I've got an AV Receiver in my living room, and want to feed some extra
speakers (stereo only) in the kitchen. I want to be able to mute the
sound in the living room if I want, whilst still hearing the sound in the
kitchen, and vice versa. The cable run will have to be about 10 metres.

The AV Receiver only has one set of speaker outputs. However, it does
have pre-outs, as well as tape loop phono outputs and digital outputs,
both optical and electrical.

What's the best way to connect extra speakers? I assume that if I use the
pre-outs, the sound will mute in the kitchen if I mute it in the living
room. The digital outputs only work if the input is also digital, which
isn't ideal but I might live with it if it means thinner cable and better
sound. This just leaves the tape output, but I'm worried about the cable
lenght, and hiding a thick cable might prove difficult. Are there any
other possibilities I've missed?

Presumably I would need some kind of amp or powered speakers to make use
of any of these outputs. Can anyone recommend a simple small amp or
powered speakers that can handle digital input?

Thanks.

On Sat, 30 Apr 2005 07:37:42 -0500, smb wrote:

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Presumably I would need some kind of amp or powered speakers to make use
of any of these outputs. Can anyone recommend a simple small amp or
powered speakers that can handle digital input?


How about a pair of wireless speakers fed from the tape out? Just
plug-n-play!

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On Sat, 30 Apr 2005 20:57:30 GMT, mick wrote:
On Sat, 30 Apr 2005 07:37:42 -0500, smb wrote:

snip

Presumably I would need some kind of amp or powered speakers to make use
of any of these outputs. Can anyone recommend a simple small amp or
powered speakers that can handle digital input?


How about a pair of wireless speakers fed from the tape out? Just
plug-n-play!


Hmm, not a bad idea. How robust are wireless speakers? I've got a
wireless network here, plus a digital cordless phone and I'm hoping to put
the speakers quite close to the microwave.

10 metres is a short cable length for line-level signals.

I've not tried this, but I think you should be able to test the effect of
the vable by using it to connect your receiver's tape out to tape in. Then
pressing the tape monitor button will let you assess any difference the
cable is making.

You may even be able to conduct a listening test, with someone else
manipulating the button, and you trying to tell what state it's in.

Tim


"smb" wrote in message
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I've got an AV Receiver in my living room, and want to feed some extra
speakers (stereo only) in the kitchen. I want to be able to mute the
sound in the living room if I want, whilst still hearing the sound in the
kitchen, and vice versa. The cable run will have to be about 10 metres.

The AV Receiver only has one set of speaker outputs. However, it does
have pre-outs, as well as tape loop phono outputs and digital outputs,
both optical and electrical.

What's the best way to connect extra speakers? I assume that if I use the
pre-outs, the sound will mute in the kitchen if I mute it in the living
room. The digital outputs only work if the input is also digital, which
isn't ideal but I might live with it if it means thinner cable and better
sound. This just leaves the tape output, but I'm worried about the cable
lenght, and hiding a thick cable might prove difficult. Are there any
other possibilities I've missed?

Presumably I would need some kind of amp or powered speakers to make use
of any of these outputs. Can anyone recommend a simple small amp or
powered speakers that can handle digital input?

Thanks.

In article , Tim Martin
wrote:
10 metres is a short cable length for line-level signals.

Probably. But I would check the source o/p impedance and cable capacitance
before being sure of this. In general, domestic kit tends to be used with
shorter runs. Also check for any hum problems, particularly when the source
are destination are being powered by different mains sockets in different
rooms.

If the 'tape' outputs are unbufferred the impedance may depend on the
signal source driving the amp as well. And if the cable capacitance is too
high, this may affect the results when listening via the 'source' amp.


Slainte,

Jim

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In article ,
smb wrote:
I've got an AV Receiver in my living room, and want to feed some extra
speakers (stereo only) in the kitchen. I want to be able to mute the
sound in the living room if I want, whilst still hearing the sound in
the kitchen, and vice versa. The cable run will have to be about 10
metres.

The AV Receiver only has one set of speaker outputs. However, it does
have pre-outs, as well as tape loop phono outputs and digital outputs,
both optical and electrical.

What's the best way to connect extra speakers? I assume that if I use
the pre-outs, the sound will mute in the kitchen if I mute it in the
living room. The digital outputs only work if the input is also
digital, which isn't ideal but I might live with it if it means thinner
cable and better sound. This just leaves the tape output, but I'm
worried about the cable lenght, and hiding a thick cable might prove
difficult. Are there any other possibilities I've missed?

Presumably I would need some kind of amp or powered speakers to make use
of any of these outputs. Can anyone recommend a simple small amp or
powered speakers that can handle digital input?

I'd use the tape outs in analogue - these won't mute and are at a
constant level, so altering the level of the main system won't alter the
remote one.

Then any old amp you can think of will be fine for the kitchen. But make
sure it doesn't have a three core mains lead, as you might run into hum
loop problems if it has.

For 10 meter cables, probably best to buy a suitable cable by the metre
from the likes of Maplin and fit the plugs yourself. Something like XS93
which is a twin 'figure of eight' co-ax at a quid a metre.

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On Sun, 01 May 2005 10:46:29 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
I'd use the tape outs in analogue - these won't mute and are at a
constant level, so altering the level of the main system won't alter the
remote one.

Then any old amp you can think of will be fine for the kitchen. But make
sure it doesn't have a three core mains lead, as you might run into hum
loop problems if it has.

My AV Receiver only has a two core lead, so does this mean I don't have to
worry?

For 10 meter cables, probably best to buy a suitable cable by the metre
from the likes of Maplin and fit the plugs yourself. Something like XS93
which is a twin 'figure of eight' co-ax at a quid a metre.


I've just had a look at that cable on Maplin's site and it looks ideal.
A friend of mine bought some cable by the metre from Maplin. He asked for
6 metres. When it arrived, there were 6 one metre pieces of cable in the
packet. I'll see if I can get it in store, as there's one just round the
corner from me.

smb wrote:

I've just had a look at that cable on Maplin's site and it looks ideal.
A friend of mine bought some cable by the metre from Maplin. He asked for
6 metres. When it arrived, there were 6 one metre pieces of cable in the
packet.

That would be "A friend of a friend."
Unless you can provide some facts.

--
Eiron.

In article ,
smb wrote:
I'd use the tape outs in analogue - these won't mute and are at a
constant level, so altering the level of the main system won't alter
the remote one.

Then any old amp you can think of will be fine for the kitchen. But
make sure it doesn't have a three core mains lead, as you might run
into hum loop problems if it has.

My AV Receiver only has a two core lead, so does this mean I don't have
to worry?

With a bit of luck, yes. The problem arises when two bits of audio gear
are earthed to the mains earth. But not always. Bit of a minefield.

For 10 meter cables, probably best to buy a suitable cable by the
metre from the likes of Maplin and fit the plugs yourself. Something
like XS93 which is a twin 'figure of eight' co-ax at a quid a metre.


I've just had a look at that cable on Maplin's site and it looks ideal.
A friend of mine bought some cable by the metre from Maplin. He asked
for 6 metres. When it arrived, there were 6 one metre pieces of cable
in the packet. I'll see if I can get it in store, as there's one just
round the corner from me.

Strange, given that all you'd have to do is cut it into 1 metre lengths if
that's what you want. It comes off a 100 metre drum.

I've found them pretty good in general - and good at correcting any
mistakes. YMMV, of course.

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