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The Risible and Bizarre History of the Oinkerton Challenge, by the Victor



 
 
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Old December 8th 05, 03:41 PM posted to rec.audio.tubes,rec.audio.opinion,uk.rec.audio
Andre Jute
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Default The Risible and Bizarre History of the Oinkerton Challenge, by the Victor

This lie from PinkoThicko requires correction:

"Stewart 'Porg Butcher' Pinkerton" wrote:
: On 7 Dec 2005 15:25:11 -0800, "Andre Jute" wrote:
:
: Unfortunately there are a lot of posts about that time, as Patrick
: Turner was indulging his St Francis passion for salvaging lame vultures
: and trying to teach poor Pinkothicko, who had challenged me to a design
: contest, the basics of electronic design and making a ****ing awful
: meal of it because Pinko isn't called Thicko for nothing.
:
: I did no such thing, that's just more of your usual pathetic
: self-aggrandisement.


I was publishing the rationale for an ultrafidelity 300B amp in stages.
You, Pinkerton, kept interfering, deliberately wrecking discussion with
your silicon crap. When I told you, yes, you Pinko, to **** or get off
the pot, you claimed you could build a silicon amp with zero feedback
that would sound as good as my 300B amp. That's a challenge.

Graciously I stopped work on my own project to clear the decks for your
challenger, I thought for a week or two. The delay turned into many
months because it turned out that you, Pinkothicko were as pig-ignorant
of audio design as of everything else. It turned out that, before you
could design anything, you had to be given a crash course in audio
design by Patrick Turner and John Byrns.

Considering the results, those two guys get an A+ for goodwill and
trying really hard, but they an F- for failing to turn you into
anything that even remotely approximates an audio designer. (Turner and
Byrns will see me after class. Their apples had better be big and
shiny...)

After further huge delays while you, Pinkerton, tried to wriggle out of
your rash promise, you produced a piece of **** on paper that didn't
have the devices indicated, that was unbuilt, untested, undocumented,
and that broke every one of the rules of the contest. Oh yes folks, did
I mention yet, I permitted the foul Oinkerton to set his own rules for
the contest...

After you, Pinkerton, set the rules yourself, including zero feedback,
your little paper design used all kinds of feedback, twice as many
devices as were in the rules, etc, etc, an absolute travesty not only
as an audio device and a challenge but because it broke the rules you
made and agreed to.

You wriggled this way and that way, Pinkerton, but it was clear to
everyone that you lost the contest before you even started. Now you
claim you never made the challenge. Anyone can google to months of
exchanges about it. The challenge, the process and the outcome stand on
the record. You're a liar, Pinkerton, besides being a sore loser, an
electronics incompetent, and ill-mannered slime.

******
Incidentally... When I realized what a rolling, time-wasting
cluster**** the Pinkerton Challenger would turn out, I overnight
published my own simple, straightforward
silicon-that-sounds-approximately-like-tubes-design, built it, tested
it, played it while I waited for Pinkerton to stop wriggling as he
realized he was outmatched, and for the others to crucify him on his
rash promises. My entire love affair with silicon, including drilling
the box, took an afternoon with plenty of sunlight left to cycle my
favourite country lanes. You can read about it at Jute on Amps at
http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/ in the section 'CAN A TRANSISTOR BE
MADE TO SOUND LIKE TUBE AMP?' or by going directly to:
http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/K...dre%20Jute.htm
and
http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/K...dre%20Jute.htm
and you can see the schematic and photo in these three illustrations
http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/K...20mGBschem.jpg
http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/K...%20mGBmatr.jpg
http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/K...%20NoBleed.jpg

We still cannot see the Oinkerton Challenger anywhere, because even
it's 'designer', the incompetent and undiscriminating Pinkerton,
wouldn't waste his time building such a crappy 'design'. I'm playing my
miniGainBrick Zip right now...

*****

: And I'm not called Thicko at all, not be anyone
: with a functioning brain..........


You're the only one not have discovered that you are called Thicko, by
everyone. Even the wretched Arny has given up on you, running rather
than trying to defend your consistent bad advice and your pretense to
know anything at all about electronics.

I describe the etymology of Pinkothicko in a contemporaneous post.

: Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering


That explains everything about one of the most rigid railroad minds on
the net, which is really saying something on the audio engineering
conferences.

Andre Jute
Interdisciplinarian

Visit Jute on Amps at http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/
"an unbelievably comprehensive web site" -- Hi-Fi News & Record Review

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Old December 8th 05, 03:55 PM posted to rec.audio.tubes,rec.audio.opinion,uk.rec.audio
Arny Krueger
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Default The Risible and Bizarre History of the Oinkerton Challenge, by the Victor


"Andre Jute" wrote in message
oups.com...

