You invited me long ago to visit and be tempted by vinyl. I told you I
couldnt come due to travel requirements.

Well I now have my own set of wheels (http://www.mnementh.co.uk/carpc/)
so if you want I can take you up on that.

Told you Im open minded enough to come listen.

I'll be visiting a friend in St Neots (are you still living there?) in
the near future so I'll have a couple hours on my return journey if
you're man enough to admit defeat toi SS... ;-)

If I have it done in time you can have a listen to me in car setup too ;-)

reply to me by mail as well as on the group if you like - I no longer
read here frequently.

"Ian Molton" wrote in message
...
You invited me long ago to visit and be tempted by vinyl. I told you I
couldnt come due to travel requirements.

Well I now have my own set of wheels (http://www.mnementh.co.uk/carpc/) so
if you want I can take you up on that.


:-)



Told you Im open minded enough to come listen.


:-)



I'll be visiting a friend in St Neots (are you still living there?) in the
near future so I'll have a couple hours on my return journey if you're man
enough to admit defeat toi SS... ;-)


Defeat to SS? What and then throw out the 9 different decks/computers that
can play CDs here (against just 2 turntables)!! Not to mention the 3/400
(500 counting the ones in the loft) CDs that are kicking about and the 1,200
or so albums I have 'digitised' to hard disk?? ;-)



If I have it done in time you can have a listen to me in car setup too ;-)


Hmm, you want Shiny Nigel for that - he's just swapped cars and has now got
a heap of spare car stuff (megawatts) that cost thousands (custom made with
his name engraved in it, I believe)...??



reply to me by mail as well as on the group if you like - I no longer read
here frequently.


OK.

"Ian Molton" wrote in message
...
You invited me long ago to visit and be tempted by vinyl. I told you I
couldnt come due to travel requirements.

Well I now have my own set of wheels (http://www.mnementh.co.uk/carpc/) so
if you want I can take you up on that.

Living in Cheshire as you do, aren't you supposed to have a black
Range Rover? :-)

--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

Keith G wrote:

Defeat to SS? What and then throw out the 9 different decks/computers that
can play CDs here (against just 2 turntables)!! Not to mention the 3/400
(500 counting the ones in the loft) CDs that are kicking about and the 1,200
or so albums I have 'digitised' to hard disk?? ;-)

Don't you find that a well digitised LP keeps its vinyl qualities,
especially if you leave in the snap,crackle and pop and the noise
of the lead-in/run-out grooves?

I have an album recorded from LP to cassette in 1975, then digitised,
which sounds much better than the CD I recently bought of it.
Being electronic, the CD sounds rather thin, but the copy from LP has
much more richness, depth and presence. :-)

--
Eiron

I have no spirit to play with you; your dearth of judgment renders you
tedious - Ben Jonson.

In message , Eiron
writes
Keith G wrote:

Defeat to SS? What and then throw out the 9 different decks/computers
that can play CDs here (against just 2 turntables)!! Not to mention
the 3/400 (500 counting the ones in the loft) CDs that are kicking
about and the 1,200 or so albums I have 'digitised' to hard disk?? ;-)

Don't you find that a well digitised LP keeps its vinyl qualities,
especially if you leave in the snap,crackle and pop and the noise
of the lead-in/run-out grooves?

I have an album recorded from LP to cassette in 1975, then digitised,
which sounds much better than the CD I recently bought of it.
Being electronic, the CD sounds rather thin, but the copy from LP has
much more richness, depth and presence. :-)

You wouldn't be a large Scandinavian legendary creature made out of rock
by any chance would you?
--
Chris Morriss

Stewart Pinkerton wrote:
"Ian Molton" wrote in message
...

You invited me long ago to visit and be tempted by vinyl. I told you I
couldnt come due to travel requirements.

Well I now have my own set of wheels (http://www.mnementh.co.uk/carpc/) so
if you want I can take you up on that.

Living in Cheshire as you do, aren't you supposed to have a black
Range Rover? :-)

LOL. Actually since shes passed her MOT Im thinking about treating her
to a nice coat of black paint and some silvery decals... I wonder if I
can find someone who'll blow her over with hammerite?

Actually Im seriously impressed with this little car.

Shes 17 years old now, and still going strong.

The engine is a 1.0 3 cylinder turbo diesel, Delivers 56kW and sounds
fantastic in the process. I do like an engine that talks back to me.

1st gear is brutally low ratio. Wheelspin is *easy* (not that I do, I
like not to have to buy new tyres!)

