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Arny Krueger May 21st 05 10:38 AM

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"Fred" wrote in message
...
(I'd trade hiss for LP's defects anyday)


I use a software from MAGiX to remove most of the hiss

from tapes. It could
also remove most of the pops, clicks and scratches from

LPs. If I remember
correctly dbx is pretty good in removing much of the hiss

if you have that
feature on your tape deck.

The analog laser turntable from Japan would remove all the

LP defects that
you would have form a conventional turntable.


I heard said turntable at HE2005. It sounded good, but it
did not remove all of the audible defects of the LP format.
It's an archivists' tool.



dave weil May 21st 05 11:49 AM

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On Sat, 21 May 2005 09:58:11 GMT, (Don Pearce)
wrote:

On Sat, 21 May 2005 08:40:25 GMT, "Tim Martin"
wrote:


"Joseph Oberlander" wrote in message
ink.net...

it's
hard to get a clean FM signal these days without some
compression or fading and so on(especially if you are
in a hilly area)


That must depend on what country you live in.

Tim


I'm not sure that radio is that geopolitically aware.


US radio certainly isn't.

dave weil May 21st 05 11:51 AM

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On Sat, 21 May 2005 06:38:53 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:


"Fred" wrote in message
...
(I'd trade hiss for LP's defects anyday)


I use a software from MAGiX to remove most of the hiss

from tapes. It could
also remove most of the pops, clicks and scratches from

LPs. If I remember
correctly dbx is pretty good in removing much of the hiss

if you have that
feature on your tape deck.

The analog laser turntable from Japan would remove all the

LP defects that
you would have form a conventional turntable.


I heard said turntable at HE2005. It sounded good, but it
did not remove all of the audible defects of the LP format.
It's an archivists' tool.


Where are the dbts?

Joseph Oberlander May 21st 05 05:16 PM

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Arny Krueger wrote:

I heard said turntable at HE2005. It sounded good, but it
did not remove all of the audible defects of the LP format.
It's an archivists' tool.


For so much money that I could set up a small home recording
studio. Or buy a small car. No thanks.


George M. Middius May 21st 05 06:26 PM

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Joseph O'Blather keeps the class warfare fires burning.

For so much money that I could set up a small home recording
studio. Or buy a small car. No thanks.


Not to worry, O'Blather. It's not being marketed to the likes of you. Why
would you even consider buying a $20,000 turntable if you can't afford it?
Or more to the point, why do you have to remind us it's beyond your means?
You don't see the rest of us whining about what we can't afford. (Except for
Krooger, but of course Arnii is one of Them, not one of us.)






Tim Martin May 22nd 05 09:47 AM

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"Don Pearce" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 21 May 2005 08:40:25 GMT, "Tim Martin"
wrote:


"Joseph Oberlander" wrote in message
nk.net...

it's
hard to get a clean FM signal these days without some
compression or fading and so on(especially if you are
in a hilly area)


That must depend on what country you live in.

Tim


I'm not sure that radio is that geopolitically aware.


No, but regulation, funding, and service is.

As I understand it, a high-quality radio tuner needs a 200 micro-volt aerial
signal to achieve a 60db signal-to-noise ratio. I also understand that in
the UK, BBC FM radio transmittters and repeaters are sited to deliver a 300
microvolt aerial signal within the service area, based on a two-element
aerial at a height of 10 metres above ground, with 15 metres of co-ax
downlead.

The stated service coverage is 98% for stereo reception, 100% for mono. I
wouldn't describe that as "hard to get".

For anyone interested, here's a list of BBC transmitters

http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/...C_national.pdf

Tim



Don Pearce May 22nd 05 11:01 AM

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On Sun, 22 May 2005 09:47:00 GMT, "Tim Martin"
wrote:


"Don Pearce" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 21 May 2005 08:40:25 GMT, "Tim Martin"
wrote:


"Joseph Oberlander" wrote in message
nk.net...

it's
hard to get a clean FM signal these days without some
compression or fading and so on(especially if you are
in a hilly area)

That must depend on what country you live in.

Tim


I'm not sure that radio is that geopolitically aware.


No, but regulation, funding, and service is.