You're the only one not have discovered that you are called Thicko, by
everyone.


False claim.

Even the wretched Arny has given up on you,


False claim.

running


False claim.

rather than trying to defend your consistent bad advice


False claim

and your pretense to know anything at all about electronics.


False claim.



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Old December 8th 05, 05:21 PM posted to rec.audio.tubes,rec.audio.opinion,uk.rec.audio
Andre Jute
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Default The Risible and Bizarre History of the Oinkerton Challenge, by the Victor


Arny Krueger's dull dittohead reply consists entirely of the words
"false claim" repeated over and over like a mantra, as if by saying it
often enough he can make someone believe it. So let's see what he is
trying to hide from us:

"Andre Jute" wrote in message
oups.com...

You're the only one not have discovered that you are called Thicko, by
everyone.


False claim.


How is it false, Arny? It may be hyperbolic, in that you are the last
person on earth not to realize that Pinko is Thicko, but your
humourless insistence on only the precise lowest common denominator
fresher-textbook meaning of the words doesn't detract from the fact
that the majority now think Pinko is Thicko.

Even the wretched Arny has given up on you,


False claim.


Well then, Arny, let's see you defend this thick, lying scumbag,
Pinkothicko. And when you finish with him we have another undesirable
for you to defend, one Graham Poopie Bear, who claims to be a famous
silicon designer of muzak gear.

running


False claim.


Making a dittohead pejorative stand is not the same as a reasoned
defence of your organ grinder's monkey, Pinkothicko.

You're still running away into obscurity, Arny. Probably
wise,considering that his behaviour and ignorance and lies are all
indefensible, but nonetheless cowardly and treacherous.

rather than trying to defend your consistent bad advice


False claim


You mean that lie you told about the bad advice not being from
Pinkothicko?

Let's generously give you this one, Arny: You told a lie in defence of
your organ grinder's monkey.

and your pretense to know anything at all about electronics.


False claim.


My case is proven. You have made no attempt to defend your monkey
Pinkerton by demonstating that he knows anything at all about
electronics. Shouting "ditto, ditto", dittohead, doesn't make you a
genius, dittohead, it makes you and easy target.

Here's a challenge, Arny, dear. Demonstrate that the egregious
Pinkerton isn't a fool and we'll believe once again that you aren't a
fool for having been fooled by him so long.

We should note that I wasn't fooled for a minute. The first time
Pinkerton tried to cuddle up to my ankles I kicked out his front teeth.
(1) Pinkerton was Arny's sidekick for years on end. That doesn't say
much for Arny's knowledge either.

Andre Jute

(1) In a year or two I shall post the same message about the latest
anklenipper on RAT, one Graham Poopie Bear, who claims to be a famous
muzak reproduction designer -- and then everyone except Arny, who will
dittohead me a liar as above because a year or two is far too short for
Arny to have a new idea, will claim to have known all along the fellow
was scum.

Here's my complete post that Arny cut because he doesn't want you to
see the shameful details of the his monkey Pinkerton's humiliation:

Andre Jute wrote:
This lie from PinkoThicko requires correction:


"Stewart 'Porg Butcher' Pinkerton" wrote:
: On 7 Dec 2005 15:25:11 -0800, "Andre Jute" wrote:
:
: Unfortunately there are a lot of posts about that time, as Patrick
: Turner was indulging his St Francis passion for salvaging lame vultures
: and trying to teach poor Pinkothicko, who had challenged me to a design
: contest, the basics of electronic design and making a ****ing awful
: meal of it because Pinko isn't called Thicko for nothing.
:
: I did no such thing, that's just more of your usual pathetic
: self-aggrandisement.


I was publishing the rationale for an ultrafidelity 300B amp in stages.

You, Pinkerton, kept interfering, deliberately wrecking discussion with

your silicon crap. When I told you, yes, you Pinko, to **** or get off
the pot, you claimed you could build a silicon amp with zero feedback
that would sound as good as my 300B amp. That's a challenge.


Graciously I stopped work on my own project to clear the decks for your

challenger, I thought for a week or two. The delay turned into many
months because it turned out that you, Pinkothicko were as pig-ignorant

of audio design as of everything else. It turned out that, before you
could design anything, you had to be given a crash course in audio
design by Patrick Turner and John Byrns.


Considering the results, those two guys get an A+ for goodwill and
trying really hard, but they an F- for failing to turn you into
anything that even remotely approximates an audio designer. (Turner and

Byrns will see me after class. Their apples had better be big and
shiny...)


After further huge delays while you, Pinkerton, tried to wriggle out of

your rash promise, you produced a piece of **** on paper that didn't
have the devices indicated, that was unbuilt, untested, undocumented,
and that broke every one of the rules of the contest. Oh yes folks, did

I mention yet, I permitted the foul Oinkerton to set his own rules for
the contest...


