Summat came up in an offlist conversation when I mentioned I had a picture
lifted from an early website. The question of reward/compensation arose
immediately. Which led me to....

How did the Music Industry (and Hollywood) ever manage to get the entire
world to play the 'Royalties Game'??

Why do 'artistes' expect to get paid over and over again for a job of work
they get/got paid for and which gets put into the Public Domain? A builder
can construct a ****ter for a busy market square and he'll get paid for his
work but he don't get a slice of every dump taken in it for the next hundred
years or whatever? IYSWIM...

The MI and film makers have done such a good mind job on the public
(including you) that everyone thinks it's only 'fair and right' that a
performer gets paid forever after when they knock out a tune and that any
reproduction of that 'work' is 'Intellectual Theft'....

Discuss by all means, but if you aren't able to think 'outside of the box'
you'll be wrong... ;-)

Keith G wrote:
Summat came up in an offlist conversation when I mentioned I had a
picture lifted from an early website. The question of
reward/compensation arose immediately. Which led me to....

How did the Music Industry (and Hollywood) ever manage to get the
entire world to play the 'Royalties Game'??

Discuss by all means, but if you aren't able to think 'outside of
the
box' you'll be wrong... ;-)

In this case Hollywood are not top at racking it it

Tetra are the best http://www.tetrapak.com/

Dr. Ruben Rausing, makes money every time a carton of milk or whatever
is in a tetra pack is sold

He is/was UK second richest person worth about £4 billion expect down
a couple when new list comes out with that Russian having moved here.

Top of the list if your into begging letters is Duke of Westminster,
£4.4 billion but with that Russian selling an oil company yesterday
27/09/05 £7.36 Billion

http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0...197250,00.html

But even the Russian is small change compared with the guy who has
knocked Bill Gates off the top lol Owner of Wal Mart and Asda £45.3
Billion

dot com bubble burst hurt Bill now worth £37.5 Billion also a few
court cases just did not go his way (should have bought the judges)

" Dave xxxx" wrote in message
.uk...
Keith G wrote:
Summat came up in an offlist conversation when I mentioned I had a
picture lifted from an early website. The question of
reward/compensation arose immediately. Which led me to....

How did the Music Industry (and Hollywood) ever manage to get the
entire world to play the 'Royalties Game'??

Discuss by all means, but if you aren't able to think 'outside of the
box' you'll be wrong... ;-)

In this case Hollywood are not top at racking it it

Tetra are the best http://www.tetrapak.com/

Dr. Ruben Rausing, makes money every time a carton of milk or whatever is
in a tetra pack is sold

I seem to remember also a royalty being paid to the chap who invented
the cat's eye, used on roads in GB. There must be quite a few of those too.

The irony of Tetrapack is that the Rausing brothers, from Sweden, tried to
sell the idea outright, and no one wanted to know.

Iain

Iain M Churches wrote:
" Dave xxxx" wrote in message
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Keith G wrote:

Summat came up in an offlist conversation when I mentioned I had a
picture lifted from an early website. The question of
reward/compensation arose immediately. Which led me to....

How did the Music Industry (and Hollywood) ever manage to get the
entire world to play the 'Royalties Game'??

Discuss by all means, but if you aren't able to think 'outside of the
box' you'll be wrong... ;-)

In this case Hollywood are not top at racking it it

Tetra are the best http://www.tetrapak.com/

Dr. Ruben Rausing, makes money every time a carton of milk or whatever is
in a tetra pack is sold


I seem to remember also a royalty being paid to the chap who invented
the cat's eye, used on roads in GB. There must be quite a few of those too.


The factory that makes these is just up the road from where I live, a
more run down collection of sheds you would have trouble finding.

http://www.halifaxtoday.co.uk/mk4cus...x?PageID=39556

--
Nick

On Thu, 29 Sep 2005 13:48:59 +0300, Iain M Churches wrote:

" Dave xxxx" wrote in message
.uk...
Keith G wrote:
Summat came up in an offlist conversation when I mentioned I had a
picture lifted from an early website. The question of
reward/compensation arose immediately. Which led me to....

How did the Music Industry (and Hollywood) ever manage to get the
entire world to play the 'Royalties Game'??

Discuss by all means, but if you aren't able to think 'outside of the
box' you'll be wrong... ;-)

In this case Hollywood are not top at racking it it

Tetra are the best http://www.tetrapak.com/

Dr. Ruben Rausing, makes money every time a carton of milk or whatever is
in a tetra pack is sold

I seem to remember also a royalty being paid to the chap who invented
the cat's eye, used on roads in GB. There must be quite a few of those too.