As I understand it, a high-quality radio tuner needs a 200 micro-volt aerial
signal to achieve a 60db signal-to-noise ratio. I also understand that in
the UK, BBC FM radio transmittters and repeaters are sited to deliver a 300
microvolt aerial signal within the service area, based on a two-element
aerial at a height of 10 metres above ground, with 15 metres of co-ax
downlead.

The stated service coverage is 98% for stereo reception, 100% for mono. I
wouldn't describe that as "hard to get".

For anyone interested, here's a list of BBC transmitters

http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/...C_national.pdf

Tim


Sure, but how many people have such an antenna installation? Very few
indeed. Most people have the twinax dipole that came with the tuner
coiled up on the floor behind the rest of the hi fi. If they are
really keen, they may have stretched it out.

d

Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

Dave Plowman (News) May 22nd 05 10:10 PM

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In article ,
George M. Middius wrote:
Joseph O'Blather keeps the class warfare fires burning.


For so much money that I could set up a small home recording studio.
Or buy a small car. No thanks.


Not to worry, O'Blather. It's not being marketed to the likes of you.
Why would you even consider buying a $20,000 turntable if you can't
afford it? Or more to the point, why do you have to remind us it's
beyond your means? You don't see the rest of us whining about what we
can't afford. (Except for Krooger, but of course Arnii is one of Them,
not one of us.)


Good grief. An Merkin ****** posting from his trailer home to a uk group.
Nice to see you George M. In the UK most would spend their money on
important things.

--
*Ambition is a poor excuse for not having enough sense to be lazy *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

George M. Middius May 22nd 05 10:58 PM

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Dave Plowborg still hasn't cracked the poverty barrier.

Not to worry, O'Blather. It's not being marketed to the likes of you.
Why would you even consider buying a $20,000 turntable if you can't
afford it? Or more to the point, why do you have to remind us it's
beyond your means? You don't see the rest of us whining about what we
can't afford. (Except for Krooger, but of course Arnii is one of Them,
not one of us.)


Nice to see you George M. In the UK most would spend their money on
important things.


Still spending your dole on ale for the mates?





Nath May 22nd 05 11:22 PM

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"George M. Middius" wrote in message
...


Dave Plowborg still hasn't cracked the poverty barrier.

Not to worry, O'Blather. It's not being marketed to the likes of you.
Why would you even consider buying a $20,000 turntable if you can't
afford it? Or more to the point, why do you have to remind us it's
beyond your means? You don't see the rest of us whining about what we
can't afford. (Except for Krooger, but of course Arnii is one of Them,
not one of us.)


Nice to see you George M. In the UK most would spend their money on
important things.


Still spending your dole on ale for the mates?


At least we have real beer, not your **** flavoured attempt at it...



Margaret von B. May 22nd 05 11:40 PM

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"George M. Middius" wrote in message
...


Dave Plowborg still hasn't cracked the poverty barrier.

Not to worry, O'Blather. It's not being marketed to the likes of you.
Why would you even consider buying a $20,000 turntable if you can't
afford it? Or more to the point, why do you have to remind us it's
beyond your means? You don't see the rest of us whining about what we
can't afford. (Except for Krooger, but of course Arnii is one of Them,
not one of us.)


Nice to see you George M. In the UK most would spend their money on
important things.


Still spending your dole on ale for the mates?







Margaret von B. May 22nd 05 11:43 PM

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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
George M. Middius wrote:
Joseph O'Blather keeps the class warfare fires burning.


For so much money that I could set up a small home recording studio.
Or buy a small car. No thanks.


Not to worry, O'Blather. It's not being marketed to the likes of you.
Why would you even consider buying a $20,000 turntable if you can't
afford it? Or more to the point, why do you have to remind us it's
beyond your means? You don't see the rest of us whining about what we
can't afford. (Except for Krooger, but of course Arnii is one of Them,
not one of us.)


Good grief. An Merkin ****** posting from his trailer home to a uk group.
Nice to see you George M. In the UK most would spend their money on
important things.


Apparently that does *not* include dental work.

Margaret




MiNe 109 May 22nd 05 11:56 PM

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In article ,
"Margaret von B." wrote:

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
George M. Middius wrote:
Joseph O'Blather keeps the class warfare fires burning.


For so much money that I could set up a small home recording studio.
Or buy a small car. No thanks.


