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Technics A1000 power amp - the lights have gone out !!!



 
 
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Old August 31st 05, 05:27 PM posted to uk.rec.audio
praeclarisimus Camulodoni
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Default Technics A1000 power amp - the lights have gone out !!!

Anyone know if or where you can get replacement bulbs for the Technics
a1000 power amp - and can you fit them yourself? Thats the bulbs that
light up the meters on the front.
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Old August 31st 05, 09:47 PM posted to uk.rec.audio
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Default Technics A1000 power amp - the lights have gone out !!!


"praeclarisimus Camulodoni" wrote in message
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Anyone know if or where you can get replacement bulbs for the Technics
a1000 power amp



Yes you can.


- and can you fit them yourself?


Might be better to get a (good) shop to do that unless you can do fine work
very carefully.


Thats the bulbs that
light up the meters on the front.



I know.... ;-)

(Not uncommon with those Technics power amps!)




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Old September 1st 05, 08:22 PM posted to uk.rec.audio
praeclarisimus Camulodoni
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Default Technics A1000 power amp - the lights have gone out !!!

On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 22:47:27 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:


"praeclarisimus Camulodoni" wrote in message
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Anyone know if or where you can get replacement bulbs for the Technics
a1000 power amp



Yes you can.


- and can you fit them yourself?


Might be better to get a (good) shop to do that unless you can do fine work
very carefully.


Thats the bulbs that
light up the meters on the front.



I know.... ;-)

(Not uncommon with those Technics power amps!)



Thanks for the info
Do I just go to a hi-fi dealer or an electrical repair shop, are these
standard repair items?
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Old September 1st 05, 10:47 PM posted to uk.rec.audio
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Default Technics A1000 power amp - the lights have gone out !!!


"praeclarisimus Camulodoni" wrote in message
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Anyone know if or where you can get replacement bulbs for the Technics
a1000 power amp - and can you fit them yourself? Thats the bulbs that
light up the meters on the front.


**Spend a few extra Squid and ask the repair guy if he/she can fit LEDs
instead. The best (by a long margin) are products called 'Lumileds'. They
have a 120o throw of light. They'll last a VERY long time.


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au


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Old September 2nd 05, 07:57 AM posted to uk.rec.audio
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Default Technics A1000 power amp - the lights have gone out !!!

In article , Trevor Wilson wrote:
Anyone know if or where you can get replacement bulbs for the Technics
a1000 power amp - and can you fit them yourself? Thats the bulbs that
light up the meters on the front.


**Spend a few extra Squid and ask the repair guy if he/she can fit LEDs
instead. The best (by a long margin) are products called 'Lumileds'. They
have a 120o throw of light. They'll last a VERY long time.


Any high brightness LEDs will do if, after fitting, you dip them in white
bathroom silicone sealing compound so that it forms a thick blob round the
lamp. Try to avoid getting any on the wires, and allow it to set before
switching on, because the stuff is electrically conductive until it sets.
Most high brightness LEDs achieve their efficiency by directing their light
forward through clear plastic, but the sealing compound diffuses this so
that when the LED is used as a backlight it doesn't make patterns on the
display panel.

LEDs consume much lower current than any filament bulb, typically 10-20mA,
and you may be able to run several in series and space them apart in a line
if this fits the shape of the display better. Blue ones look great.

Rod.

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Old September 2nd 05, 10:49 AM posted to uk.rec.audio
Keith G
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Default Technics A1000 power amp - the lights have gone out !!!


"praeclarisimus Camulodoni" wrote


(Not uncommon with those Technics power amps!)



Thanks for the info
Do I just go to a hi-fi dealer or an electrical repair shop, are these
standard repair items?



You want a hifi dealer with its own repair shop - preferably one that has
dealt with the same problem before. Andrew, the technician in my local shop
did one of these Technics amps (same problem) a year or two ago, but I
hesitate to recommend them - it is run by a family who invoice *each other*
IYSWIM!!

Trevor's suggestion to get LEDs fitted is an interesting one but if the
light level is to bright I would have thought they would look hideous. (TBH,
if I couldn't fix them myself I wouldn't bother to get it done - they don't
do much other than look pretty!! ;-)








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Old September 2nd 05, 11:21 PM posted to uk.rec.audio
Trevor Wilson
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Default Technics A1000 power amp - the lights have gone out !!!


"Keith G" wrote in message
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"praeclarisimus Camulodoni" wrote


(Not uncommon with those Technics power amps!)



Thanks for the info
Do I just go to a hi-fi dealer or an electrical repair shop, are these
standard repair items?



You want a hifi dealer with its own repair shop - preferably one that has
dealt with the same problem before. Andrew, the technician in my local
shop did one of these Technics amps (same problem) a year or two ago, but
I hesitate to recommend them - it is run by a family who invoice *each
other* IYSWIM!!

Trevor's suggestion to get LEDs fitted is an interesting one but if the
light level is to bright I would have thought they would look hideous.
(TBH, if I couldn't fix them myself I wouldn't bother to get it done -
they don't do much other than look pretty!! ;-)


**LEDs are neat, because:

* They are available in some nice colours. Blue LEDs, particularly, offer
spectacular efficiency gains over incandescent.
* They are easily controllable, either by a simple constant current source,
or a resistor.
* There are at least three different shades of 'white' available to suit
most applications.


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au


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Old September 4th 05, 10:22 AM posted to uk.rec.audio
Keith G
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Default Technics A1000 power amp - the lights have gone out !!!


