the bass 'being really deep' on your record
player, but not on your CD, one is faulty - forget any nuances. If it
happens on all nominally the same recordings.


Neither the CD or deck are flawed.

Given your hate of anything technical, how would you know?

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Dave Plowman London SW 12
RIP Acorn

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"Dave Plowman" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Ray Keattch wrote:
If their description of the bass 'being really deep' on your record
player, but not on your CD, one is faulty - forget any nuances. If it
happens on all nominally the same recordings.


Neither the CD or deck are flawed.

Given your hate of anything technical, how would you know?

So where do you want to go with this one? Would it help if I invited you to
my place to satisfy you my system isn't flawed? Quite simple really. The CD
sounds good and the deck sounds good. It takes a while to tune in to a
different format.

Mr Plowman, your being a tit for the sake of trolling.

MrBitsy.

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"Dave Plowman" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Tim Anderson wrote:
No it doesn't - don't you ever read anything here? You can transcribe
an LP to CD and I defy anyone to tell the difference.

I've tried this and found degradation.

You're probably using a poor sound card - they're not all the same.

More likely the problem is that he didn't do a time-synched, level-matched,
bias controlled test.

He *knew* that the DAT degraded the sound, and by gum it did (in his
perceptions).