Not to worry, O'Blather. It's not being marketed to the likes of you.
Why would you even consider buying a $20,000 turntable if you can't
afford it? Or more to the point, why do you have to remind us it's
beyond your means? You don't see the rest of us whining about what we
can't afford. (Except for Krooger, but of course Arnii is one of Them,
not one of us.)


Good grief. An Merkin ****** posting from his trailer home to a uk group.
Nice to see you George M. In the UK most would spend their money on
important things.


Apparently that does *not* include dental work.


I guess the SME is export only.

Domestic British turntables for home use:

http://www.driveawaymat.co.uk/4.html

Stephen

George M. Middius May 23rd 05 01:01 AM

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Nath said:

Still spending your dole on ale for the mates?


At least we have real beer, not your **** flavoured attempt at it...


American beers and ales are now the best in the world. You wouldn't know
anything about the current state of affairs, one supposes, because you
haven't stirred from your misbegotten hamlet and its four inbred pubs since,
oh, I'd guess 1978.






Jocelyn Major May 23rd 05 05:40 AM

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Sorry Guy but for my personnal taste American beer and Ale are far far
far from being the best in the world. It might be the best in the world
for an American. But it is so inferior in taste with Scotish, English,
German, Belgium and even Beer from "Micro-Brasserie" that are opening in
Québec. American Beer are beer what we call in Québec "Biere de
Soif=beer of thirst" while most other beer from all the other countries
are again in Québec "Biere de Degustation= A beer of Tasting". You drink
American Beer because you're thirsty. You will never drink Coors or
Molson or Labatt or Miller in an international beer tasting contest held
outside of US because they would not qualify as a Hi-End Beer. You drink
a NewCastle or a MacEwan or Une mort Subite or Une blanche de Chambly or
a Joe MonFerrand for the taste of it. Telling that American Beer is the
best Beer in the world is like Telling McDonald is the best Gastronomy
in the world. Or if we put it in a audio concept: American Beer are the
4.99 plastic speaker that you can buy at Walmart while the import Beer
are a nice pair of Spendor, or a Cremora, Or any great sounding
Loudspeaker. Try any of those beer I mentionned and I'M pretty sure you
will never go back to American Beer. Even here in Canada Molson always
put a small label on each bottle stating that they are the winner for
the international beer festival held in francfort. Its is one of the
worst tasting beer in Canada. The State do make Great Wine. But for the
beer.... I know it a question of taste. You prefer American Beer and
most European and people from Québec can't stand the taste of the US
Beers. Anyway! Why am I posting a discussion on beer in a AUDIO Group???

Bye and don't forget to enjoy your brew while I will enjoy mine. Cheers!!!

George M. Middius a écrit :

Nath said:


Still spending your dole on ale for the mates?



At least we have real beer, not your **** flavoured attempt at it...



American beers and ales are now the best in the world. You wouldn't know
anything about the current state of affairs, one supposes, because you
haven't stirred from your misbegotten hamlet and its four inbred pubs since,
oh, I'd guess 1978.






Schizoid Man May 23rd 05 08:24 AM

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"George M. Middius" wrote in message

Nath said:

Still spending your dole on ale for the mates?


At least we have real beer, not your **** flavoured attempt at it...


American beers and ales are now the best in the world.


George, please tell me you were high when you made the above assertion.



Schizoid Man May 23rd 05 08:27 AM

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"Jocelyn Major" wrote in message

You drink American Beer because you're thirsty. You will never drink Coors
or Molson or Labatt or Miller in an international beer tasting contest
held outside of US because they would not qualify as a Hi-End Beer.


Er Jocelyn, Labatt's from your side of the border...



George M. Middius May 23rd 05 11:11 AM

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Schizoid Man said:

American beers and ales are now the best in the world.


George, please tell me you were high when you made the above assertion.


Oh take a pill already.

I was talking to Plowborg. Imagine a non-psychotic Krooborg. See what I
mean?




George M. Middius May 23rd 05 11:11 AM

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Schizoid Man said:

You drink American Beer because you're thirsty. You will never drink Coors
or Molson or Labatt or Miller in an international beer tasting contest
held outside of US because they would not qualify as a Hi-End Beer.


Er Jocelyn, Labatt's from your side of the border...