"Trevor Wilson" wrote


Trevor's suggestion to get LEDs fitted is an interesting one but if the
light level is to bright I would have thought they would look hideous.
(TBH, if I couldn't fix them myself I wouldn't bother to get it done -
they don't do much other than look pretty!! ;-)


**LEDs are neat, because:

* They are available in some nice colours. Blue LEDs, particularly, offer
spectacular efficiency gains over incandescent.
* They are easily controllable, either by a simple constant current
source, or a resistor.
* There are at least three different shades of 'white' available to suit
most applications.



Last time I looked there were about 30 pages dedicated to LEDs in the
Maplins catalogue....





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Old September 4th 05, 08:30 PM posted to uk.rec.audio
Trevor Wilson
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Default Technics A1000 power amp - the lights have gone out !!!


"Keith G" wrote in message
...

"Trevor Wilson" wrote


Trevor's suggestion to get LEDs fitted is an interesting one but if the
light level is to bright I would have thought they would look hideous.
(TBH, if I couldn't fix them myself I wouldn't bother to get it done -
they don't do much other than look pretty!! ;-)


**LEDs are neat, because:

* They are available in some nice colours. Blue LEDs, particularly, offer
spectacular efficiency gains over incandescent.
* They are easily controllable, either by a simple constant current
source, or a resistor.
* There are at least three different shades of 'white' available to suit
most applications.



Last time I looked there were about 30 pages dedicated to LEDs in the
Maplins catalogue....


**Sounds about right. Just to re-iterate and to expand on some
misconceptions:

* Blue LEDs are far and away the best types to use for various reasons. They
offer about 5% of the power consumption of an incandescent lamp of about the
same light output. The reason is obvious, of course - Incandescent lamps
have pitiful output at higher frequencies (IE the blue end of the spectrum.
Lifespan of blue LEDs is pretty much infinite.

* White LEDs are not much more efficient than a decent halogen lamp. This is
in direct contradiction of many who promote LEDs as the lighting system of
the future. They do have a long lifespan, however. Figure on as much as
50,000 hours (for 50% light output). They are significantly more efficient
than the longlife lamps typically used in audio equipment, however.

* White LEDs are fundamentally different to all other LEDs. They use a blue
LED chip, with a fluorescent coating. The blue LEDs 'energises' the coating
(which is usually yellow) and the resulting output approximates white light.
Different coatings allow manufacturers to provide different types of colour
balance. VERY similar to the operating principles and colour temperatures of
fluorescent lamps. Without the efficiency of fluoros, of course. Fluoros are
still MUCH more efficient than LEDs, of course.

* Most LEDs have a very narrow angle of output. My favourites are Lumileds,
which exhibit a 120o spread of light. Perfect for backlighting those old
1970s Marantz receivers (blue dials, you see).


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au


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Old September 18th 14, 09:28 PM
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"Keith G" wrote in message
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"Trevor Wilson"
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Trevor's suggestion to get LEDs fitted is an interesting one but if the
light level is to bright I would have thought they would look hideous.
(TBH, if I couldn't fix them myself I wouldn't bother to get it done -
they don't do much other than look pretty!! ;-)


**LEDs are neat, because:

* They are available in some nice colours. Blue LEDs, particularly, offer
spectacular efficiency gains over incandescent.
* They are easily controllable, either by a simple constant current
source, or a resistor.
* There are at least three different shades of 'white' available to suit
most applications.



Last time I looked there were about 30 pages dedicated to LEDs in the
Maplins catalogue....


**Sounds about right. Just to re-iterate and to expand on some
misconceptions:

* Blue LEDs are far and away the best types to use for various reasons. They
offer about 5% of the power consumption of an incandescent lamp of about the
same light output. The reason is obvious, of course - Incandescent lamps
have pitiful output at higher frequencies (IE the blue end of the spectrum.
Lifespan of blue LEDs is pretty much infinite.

* White LEDs are not much more efficient than a decent halogen lamp. This is
in direct contradiction of many who promote LEDs as the lighting system of
the future. They do have a long lifespan, however. Figure on as much as
50,000 hours (for 50% light output). They are significantly more efficient
than the longlife lamps typically used in audio equipment, however.

* White LEDs are fundamentally different to all other LEDs. They use a blue
LED chip, with a fluorescent coating. The blue LEDs 'energises' the coating
(which is usually yellow) and the resulting output approximates white light.
Different coatings allow manufacturers to provide different types of colour
balance. VERY similar to the operating principles and colour temperatures of
fluorescent lamps. Without the efficiency of fluoros, of course. Fluoros are
still MUCH more efficient than LEDs, of course.

* Most LEDs have a very narrow angle of output. My favourites are Lumileds,
which exhibit a 120o spread of light. Perfect for backlighting those old
1970s Marantz receivers (blue dials, you see).


--
Trevor Wilson
Rage Audio -

The incandescent light bulbs in these Technics power amps are quite low level illumination. This may be seen as 'classy' it is certainly not 'pimp my ride'. The bulbs are mounted on two PCBs (parallelled) with five lamps on each board in series. The power supply to these boards is 37.3v AC, so each of the original bulbs is receiving approx 7.5v AC. LEDs may be an attractive option, indeed I find myself looking on this thread for that reason, but unless technology has moved on, note especially to Trevor Wilson, my experience of running LEDs on AC is that, although they will usually work, it dramatically reduces their expected life. So best stick in a simple 4-diode rectifier. Check the output DC voltage and calculate how many LEDs in series you will need to absorb the DC voltage measured. Paste these along the original PCB, so as not to contact any of the circuitry and not to obscure the original incandescents. Connect each end to the rectifier. For those to whom it is not 'too much work', there is a handy switch offered by Technics to switch off the meter display lights (it's a DPDT switch). Consider re-wiring this so that you can switch between your new pimped bright blue LEDs on DC and the original Technics incandescents on 37.3v AC.
 




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