I'd like to buy an audio CD recorder. I already have a Pioneer PDR509 and
was thinking of a PDR609. However it seems this is no longer available. So
can anyone suggest an alternative that is still on sale? (Or is the PDR609
still around?)

Having had a search on the web I have the impression that Marantz, Sony,
Yamaha, and Denon may do CD recorders. However the models I've found
details of are all either:

1) CDR and HD

2) Dual drive

I don't want to 'clone' CDs. Nor do I really need a HD - although I might
go for that option if I can't find my preference which is simply for a
machine that works as the PDR509 or 609...

So, any models people can recommend?

Also, if anyone has one of the Yamaha CDR + HD machines, can they comment
on how easy they are to use for the following type of process:

1) Make a long recording (i.e. 80 mins) from radio whilst unattended. Of
something like a R3 concert.

2) Then edit the results (both to set track starts/ends to divide the
recording, and the remove unwanted sections) and write to one or more CDRs.

Also on if the HD make any audible mechanical noises whilst recording or
replaying. (Ditto for any fans if the machine has them.)

Slainte,

Jim

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Jim Lesurf wrote:
I'd like to buy an audio CD recorder. I already have a Pioneer PDR509
and was thinking of a PDR609. However it seems this is no longer
available. So can anyone suggest an alternative that is still on
sale? (Or is the PDR609 still around?)

Having had a search on the web I have the impression that Marantz,
Sony, Yamaha, and Denon may do CD recorders. However the models I've
found details of are all either:

1) CDR and HD

2) Dual drive

I don't want to 'clone' CDs. Nor do I really need a HD - although I
might go for that option if I can't find my preference which is
simply for a machine that works as the PDR509 or 609...

So, any models people can recommend?

Also, if anyone has one of the Yamaha CDR + HD machines, can they
comment on how easy they are to use for the following type of process:

1) Make a long recording (i.e. 80 mins) from radio whilst
unattended. Of something like a R3 concert.

2) Then edit the results (both to set track starts/ends to divide the
recording, and the remove unwanted sections) and write to one or more
CDRs.

Also on if the HD make any audible mechanical noises whilst recording
or replaying. (Ditto for any fans if the machine has them.)

Slainte,

Jim

I've used HHB CDR-830 for a long time without any problems.

Rolo

Rolo Tomassi wrote:

I've used HHB CDR-830 for a long time without any problems.

I was just gonna suggest that myself - they're great!

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Jim Lesurf wrote:
I'd like to buy an audio CD recorder. I already have a Pioneer PDR509 and
was thinking of a PDR609. However it seems this is no longer available. So
can anyone suggest an alternative that is still on sale? (Or is the PDR609
still around?)

Having had a search on the web I have the impression that Marantz, Sony,
Yamaha, and Denon may do CD recorders. However the models I've found
details of are all either:

1) CDR and HD

2) Dual drive

I don't want to 'clone' CDs. Nor do I really need a HD - although I might
go for that option if I can't find my preference which is simply for a
machine that works as the PDR509 or 609...

So, any models people can recommend?


I had a NAD double CD recorder - worked fine except for curious, very
small, 'glitches' between tracks when copying CDs - shouldn't matter in
your case. Very quiet - no fan.

Also, if anyone has one of the Yamaha CDR + HD machines, can they comment
on how easy they are to use for the following type of process:


I use a Yamaha HD1300, bought for the HD and analogue recordings.

1) Make a long recording (i.e. 80 mins) from radio whilst unattended. Of
something like a R3 concert.


It can do this according to the manual. The HD is split into 99 minutes
partitions; anything over that simply crosses over to another partion -
never tried it.

2) Then edit the results (both to set track starts/ends to divide the
recording, and the remove unwanted sections) and write to one or more CDRs.


You can indeed, but it's hardly intuitive. Ditto titles etc, although I
got a cheap serial-USB lead so I can do it on a (Windows) computer,
yippee. I'll test it to see if you like.