He probably meant Genesee.



Don Pearce May 23rd 05 11:43 AM

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On Mon, 23 May 2005 07:11:08 -0400, George M. Middius
wrote:



Schizoid Man said:

American beers and ales are now the best in the world.


George, please tell me you were high when you made the above assertion.


Oh take a pill already.

I was talking to Plowborg. Imagine a non-psychotic Krooborg. See what I
mean?


Q. Why is American beer like making love in a punt?
A. They are both ****ing close to water.

d

Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

Nath May 23rd 05 01:21 PM

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"George M. Middius" wrote in message
...


Nath said:

Still spending your dole on ale for the mates?


At least we have real beer, not your **** flavoured attempt at it...


American beers and ales are now the best in the world.


In your dreams. Ever tried German beers? That strange thing you feel in your
mouth when drinking good beer- that's taste. You don't get that with
American "shandy" beer-like liquids.

You wouldn't know
anything about the current state of affairs, one supposes, because you
haven't stirred from your misbegotten hamlet and its four inbred pubs
since,
oh, I'd guess 1978.


Yeah we all speak "rather" and drive in horse drawn carriages. Every street
has a 5 year old cockey chimney sweep.

Idiot.

For your amusement, a bunch of ill equipped villager's kicked your ass..

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asi...fic/730959.stm



Bill May 23rd 05 01:50 PM

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On Mon, 23 May 2005 00:22:39 +0100, "Nath" wrote:

[ . . .]


Still spending your dole on ale for the mates?


At least we have real beer, not your **** flavoured attempt at it...


After England and the rest of Europe have defaulted upon almost
everything important, all they can do now is brag about the warm
sludge they call beer. :)

Arny Krueger May 23rd 05 01:58 PM

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"Don Pearce" wrote in message
...


Q. Why is American beer like making love in a punt?
A. They are both ****ing close to water.


LOL!



Stimpy May 23rd 05 02:26 PM

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Margaret von B. wrote:

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
George M. Middius wrote:
Joseph O'Blather keeps the class warfare fires burning.


For so much money that I could set up a small home recording studio.
Or buy a small car. No thanks.


Not to worry, O'Blather. It's not being marketed to the likes of you.
Why would you even consider buying a $20,000 turntable if you can't
afford it? Or more to the point, why do you have to remind us it's
beyond your means? You don't see the rest of us whining about what we
can't afford. (Except for Krooger, but of course Arnii is one of Them,
not one of us.)


Good grief. An Merkin ****** posting from his trailer home to a uk group.
Nice to see you George M. In the UK most would spend their money on
important things.


Apparently that does *not* include dental work.


....but, sadly, it does involve supporting you murdering right-wing *******s
and your half-witted criminal president


Schizoid Man May 23rd 05 02:34 PM

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"Bill" wrote in message

On Mon, 23 May 2005 00:22:39 +0100, "Nath" wrote:


Still spending your dole on ale for the mates?


At least we have real beer, not your **** flavoured attempt at it...


After England and the rest of Europe have defaulted upon almost
everything important, all they can do now is brag about the warm
sludge they call beer. :)


Isn't it a bit rich of you to say something like this after blowing (please
do pardon the pun) your children's college fund on sexual tourism in
Amsterdam?



Schizoid Man May 23rd 05 02:35 PM

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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message

"Don Pearce" wrote in message

Q. Why is American beer like making love in a punt?
A. They are both ****ing close to water.


LOL!


I am impressed that you know what a punt is, Arny.



George Middius May 23rd 05 03:10 PM

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Don Pearce said:

Q. Why is American beer like making love in a punt?
A. They are both ****ing close to water.


You've changed the text without authorization. The original version referred to
Australian beer.


Arny Krueger May 23rd 05 03:12 PM

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"Schizoid Man" wrote in message
...

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message

"Don Pearce" wrote in message

Q. Why is American beer like making love in a punt?
A. They are both ****ing close to water.


LOL!


I am impressed that you know what a punt is, Arny.


I'm a long-time canoeing enthusiast, natch. ;-)



George Middius May 23rd 05 03:13 PM

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Bill said:

After England and the rest of Europe have defaulted upon almost
everything important, all they can do now is brag about the warm
sludge they call beer. :)


How do they manage to export all the fresh beer and keep only the stuff that's
turned for themselves?


