"Nath" wrote in message
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Yeah I manage my music with roughly 30 artists in each main directory
like so (on my iriver)

A-D
etc


Too complicated for me, my stuff's all in the one directory....


That's on the iriver, since you browse by directory like you see in
Windows Explorer tidies things up (arranged roughly 30 artists in one
directory) so scrolling is cut down to relative minimum.



I got 54 'A's' alone. A - D (inc) is 313 folders for me....



As for PC all in one big directory, artists branching off. Usually use
Winamp with imported media. I don't mind index for PC, just with a DAP
it's bloody useless.


DAP = a portable device presumably? I don't use 'em - I usually play
straight from the hard disk or occasionally I make up a CDRW....

"Keith G" wrote in message
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"Nath" wrote in message
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Yeah I manage my music with roughly 30 artists in each main directory
like so (on my iriver)

A-D
etc


Too complicated for me, my stuff's all in the one directory....


That's on the iriver, since you browse by directory like you see in
Windows Explorer tidies things up (arranged roughly 30 artists in one
directory) so scrolling is cut down to relative minimum.



I got 54 'A's' alone. A - D (inc) is 313 folders for me....

Imagine scrolling through 1878 artist directories (average out your 313 to
A-Z) to select the one you want!! (on a DAP) bloody nightmare. If I had your
collection I would create 24 directories (one for 1st letter of the
alphabet) and place each band under that, so roughly 50 or so in C, G
etc...minimize scrolling...but it also tidies up Windows browsing too.

As for PC all in one big directory, artists branching off. Usually use
Winamp with imported media. I don't mind index for PC, just with a DAP
it's bloody useless.


DAP = a portable device presumably? I don't use 'em - I usually play
straight from the hard disk or occasionally I make up a CDRW....

Yeah, HD based audio player etc. My iriver H140 has a 40GB HD, plenty of
storage. Roughly 18 days of music. Got around 6500 tracks, with 3.6GB.
Mostly 160K-180K OGG, some MP3's at 128-320kps. Four people, blind
comparisons of MP3 & OGG at low and high bitrates, pretty obvious at
96kps-128kps (Ogg sounds very good with spoken voice at that very low
bitrate, MP3 sounds awful) and 95% correct -best sounding at 160-180kps
towards OGG, harder to tell @320kps...however takes up a bit too much space.

CDRW isn't enough storage for music collection really once you've used
DVD-R...I can fit around 50 albums onto a single layer DVD. Only 8 on a
CD-R.

"Nath" wrote


I got 54 'A's' alone. A - D (inc) is 313 folders for me....

Imagine scrolling through 1878 artist directories (average out your 313 to
A-Z) to select the one you want!! (on a DAP) bloody nightmare. If I had
your collection I would create 24 directories (one for 1st letter of the
alphabet) and place each band under that, so roughly 50 or so in C, G
etc...minimize scrolling...but it also tidies up Windows browsing too.


Simply not necessary in Windows - they scroll by quickly enough. Having them
all in the one place assists random compilations and prompts selections.



As for PC all in one big directory, artists branching off. Usually use
Winamp with imported media. I don't mind index for PC, just with a DAP
it's bloody useless.


DAP = a portable device presumably? I don't use 'em - I usually play
straight from the hard disk or occasionally I make up a CDRW....

Yeah, HD based audio player etc. My iriver H140 has a 40GB HD, plenty of
storage.


That's most impressive.

My 'MP3 dedicated' (second) PC hard disk is only 80 Gb, but as the majority
of new stuff will be from vinyl on an 'as and when' basis, I don't expect to
fill it very quickly - atm I have 51.5 Gb of MP3s...


Roughly 18 days of music. Got around 6500 tracks, with 3.6GB. Mostly
160K-180K OGG, some MP3's at 128-320kps. Four people, blind comparisons
of MP3 & OGG at low and high bitrates, pretty obvious at 96kps-128kps (Ogg
sounds very good with spoken voice at that very low bitrate, MP3 sounds
awful) and 95% correct -best sounding at 160-180kps towards OGG, harder to
tell @320kps...however takes up a bit too much space.