After you, Pinkerton, set the rules yourself, including zero feedback,
your little paper design used all kinds of feedback, twice as many
devices as were in the rules, etc, etc, an absolute travesty not only
as an audio device and a challenge but because it broke the rules you
made and agreed to.


You wriggled this way and that way, Pinkerton, but it was clear to
everyone that you lost the contest before you even started. Now you
claim you never made the challenge. Anyone can google to months of
exchanges about it. The challenge, the process and the outcome stand on

the record. You're a liar, Pinkerton, besides being a sore loser, an
electronics incompetent, and ill-mannered slime.


******
Incidentally... When I realized what a rolling, time-wasting
cluster**** the Pinkerton Challenger would turn out, I overnight
published my own simple, straightforward
silicon-that-sounds-approximately-like-tubes-design, built it, tested
it, played it while I waited for Pinkerton to stop wriggling as he
realized he was outmatched, and for the others to crucify him on his
rash promises. My entire love affair with silicon, including drilling
the box, took an afternoon with plenty of sunlight left to cycle my
favourite country lanes. You can read about it at Jute on Amps at
http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/ in the section 'CAN A TRANSISTOR BE

MADE TO SOUND LIKE TUBE AMP?' or by going directly to:
http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/K...dre%20Jute.htm
and
http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/K...dre%20Jute.htm
and you can see the schematic and photo in these three illustrations
http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/K...20mGBschem.jpg
http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/K...%20mGBmatr.jpg
http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/K...%20NoBleed.jpg


We still cannot see the Oinkerton Challenger anywhere, because even
it's 'designer', the incompetent and undiscriminating Pinkerton,
wouldn't waste his time building such a crappy 'design'. I'm playing my

miniGainBrick Zip right now...


*****


: And I'm not called Thicko at all, not be anyone
: with a functioning brain..........


You're the only one not have discovered that you are called Thicko, by
everyone. Even the wretched Arny has given up on you, running rather
than trying to defend your consistent bad advice and your pretense to
know anything at all about electronics.


I describe the etymology of Pinkothicko in a contemporaneous post.


: Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering


That explains everything about one of the most rigid railroad minds on
the net, which is really saying something on the audio engineering
conferences.


Andre Jute
Interdisciplinarian


Visit Jute on Amps at http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/
"an unbelievably comprehensive web site" -- Hi-Fi News & Record Review

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Old December 8th 05, 05:37 PM posted to rec.audio.tubes,rec.audio.opinion,uk.rec.audio
Arny Krueger
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Default The Risible and Bizarre History of the Oinkerton Challenge, by the Victor

"Andre Jute" wrote in message
oups.com
Arny Krueger's dull dittohead reply consists entirely of
the words "false claim" repeated over and over like a
mantra, as if by saying it often enough he can make
someone believe it. So let's see what he is trying to
hide from us:

"Andre Jute" wrote in message
oups.com...

You're the only one not have discovered that you are
called Thicko, by everyone.


False claim.


How is it false, Arny? It may be hyperbolic, in that you
are the last person on earth not to realize that Pinko is
Thicko, but your humourless insistence on only the
precise lowest common denominator fresher-textbook
meaning of the words doesn't detract from the fact that
the majority now think Pinko is Thicko.


So that's your defense Jute, you can't write and say what you mean?

Weak.

Even the wretched Arny has given up on you,


False claim.


Well then, Arny, let's see you defend this thick, lying
scumbag, Pinkothicko. And when you finish with him we
have another undesirable for you to defend, one Graham
Poopie Bear, who claims to be a famous silicon designer
of muzak gear.


Both good guys who are technically solid. Andre, if you believed in God and
died and went to heaven, then maybe God would let you sit at their feet and
learn what you need to know about electronics.

running


False claim.


Making a dittohead pejorative stand is not the same as a
reasoned defence of your organ grinder's monkey,
Pinkothicko.


I don't recognize that name, Pinkothicko. Sorry.

You're still running away into obscurity, Arny. Probably
wise,considering that his behaviour and ignorance and
lies are all indefensible, but nonetheless cowardly and
treacherous.


rather than trying to defend your consistent bad advice


False claim


You mean that lie you told about the bad advice not being
from Pinkothicko?


I don't recognize that name, Pinkothicko. Sorry.


Let's generously give you this one, Arny: You told a lie
in defence of your organ grinder's monkey.


Saying what one knows to be a fact is hardly lying.

and your pretense to know anything at all about
electronics.


False claim.


My case is proven. You have made no attempt to defend
your monkey Pinkerton by demonstating that he knows
anything at all about electronics.