When I got her, she had huge holes in the rear pillars and the
drivers-side rear footwell had lost some underseal long ago leading to a
hole there too. That has all been welded up nicely, painted, and
re-undersealed. Then I found the two front springs were both broken
(amazing how well she drove like that - the previous owner had no idea
and neither did I until the front right broke in a 2nd place with a nice
loud bang on hard right lock).

Took her for MOT, and failed on one thing - the right rear brake
cylinder was jammed. freed it off with some gentle brute force and got a
clean pass.

Took the opportunity to replace the right rear wheelbearing when doing
the brake too - now no longer noisy.

Only issue now is the friont right strut appears to be going. Always
something, but at least we're into routine maintainence now instead of
rebuilding the car...

Oh, and got the injector nozzles done too - of the three two were near
dead and the remaining one was firing underpressure by 13%. All three
were sticking, too - which makes it astonishing that shes always started
on a turn!

She gets a comfortable 50-56 MPG without driving too gently.

Shes been named Rita after the new ride at Alton towers ('Rita, Queen of
Speed').

Chris Morriss wrote:

You wouldn't be a large Scandinavian legendary creature made out of rock
by any chance would you?

You may be thinking of Iain.

--
Eiron

I have no spirit to play with you; your dearth of judgment renders you
tedious - Ben Jonson.

Keith G wrote:

Larf all yew like Elrond, yesterday - idly musing, in anticipation of Ian's
visit, I paired up the Brothers In Arms CD and LP and was flicking between
them (which I can do) when Swim got back from the town. As she walked in I
said 'better or worse' on a quick snatch of both - she picked the LP
instantly. I did it twice more and she picked the LP again both times - I
could hardly tell between them....

Now, in case you *were* being serious (highly unlikely from a 'cassette' as
mentioned above) a good CDR of an LP is usually better than the equivalent
CD, in my book - probably due to mastering differences. (I have a small
number of albums MP3'd from both the CD and LP and can post snatches to
compare if anyone, who can make the allowance for MP3, wants to hear
them...??)

But can your better half tell the difference between an LP and a CDR
copy of the LP? That's the real test of whether a CDR preserves the
vinyl sound.


--
Eiron

I have no spirit to play with you; your dearth of judgment renders you
tedious - Ben Jonson.

"Keith G" wrote in message
.. .

"Eiron" wrote in message
...
Keith G wrote:

Larf all yew like Elrond, yesterday - idly musing, in
anticipation of Ian's visit, I paired up the Brothers In
Arms CD and LP and was flicking between them (which I
can do) when Swim got back from the town. As she walked
in I said 'better or worse' on a quick snatch of both -
she picked the LP instantly. I did it twice more and she
picked the LP again both times - I could hardly tell
between them....

Now, in case you *were* being serious (highly unlikely
from a 'cassette' as mentioned above) a good CDR of an
LP is usually better than the equivalent CD, in my
book - probably due to mastering differences. (I have a
small number of albums MP3'd from both the CD and LP and
can post snatches to compare if anyone, who can make the
allowance for MP3, wants to hear them...??)

But can your better half tell the difference between an
LP and a CDR
copy of the LP? That's the real test of whether a CDR
preserves the
vinyl sound.


I suppose so, but it preserves enough (probably all) of
the 'vinyl sound' for my purposes - fine for background
sound and as a 'needlesaver'....


I have access to a Neumann lathe which is still fully
operational, even though it was taken out of service
in 1985. I have tried many times to buy it, but the
guy who owns it won't let go, even for a trillion CD's :-)

Anyway, just before the hols, I cut a 14 inch acetate
of James Taylor "Fire and Rain" from a CD just for fun.
I cut the same title seven times, so that people
could compare the inner with the outer track.
Acetates have a very wide FR, with
low surface noise. No one I played it to could
distinguish the disc from the CD. It was a simple
AB test.

What people seem to misunderstand is the fact
that the approach to disc and CD mastering is
entirely different, which to a large degree is
responsible for the difference in CD and LP sound,
just as Keith has suggested above.

Disc mastering requires a very high degree of skill,
to meet the restrictions imposed by the medium.
The art of good disc mastering is to make as accurate
a transfer of the master tape as possible. Any
fool can make it different:-)

CD mastering , something I do a lot, is very simple.
so simple a chimp could do it (and judging by
the sound of some CD's maybe they do :-))
Restrictions are few, with the result that
the CD mastering stage is often regarded as an
extention of the artistic production phase,
so that the finished product can differ
quite substantially from the master tape. In my
experience, there is often a wish on the part of the
artist to "brighten and tighten" (something which has
already been done on the master if required during
the mixdown)

So, one finds there is very little difference
between a classical or jazz CD and a good vinyl
pressing, but often a huge difference in pop material.

Iain