The comparisons I did earlier were MP3 at 320K and the Oggs at 350K, so
there was a little in favour of the Oggs....



CDRW isn't enough storage for music collection really once you've used
DVD-R...I can fit around 50 albums onto a single layer DVD. Only 8 on a
CD-R.


I don't *store* on CDRW - simply make up a 'temporary' compilation for
extended 'background music, from time to time. (I really must get round to
sorting out my car radio - one that also plays MP3s would make sense....)

"Nath" wrote in message
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Well, one here couldn't really split them (me) and the other (SWMBO)
picked the MP3s all but once on a dozen or more A/B pairs. (So, that's
Oggs off the menu for me..... :-)


Sure not used to MP3, and that's what pointing out? I've never listened to
MP3 before, only when I got the iriver H140 did I listen to lossy
music...and encoded several on MP3 & OGG.

Try MP3 at 128kps VBR, OGG at 128kps VBR. You should be able to hear the
difference...



OK, I'll give it a go, but I'm not optimistic - the earlier comparison was
beyond my ability to detect differences.

My downfall/blessing is that I can immediately accomodate differences in
music sources (which is why I always seek the opinions of others) which
means I'm no good at picking out very subtle differences in kit, but it does
mean I can enjoy music off, say, the bathroom radio or TV (in a movie)
without being too conscious of it being that much 'inferior'....

MP3s are plenty OK for *none too serious* listening and, like I say, if you
shove 'em through valves it polishes them up no end!!

"Keith G" wrote in message
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"Nath" wrote in message
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Well, one here couldn't really split them (me) and the other (SWMBO)
picked the MP3s all but once on a dozen or more A/B pairs. (So, that's
Oggs off the menu for me..... :-)


Sure not used to MP3, and that's what pointing out? I've never listened
to MP3 before, only when I got the iriver H140 did I listen to lossy
music...and encoded several on MP3 & OGG.

Try MP3 at 128kps VBR, OGG at 128kps VBR. You should be able to hear the
difference...



OK, I'll give it a go, but I'm not optimistic - the earlier comparison was
beyond my ability to detect differences.

My downfall/blessing is that I can immediately accomodate differences in
music sources (which is why I always seek the opinions of others) which
means I'm no good at picking out very subtle differences in kit, but it
does mean I can enjoy music off, say, the bathroom radio or TV (in a
movie) without being too conscious of it being that much 'inferior'....

MP3s are plenty OK for *none too serious* listening and, like I say, if
you shove 'em through valves it polishes them up no end!!

Understand you're using Fraunhofer MP3 encoder? (which is pretty crap IMO)
Checkout Lame 3.9x
And make sure OGG Sept 2004 build

Don't use Media Player to rip/encode. Use Audiograbber instead. Download
Audiograbber, and place lame.dll and viborbis.dll and libmmd.dll in
audiograbber dir. Choosing Encoder type in MP3 should show newer versions.

oh up this early because cat just puked up..yuck..

"Keith G" wrote in message
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What I wuz really boasting about is that I can list 1200+ directory names
(1
dir = 1 album or less) in just a few strokes!! (Ten second job from start
to
finish!!)

Would that be

dir /a:d /b outputfile

Tim

"Tim Martin" wrote in message
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"Keith G" wrote in message
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What I wuz really boasting about is that I can list 1200+ directory names
(1
dir = 1 album or less) in just a few strokes!! (Ten second job from start
to
finish!!)

Would that be

dir /a:d /b outputfile



Nope, that would be 'Send to clipboard as name' from:

http://www.microsoft.com/windows95/d...et/Default.asp


But beware - it will infest your computer with a host of utilities you don't
need/want and put the buggers in your Start menu, if you are not
careful......

(And if you are thick enough to open the downloaded file on your desktop
without thinking, it will just about double the icons and shove them all
over to the left in alphabetical order - don't ask me how I know this......
:-)