Also on if the HD make any audible mechanical noises whilst recording or
replaying. (Ditto for any fans if the machine has them.)

The HD makes occasional clicks, and a mild mechanical hum during use.
Not too bad, and the nature of these things. When the fan kicks in it is
noticeable, not fantastically loud though. Good ventilation around the
back means it rarely comes on, but bear in mind the unit is very deep,
so siting can be an issue.

Seems very well built, never missed a beat, copies are very good. But I
don't use it as much as I might because the interface makes editing
tricky, or perhaps more accurately - difficult for me to remember.

It's been upgraded to a 250gb model (HD1500 - mine's a 160Gb, but disks
are easy to change, c.450UKP). If you're going this route I'd take a
look at the Cambridge HD CD recorder - although I think they're both
overpriced. HTH

Rob

Jim Lesurf wrote:
I'd like to buy an audio CD recorder. I already have a Pioneer PDR509 and
was thinking of a PDR609. However it seems this is no longer available. So
can anyone suggest an alternative that is still on sale? (Or is the PDR609
still around?)

Having had a search on the web I have the impression that Marantz, Sony,
Yamaha, and Denon may do CD recorders. However the models I've found
details of are all either:

1) CDR and HD

2) Dual drive

I don't want to 'clone' CDs. Nor do I really need a HD - although I might
go for that option if I can't find my preference which is simply for a
machine that works as the PDR509 or 609...

So, any models people can recommend?

Also, if anyone has one of the Yamaha CDR + HD machines, can they comment
on how easy they are to use for the following type of process:

1) Make a long recording (i.e. 80 mins) from radio whilst unattended. Of
something like a R3 concert.

2) Then edit the results (both to set track starts/ends to divide the
recording, and the remove unwanted sections) and write to one or more CDRs.

Also on if the HD make any audible mechanical noises whilst recording or
replaying. (Ditto for any fans if the machine has them.)

Slainte,

Jim

definately get something with a hard disk. After getting exasperated
mucking up(and hence wasting countless discs) when recording directly
onto a cd, I just use the computer these days, which enables me to edit
the files, save to mp3 if need be, etc etc.
Plus the unreliability, relative scarcity and expense of audio cd-r
discs means i hardly ever use my audio cd burner..... might be better
to invest in a decent sound card and big HDD for your PC instead..

Jim Lesurf wrote:
I'd like to buy an audio CD recorder. I already have a Pioneer PDR509 and
was thinking of a PDR609. However it seems this is no longer available. So
can anyone suggest an alternative that is still on sale? (Or is the PDR609
still around?)

Having had a search on the web I have the impression that Marantz, Sony,
Yamaha, and Denon may do CD recorders. However the models I've found
details of are all either:

1) CDR and HD

2) Dual drive

I don't want to 'clone' CDs. Nor do I really need a HD - although I might
go for that option if I can't find my preference which is simply for a
machine that works as the PDR509 or 609...

So, any models people can recommend?

Also, if anyone has one of the Yamaha CDR + HD machines, can they comment
on how easy they are to use for the following type of process:

1) Make a long recording (i.e. 80 mins) from radio whilst unattended. Of
something like a R3 concert.

2) Then edit the results (both to set track starts/ends to divide the
recording, and the remove unwanted sections) and write to one or more CDRs.

Also on if the HD make any audible mechanical noises whilst recording or
replaying. (Ditto for any fans if the machine has them.)

Slainte,

Jim

Pardon if I don't understand exactly what you want nor your conventions;
We do American English here, and I sometimes find that I don't quite get
the message from the UK.

The most awesome way that I know of to record off the air is with a
Video Cassette Recorder (hi-fi, stereo). The drill is that you leave
your radio tuner on and use the VCR's timer to switch on the recording
at the preferred time. I actually bought a VCR specifically to record a
program that comes on on Sunday morning at 4:00 AM. And then I
discovered that I'm located in the shadow of the broadcast signal and
can't receive acceptable audio from the station.