George Middius May 23rd 05 03:18 PM

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Schizoid Man said:

I am impressed that you know what a punt is, Arny.


He probably doesn't. Arnii has frequently complained that online reference
sources "lied" to him.


Briel May 23rd 05 04:19 PM

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In article , says...

"George M. Middius" wrote in message

Nath said:

Still spending your dole on ale for the mates?


At least we have real beer, not your **** flavoured attempt at it...


American beers and ales are now the best in the world.


George, please tell me you were high when you made the above assertion.


While I wouldn't go so far as George in his praise of American beers,
there is no doubt that the craft brewing industry in the US has created
a beer scene with more diversity and quality than any country outside of
Belgium.

There are certainly areas in the US that are beer wastelands with
nothing available but Budmillorcoors, but visiting somewhere like
Portland OR will quickly change your mind about American beers.

--
Bill

Don Pearce May 23rd 05 04:30 PM

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On 23 May 2005 08:10:35 -0700, George Middius
wrote:


Don Pearce said:

Q. Why is American beer like making love in a punt?
A. They are both ****ing close to water.


You've changed the text without authorization. The original version referred to
Australian beer.


Isn't it the same place? I speak foreign, you know.

d

Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

Don Pearce May 23rd 05 04:35 PM

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On Mon, 23 May 2005 16:19:22 GMT, Briel wrote:

In article , says...

"George M. Middius" wrote in message

Nath said:

Still spending your dole on ale for the mates?

At least we have real beer, not your **** flavoured attempt at it...

American beers and ales are now the best in the world.


George, please tell me you were high when you made the above assertion.


While I wouldn't go so far as George in his praise of American beers,
there is no doubt that the craft brewing industry in the US has created
a beer scene with more diversity and quality than any country outside of
Belgium.

There are certainly areas in the US that are beer wastelands with
nothing available but Budmillorcoors, but visiting somewhere like
Portland OR will quickly change your mind about American beers.


I don't think Belgium beats the UK for variety. There are even small
bars in London's West End with their own brewery on site. They tend to
specialize in bitter beers heavy in hops, toasted to their own recipe
for a "house" flavour.

d

Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

dave weil May 23rd 05 04:57 PM

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On Mon, 23 May 2005 16:19:22 GMT, Briel wrote:

In article , says...

"George M. Middius" wrote in message

Nath said:

Still spending your dole on ale for the mates?

At least we have real beer, not your **** flavoured attempt at it...

American beers and ales are now the best in the world.


George, please tell me you were high when you made the above assertion.


While I wouldn't go so far as George in his praise of American beers,
there is no doubt that the craft brewing industry in the US has created
a beer scene with more diversity and quality than any country outside of
Belgium.

There are certainly areas in the US that are beer wastelands with
nothing available but Budmillorcoors, but visiting somewhere like
Portland OR will quickly change your mind about American beers.


First of all, ale IS beer.

Second of all, I would say that many American beers are now AMONG the
best in the world. There are planty of really fine beers being
produced here. Still, subject to the fact that this is opinion, the
most sterling examples of the different styles still reside in other
countries for the most part. Steam beer would be the only
counter-example that I can think of.

However, the beer industry in the US has come light years in the past
two decades. With beers like Sierra Nevada and Anchor Steam, it's been
shown that America can mass-produce beers of world class quality. And,
as noted, there is a multitude of micro-breweries that offer world
class product that produce smaller quantities of great beer. We
probably have the most vibrant and adventurous beer industry in the
world at the moment. Yet, the shelves are FULL of mediocre beer just
waiting to be quaffed by uneducated US consumers.

In my humble town of Nashville, there are FIVE microbreweries that
offer fresh beer in a multitude of styles, brewed right on the
premises and pumped directly from the holding tanks into the glass.
One of them even offers a daily selection of cask-conditioned
British-style ale served at an approriate cellar temperature. They
produce only a pony keg a day and when it's gone it's gone (it usually
only lasts about 2 hours max). That particular brewery is one of only
a handful of breweries in the world that produced the old German style
stone beer. It's always available in sufficient quantites to be
offered as a standard menu item.

