Uzmi Novce I Bjezi! wrote:

What's your budget and what country do you live in?

Joseph Oberlander said:


Uzmi Novce I Bjezi! wrote:

What's your budget and what country do you live in?


Hungary, can't you tell? ;-)

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"Joseph Oberlander" wrote in message
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Uzmi Novce I Bjezi! wrote:

What's your budget and what country do you live in?

Croatia, and list was made based on my budget and availability of audio
components.

Unfortunatelly, here is all audio equipment at least 50% more expensive then
prices on internet.

Uzmi Novce I Bjezi! wrote:

"Joseph Oberlander" wrote in message
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Uzmi Novce I Bjezi! wrote:

What's your budget and what country do you live in?


Croatia, and list was made based on my budget and availability of audio
components.

Unfortunatelly, here is all audio equipment at least 50% more expensive then
prices on internet.

The truth is that most amplifiers will be fine. They all put
out 50-100wpc into 8ohm speakers, more or less the same, so
consider the least feature-laden model for the money.(though
one that still does a good job) Onkyo and Denon and Yamaha
are fine choices - most of the differences are small and
have more to do with extra channels and processing modes.

The area to spend the most money and time is the speakers.
I personally like Tannoy as they are easy to find in Europe
and tend to sound nice. Very good budget models. If you
can find a set of Mercury or MercuryX(MX) speakers used,
These will be as good as any of the others you listed for
quite a decent price.

In rec.audio.opinion Uzmi Novce I Bjezi! wrote:
I'm planning to buy receiver
+ floorstanding loudspeakers for hi-fi (not home cinema) purpose.

Consider also a pair of bookshelf speakers plus a subwoofer. Or a
pair of floorstanding speakers plus a subwoofer. Some of your choices
below need it (2-way floorstand speakers).

I would mostly listen to mp3's (all kinds) and radio.

I founded these receivers and loudspeakers:
Receivers:
Kenwood KRF-V4550 DS
Kenwood KRF-V7070D

I am not familiar with these.

Yamaha V450 Titan
Yamaha V550 Titan
Yamaha RXV 457

The Yamaha RX-V457 is the 2005 model which replaces the RX-V450.
The RX-V550 (now RX-V557) has a bit more features (I don't remember
which). You can go to the Yamaha web page

http://yamaha-hifi.de/cat1.php?&idcat1=1&lang=e

and following the links, compare two or more products. For instance:

http://www.yamaha-online.de/compare.php?idprod=1221

I suggest that you download the operating manuals to check on the
receivers really work, how many inputs, etc..

Note, any receiver on this price range should be good enough (signal to
noise ratio around 100dB, flat frequency response from 20 Hz-20 kHz,
distorsion around 0,06% - 0,08%) that you won't notice differences in
sound quality among them.

BTW, Yamaha makes subwoofers like the YST-SW315:
http://yamaha-hifi.de/products.php?l...&i dprod=1097
or YST-SW515 (new model):
http://yamaha-hifi.de/products.php?l...&i dprod=1204

I think these subwoofers have a good price/quality ratio. Compare the
price of 25 cm subwoofers from the other manufacturers.

Denon 1705
Harman Kardon 3380

Also good brands.

Loudspeakers:

Jamo E570
http://www.jamo.com/Default.asp?ID=3...ductID=166 47
Jamo E660
http://www.jamo.com/Default.asp?ID=3...ductID=168 50

Frequency Range 45Hz - 20kHz

Unlike other speakers below, these are real 3-way speakers so I thought
you might not need a subwoofer, but then I noticed that its woofers are
no bigger than the 2-way designs. Curious.

Jamo HCS6000 - for home cinema

Celestion F20
http://www.celestion.com/products/fseries/f20.html

This is a two-way speaker quite similar to the bookshelf F15.
So it really should be combined with a subwoofer, because it
lacks a bit of low bass:
Frequency Range ( ±2dB ) 60 Hz - 20 kHz

A friend of mine has these speakers but combined with the Celestion
S80 subwoofer:
http://www.celestion.com/products/fseries/s80.html.
He is happy with them.

Celestion F30
http://www.celestion.com/products/fseries/f30.html

This is still a two-way speaker, although it has two bass drivers (which
only gain 5 Hz compared with the F20). So it also should be combined
with a subwoofer.
Frequency Range ( ±2dB ) 55 Hz - 20 kHz

Type 3 way / bass reflex
Tweeter Titanium dome 19 mm (3/4")
Bass/ Midrange 2 x 130 mm (5 1/4") PP-coated driver
Frequency Range ( ±2dB ) 55 Hz - 20 kHz
Crossover frequency 3.5 kHz
Power handling 120 Watts
Sensitivity (2.83V/1m) 90 db
Impedance 8 Ohm
Magnetic Shielding Yes
Weight 13 kg (28.6 lbs)
Dimensions (H x W x D) 900 x 198 x 272 mm
35.4 x 7.8 x 10.7"

JBL E30

Infinity Primus 250

This one ? PRIMUS II 250
http://international.infinitysystems...nguage=ENGLISH

Recommended Amplifier Power 10 - 150 watts
Frequency Response 49Hz - 20kHz *
Sensitivity (2,83 V @ 1m) 92dB
Nominal Impedance 8 ohms
Crossover Frequency 2500Hz; 24dB/Octave
Low-Frequency Driver Dual 130mm CMMD, magnetically shielded
High-Frequency Driver 19mm CMMD, magnetically shielded
Dimensions (H x W x D) 900 x 187 x 300 mm
Weight 16kg

* The web page says 19Hz - 20kHz, and I found that strange, since this
speaker has a construction similar to the Celestion F30 (2x 130mm woofer,
similar overall dimensions) which only goes to 55Hz. But the PDF:

http://international.infinitysystems...musII_Euro.pdf

has 49Hz - 20kHz, so the "19Hz" in the web page must be a typo.