Some VCRs have been very sophisticated in their sound controls,
especially the better-grade machines. Dig it: you get six hours of
recording time. The fidelity is outstanding, just a couple of dB short
of the Compact Disk's S-N ratio. In my experience, the FM station does
not exist that comes anywhere near transmitting this dynamic range. The
fidelity of this type of VCR is so good that is should be able to make
an outstanding recording off the FM tuner at its slowest speed. The
signal goes down on the tape esentially as a video signal recorded in
FM. It's recorded in a helical pattern just like the video, not like the
low-fi video mono track, which is straight slow-speed analog sound.

What you do is connect the VCR's audio inputs as if it was a cassette
deck. You can send what you record out from the VCR to, let's say, a
stand-alone CD recorder or into your computer's sound inputs. There'll
be no picture.

Note that not every VCR will do this. The issue is the synch signal.
Some VCRs provide the signal themselves. Such a machine will work
perfectly. But other VCRs take their synch from the broadcast picture
signal and use it to control the tape movement. With a machine like
this, the music-only recording will be miserable. I can't tell you how
to select one type vs the other, but a repair person may know.

The best way to buy a really good older VCR is from a repair shop --
people abandon machines and the repairman is stuck with them after
having fixed them. Usually the "customer" didn't provide the remote
control, but often, an aftermarket remote control will work the VCR's
essential functions just fine. Now how do you find a VCR repair shop
that's still in business?

I'm saving my Samsung 1996 VCR with all the knobs on it, biding my time,
waiting and scheming.

Richard (in Richmond, California)

In article ,
Richard Steinfeld wrote:
The most awesome way that I know of to record off the air is with a
Video Cassette Recorder (hi-fi, stereo). The drill is that you leave
your radio tuner on and use the VCR's timer to switch on the recording
at the preferred time.

How do you listen to these in the car?

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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Richard Steinfeld wrote:

The most awesome way that I know of to record off the air is with a
Video Cassette Recorder (hi-fi, stereo). The drill is that you leave
your radio tuner on and use the VCR's timer to switch on the recording
at the preferred time.


How do you listen to these in the car?

My suggestion is for an intermediate medium. Sorry; I forgot to explain
this. You've got to transfer the audio to another medium -- cassette
tape or CD, MP3, OGG-Vorbis (insert medium here). But the Video
recording may be so good that the sound will withstand the transfer just
fine, so long as you don't want audiophile results.

Richard

"Richard Steinfeld" wrote in message
...

The most awesome way that I know of to record off the air is with a Video
Cassette Recorder (hi-fi, stereo).
....
The fidelity is outstanding, just a couple of dB short of the Compact
Disk's S-N ratio. In my experience, the FM station does not exist that
comes anywhere near transmitting this dynamic range.

Very practical. But there is fairly heavy companding applied to hide the
head switching noise so I suspect they might not be that good for some type
of material, for example high quality piano music. And the only way to edit
is to transfer to another medium.

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Tony wrote:
"Richard Steinfeld" wrote in message
...

The most awesome way that I know of to record off the air is with a Video
Cassette Recorder (hi-fi, stereo).

...

The fidelity is outstanding, just a couple of dB short of the Compact
Disk's S-N ratio. In my experience, the FM station does not exist that
comes anywhere near transmitting this dynamic range.


Very practical. But there is fairly heavy companding applied to hide the
head switching noise so I suspect they might not be that good for some type
of material, for example high quality piano music. And the only way to edit
is to transfer to another medium.


All true. With transmitted broadcast classical music, I didn't hear any
detriment -- but on one program, I found audio artifacts in the picture!
The sound of a slamming gate must have been overmodulated (the end of
_The Life and Crimes of William Palmer_ (did I remember correctly?).

The piano example would be a good test, I agree. I'm not suggesting this
for audiophile work, but who knows. I've never seen this used. Lack of
experience doesn't prevent from making grand prounouncements.

Richard