Mir Pinkerton has amply demonstrated over the years that he knows quite a
bit about electronics in general and audio in particular.

Shouting "ditto,
ditto", dittohead, doesn't make you a genius, dittohead,
it makes you and easy target.


Where did I say "ditto, ditto"? I didn't. Sorry Jute, you lose!

Here's a challenge, Arny, dear. Demonstrate that the
egregious Pinkerton isn't a fool and we'll believe once
again that you aren't a fool for having been fooled by
him so long.


I don't recognize that name, egregious Pinkerton . Sorry.



We should note that I wasn't fooled for a minute. The
first time Pinkerton tried to cuddle up to my ankles I
kicked out his front teeth. (1) Pinkerton was Arny's
sidekick for years on end. That doesn't say much for
Arny's knowledge either.


False claim. I consider Mr. Pinkerton to be at least a peer.

Andre Jute

(1) In a year or two I shall post the same message about
the latest anklenipper on RAT, one Graham Poopie Bear,
who claims to be a famous muzak reproduction designer --
and then everyone except Arny, who will dittohead me a
liar as above because a year or two is far too short for
Arny to have a new idea, will claim to have known all
along the fellow was scum.


Note that I nowhere in this post did I call Jute a liar.

It appears that Mr. Jute is significantly reading-challenged or has some
kind of acute perceptual difficulties.



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Old December 8th 05, 11:32 PM posted to rec.audio.tubes,rec.audio.opinion,uk.rec.audio
Clyde Slick
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Default The Risible and Bizarre History of the Oinkerton Challenge, by the Victor


"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...



..good guy


false claim

technically solid


false calim

believed in God


false claim

died


most unfortunately a false calim

went to heaven


impossible claim


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Old December 8th 05, 06:48 PM posted to rec.audio.tubes,rec.audio.opinion,uk.rec.audio
John Byrns
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Default The Risible and Bizarre History of the Oinkerton Challenge, by the Victor

In article .com, "Andre
Jute" wrote:

Well then, Arny, let's see you defend this thick, lying scumbag,
Pinkothicko. And when you finish with him we have another undesirable
for you to defend, one Graham Poopie Bear, who claims to be a famous
silicon designer of muzak gear.


The silicon muzak gear was all junk with poor sonics, the truly great
muzak gear was the tube stuff, I have a muzak single ended amplifier using
one of RCA's best output tubes in a great little amplifier.


Regards,

John Byrns


Surf my web pages at, http://users.rcn.com/jbyrns/
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Old December 8th 05, 07:01 PM posted to rec.audio.tubes,rec.audio.opinion,uk.rec.audio
John Byrns
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Default The Risible and Bizarre History of the Oinkerton Challenge, by the Victor

In article , Jon Yaeger
wrote:

in article , John Byrns
at
wrote on 12/8/05 2:48 PM:

In article .com, "Andre
Jute" wrote:

Well then, Arny, let's see you defend this thick, lying scumbag,
Pinkothicko. And when you finish with him we have another undesirable
for you to defend, one Graham Poopie Bear, who claims to be a famous
silicon designer of muzak gear.


The silicon muzak gear was all junk with poor sonics, the truly great
muzak gear was the tube stuff, I have a muzak single ended amplifier using
one of RCA's best output tubes in a great little amplifier.


Regards,

John Byrns


Surf my web pages at,
http://users.rcn.com/jbyrns/


If Muzak, as used here, was transmitted on an SCA carrier, wasn't the sonic
range rather limited -- even with a "perfect" amplifier?


That came later, muzak as I am using it was transmitted on Ma Bell's phone
wires using much Western Electric equipment along the way between the
muzak tape players in the downtown muzak office and the supermarket in the
suburbs.


Regards,

John Byrns


Surf my web pages at, http://users.rcn.com/jbyrns/
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Old December 8th 05, 07:00 PM posted to rec.audio.tubes,rec.audio.opinion,uk.rec.audio
George M. Middius
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Default Goofball, beware!



John Byrns said:

I have a muzak single ended amplifier using
one of RCA's best output tubes in a great little amplifier.


I'll bet that's an amp that could kill a Goofball.




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Old December 8th 05, 07:50 PM posted to rec.audio.tubes,rec.audio.opinion,uk.rec.audio
Goofball_star_dot_etal
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Default Goofball, beware!

On Thu, 08 Dec 2005 15:00:36 -0500, George M. Middius cmndr
[underscore] george [at] comcast [dot] net wrote:



John Byrns said:

I have a muzak single ended amplifier using
one of RCA's best output tubes in a great little amplifier.


I'll bet that's an amp that could kill a Goofball.


Not if I get to hit it with my handbag first.

 




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