Margaret von B. May 23rd 05 05:02 PM

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"Don Pearce" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 23 May 2005 16:19:22 GMT, Briel wrote:


I don't think Belgium beats the UK for variety. There are even small
bars in London's West End with their own brewery on site.


Wow! What a unique and fascinating concept. Surely it doesn't exist outside
the UK.

d

Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com


Who do you consult? Door knobs?

Margaret





dave weil May 23rd 05 05:02 PM

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On Mon, 23 May 2005 16:35:52 GMT, (Don Pearce)
wrote:

There are certainly areas in the US that are beer wastelands with
nothing available but Budmillorcoors, but visiting somewhere like
Portland OR will quickly change your mind about American beers.


I don't think Belgium beats the UK for variety.


Probably not. But they still produce what I think are the two ultimate
beers, the Lambic and the Trappist ale.

I'd say that the US far surpasses the UK interms of variety though.
You can get anything from hefeweissen to IPAs. Every world style is
covered somewhere in pretty large quanties in the US. It's hard to
make that case for the UK. Still, the UK has some of what I would call
"ultimate" versions of certain styles like brown ale and stout. It's
hard to beat Samuel Smith and Guinness, two brands that are available
(if not nearly as good, especially Guinness) here in the US.

George Middius May 23rd 05 05:06 PM

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Briel said:

American beers and ales are now the best in the world.


George, please tell me you were high when you made the above assertion.


While I wouldn't go so far as George in his praise of American beers,
there is no doubt that the craft brewing industry in the US has created
a beer scene with more diversity and quality than any country outside of
Belgium.


One can't pester Plowborg and the rest of the simps with reality. He knows what
he knows, and what he doesn't know doesn't matter.

There are certainly areas in the US that are beer wastelands with
nothing available but Budmillorcoors, but visiting somewhere like
Portland OR will quickly change your mind about American beers.


Even Sluttie has acknowledged the flowering of the microbrewery industry. I was
indulging in hyperbole originally, but on reflection, I'd say there are some
American beers that are unsurpassed anywhere in the world. Not necessarily
pilsners -- Belgium can keep the crown for them. Around here, one of the leading
regionals is Wild Goose. Their IPA is to die for.


Margaret von B. May 23rd 05 05:13 PM

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"Don Pearce" wrote in message
...

On Mon, 23 May 2005 07:11:08 -0400, George M. Middius
wrote:



Schizoid Man said:

American beers and ales are now the best in the world.


George, please tell me you were high when you made the above assertion.


Oh take a pill already.

I was talking to Plowborg. Imagine a non-psychotic Krooborg. See what I
mean?


Q. Why is American beer like making love in a punt?


A. You wouldn't know what to do even if you had the opportunity!

Cheers,

Margaret









Schizoid Man May 23rd 05 05:24 PM

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"Briel" wrote in message

While I wouldn't go so far as George in his praise of American beers,
there is no doubt that the craft brewing industry in the US has created
a beer scene with more diversity and quality than any country outside of
Belgium.

There are certainly areas in the US that are beer wastelands with
nothing available but Budmillorcoors, but visiting somewhere like
Portland OR will quickly change your mind about American beers.


You might be surprised to learn that America is not the only country where
micro-breweries proliferate local communities. I have had the good fortune
of sampling some astonishingly good local brews in places like India, Peru,
Zambia and Uzbekistan.

However, in my opinion, only the Netherlands matches America's record at
making diluted horse **** concoctions commerically successful (Heineken,
Amstel, Coors, Miller, Budweiser).

Belgium notwithstanding, Germany, Denmark, Austria, Britain, Ireland all
offer some fantastic beers.



Schizoid Man May 23rd 05 05:32 PM

Purchase question
 

"dave weil" wrote in message

I'd say that the US far surpasses the UK interms of variety though.
You can get anything from hefeweissen to IPAs. Every world style is
covered somewhere in pretty large quanties in the US. It's hard to
make that case for the UK. Still, the UK has some of what I would call
"ultimate" versions of certain styles like brown ale and stout. It's
hard to beat Samuel Smith and Guinness, two brands that are available
(if not nearly as good, especially Guinness) here in the US.


Actually, what I really miss is Caffrey's. It's a fairly common beer in
England and I have never seen it here.




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