That would be Percy Shaw - I think he's no longer with us.

d

"Iain M Churches" wrote


I seem to remember also a royalty being paid to the chap who invented
the cat's eye, used on roads in GB. There must be quite a few of those
too.


How spooky is that? My father was one of the team that cast the *very first*
frames for cats-eyes!!

(He got paid, but he didn't get 'royalties' - intellectual* input don't get
the same shake as physical input it seems.... ;-)



The irony of Tetrapack is that the Rausing brothers, from Sweden, tried to
sell the idea outright, and no one wanted to know.



Happens all the time - the guy trying to sell Workmates struggled for 14
years to get someone to buy the idea. Finally got Black and Decker to buy it
on about the third attempt. His end of the deal was a quid for every one
sold - they've sold over 40 million of them!!

But this is still all related to people with *commercial interests* - my
problem is how this is stuck to Joe Public who is mercilessly exploited by
people/organisations who constantly whine about 'Intellectual Theft' and
'Piracy' from positions of great wealth. (Black BMWs mostly...)


*Intellectual? - The guy who invented cats-eyes? He was a thick old fart who
spent the rest of his life watching 6 tellies at the same time and eating
crisps - according to a TV prog I saw one time!!

"Keith G" wrote in message
...

"Iain M Churches" wrote


The irony of Tetrapack is that the Rausing brothers, from Sweden, tried
to
sell the idea outright, and no one wanted to know.



Happens all the time - the guy trying to sell Workmates struggled for 14
years to get someone to buy the idea. Finally got Black and Decker to buy
it on about the third attempt. His end of the deal was a quid for every
one sold - they've sold over 40 million of them!!

Plus there must be millions of look alikes, for which the poor
man doesn't get a penny:-((

Much less OT for this group is the fact that Ray Dolby tried to
sell the idea for his "S/N stretcher" as it was then called to
both Decca and EMI. He needed serious funding to get it
off the ground. Neither company thought it was a viable
idea. EMI were working on their own "compander" which
never got further than prototype testing.

Iain

"Iain M Churches" wrote in message
...

"Keith G" wrote



Happens all the time - the guy trying to sell Workmates struggled for 14
years to get someone to buy the idea. Finally got Black and Decker to buy
it on about the third attempt. His end of the deal was a quid for every
one sold - they've sold over 40 million of them!!

Plus there must be millions of look alikes, for which the poor
man doesn't get a penny:-((

Much less OT for this group is the fact that Ray Dolby tried to
sell the idea for his "S/N stretcher" as it was then called to
both Decca and EMI. He needed serious funding to get it
off the ground. Neither company thought it was a viable
idea. EMI were working on their own "compander" which
never got further than prototype testing.



Workmates OT for this group? WTF do you think speakers are made on?

Iain M Churches wrote:
I seem to remember also a royalty being paid to the chap who
invented
the cat's eye, used on roads in GB. There must be quite a few of
those too.

Thats right Percy Shaw came up with them, he use to drive home after a
few beers and had trouble staying on the road

He was a funny chap even when rich he use to use newspapers on his
kitchen table

as a cloth lol

" Dave xxxx" wrote in message
.uk...
Keith G wrote:
Summat came up in an offlist conversation when I mentioned I had a
picture lifted from an early website. The question of
reward/compensation arose immediately. Which led me to....

How did the Music Industry (and Hollywood) ever manage to get the
entire world to play the 'Royalties Game'??

Discuss by all means, but if you aren't able to think 'outside of the
box' you'll be wrong... ;-)

In this case Hollywood are not top at racking it it

Tetra are the best http://www.tetrapak.com/

Dr. Ruben Rausing, makes money every time a carton of milk or whatever is
in a tetra pack is sold

He is/was UK second richest person worth about £4 billion expect down a
couple when new list comes out with that Russian having moved here.

Top of the list if your into begging letters is Duke of Westminster, £4.4
billion but with that Russian selling an oil company yesterday 27/09/05
£7.36 Billion

http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0...197250,00.html

But even the Russian is small change compared with the guy who has knocked
Bill Gates off the top lol Owner of Wal Mart and Asda £45.3 Billion

dot com bubble burst hurt Bill now worth £37.5 Billion also a few court
cases just did not go his way (should have bought the judges)



Commercial organisations have no problems with royalties, licences etc. -
they pass it on to Joe Ordinaire...