As with the Celestion, I recommend that you combine it with a subwoofer.

Vtrek Fenglei No2 - for home cinema
Dali 6
Dali Blue 3003
http://www.dali.dk/Page.asp?MMID=1&M...6&PID=109#tech

Dali Blue 5005
http://www.dali.dk/Page.asp?MMID=1&M...6&PID=110#tech

These 2 Dali speakers seem similar to the Celestion and Infinity (twin woofers),
but Dali claims more low-end bass:
3003: Frequency Response, ±3dB 42 Hz - 24 kHz
5005: Frequency Response, ±3dB 37 Hz - 25 kHz

What sound card to buy (in range up to 80$)?

Something with a digital output. So the Digital to Analogic conversion
will be done in the receiver, and the sound quality of the card will be
more or less irrelevant.

I prefer quality of sound over technical possibilities.

Note that both for the receivers and reasonable sound cards the differences
should be inaudible.

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"Rui Pedro Mendes Salgueiro" wrote in message
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" Celestion F30
http://www.celestion.com/products/fseries/f30.html

This is still a two-way speaker, although it has two bass drivers (which
only gain 5 Hz compared with the F20). So it also should be combined
with a subwoofer.
Frequency Range ( ±2dB ) 55 Hz - 20 kHz"

I have a pair of F30s; I also have the Celestion S80 powered subwoofer.

Unless you are listening at very high sound levels, you won't need the
subwoofer for music with the F30s, just boost the bass a little to
compensate for the speakers' rolloff.

With the subwoofer level set to sound OK on DVDs, I find its better to use
some bass cut for listening to quite a lot of music.

Tim

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"Rui Pedro Mendes Salgueiro" wrote in message
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" Celestion F30
http://www.celestion.com/products/fseries/f30.html

This is still a two-way speaker, although it has two bass drivers (which
only gain 5 Hz compared with the F20). So it also should be combined
with a subwoofer.
Frequency Range ( ±2dB ) 55 Hz - 20 kHz"

I have a pair of F30s; I also have the Celestion S80 powered subwoofer.

Unless you are listening at very high sound levels, you won't need the
subwoofer for music with the F30s, just boost the bass a little to
compensate for the speakers' rolloff.

With the subwoofer level set to sound OK on DVDs, I find its better to use
some bass cut for listening to quite a lot of music.

Tim

Depends on the room. My speakers are 55hz too, and go down plenty low enough
in a smaller room with no sub.

"Rui Pedro Mendes Salgueiro" wrote in message
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Wow, that was really much :-)

What is the difference between analogue receivers (Denon DRA455 and Harman
Kardon 3380) and digital receivers (all others in the same range of price,
for instance Yamaha RXV457) in quality of sound?

Since I will mostly listen to my mp3 collection is it better to buy sound
card with digital output and wire it directly into digital input of some
home cinema receiver (which generally has 'worse' sound than analogue
receiver) or to wire it into analogue receiver ?

Generally, for same price analogue receivers have more quality output than
home cinema receivers, but in my case is that so?

Uzmi Novce I Bjezi! wrote:

"Rui Pedro Mendes Salgueiro" wrote in message
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Wow, that was really much :-)

What is the difference between analogue receivers (Denon DRA455 and Harman
Kardon 3380) and digital receivers (all others in the same range of price,
for instance Yamaha RXV457) in quality of sound?

Very very little unless you have difficult or very large speakers.
Moest people find even 10watts per channel to be painffully loud(over
100db per speaker in some cases), so unless you have a difficult speaker
or a party, you will never run any of them loud enough to have the
differences become apparent.

OTOH, this is a good thing - just buy any amp of the three and enjoy.

Since I will mostly listen to my mp3 collection is it better to buy sound
card with digital output and wire it directly into digital input of some
home cinema receiver (which generally has 'worse' sound than analogue
receiver) or to wire it into analogue receiver ?

My suggestion would be to buy a dvd changer for the system(or
CD if that's too expensive) that can play MP3s. You can skip
a link in the chain that way. Most soundcards are made more
for games and sound effects than audio playback, while a
dedicated DVD player sounds good because it has to.

A proper DVD player, btw, will enable you to burn 4.6gig
worth of mp3s onto a DVD. A 5 dvd changer like this is
effectively an IPod.(but one that you can burn and change
at will for a couple of dollars per dvd)

I like Turtle Beach soundcards - cheap and clean sound. Creative is pretty
good too but perhaps not as clean although hard to tell without A/B
comparison.

I have a Harman Kardon receiver only rated at 35wpc but much more powerful
and cleaner than my 120wpc receiver.