On Wed, 18 Jan 2006 19:37:13 -0800, "ScottW"
wrote:

Now... how much of your original statement is left?..... not much.

Enough that you now apparently believe EXACTLY what I said.

Delusion confirmed. Somebody call a medic.

OK, so now Dish Network DOESN'T suffer from compression artifacts.

I wish you'd make up your mind.

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: : "Don Pearce" wrote in message
: : ...
: : On Tue, 17 Jan 2006 17:29:56 GMT, wrote:
: :
: : As for HD - it is going to be worse. No broadcaster is going to
spend
: : the kind of bandwidth necessary for high quality transmission of
HD.
: : There may be areas of screen with nice fine detail, but the rest
will
: : be a disgusting mess of MPEG artifacts - much worse than today
on
: : standard definition. Forget what you have seen so far on the
demos -
: : that doesn't reflect future reality.
: :
: : d
: : I hate to disagree with you, but the first time I saw an HD
picture it
was
: : on a rear projection TV that was tuned to a channel broadcasting
an HD
: : picture, not a demo. I was immediately aware of the improved
quality of
: : the
: : picture and more impressed because of the fact that it was rear
: : projection.
: :
: : One of my friends moved recently and has a TV that he bought 3
years ago
: : that was HD capable but he'd enver had it hooked up to a HD
signal. Now
: : that he has, he tells me he almost hates to go out because of the
: : improvement. It's like watching everything for the first time.
: :
: :
: :
: :
: : Don't worry, you aren't disagreeing with me. HD is brilliant - it
is
: : the future of HD that is going to be full of disappointment as
more
: : and more channels want to get in on the act.
: :
: : Not a problem.... the phone companies are gonna leapfrog the cable
: : companies with FttP (fiber to the premise) and bring megabandwidth
to the
: : problem.
: :
: : Hows a 20 fold increase in bandwidth over cable sound?
: :
: :
http://www22.verizon.com/about/commu...echnology.html
: :
: : Rollouts are in progress in virtually every major metro area in the
country.
: :
: : ScottW
: :
: actually, it says:
: "
: a.. Fiber technology provides nearly unlimited bandwidth,
: a.. as much as 20 times faster than today's fastest
: a.. high-speed data connections."
:
: which is pretty nondescriptive.
: around here, that'd be 400 Mbs, not bad, but rather underutilizing
: fiber capacity.
:
: Gross underestimation of cable bandwidth noted. They don't like
: publicize but you seem to be assuming that all of cables BW is used for
: internet... I'm guessing its only a fraction.

repeated reading error noted. it says "high speed data connections", that
has nothing to do with the cable bandwidth. *that* would be, depending
on length and quality, up to several Gbs for cable. you're confusing total
capacity with the fraction that is currently reserved for _data
connections_.
:
: For example... if 1080i HD requires 20 to 30 Mbs (I don't know the
: number so I've no reason to doubt you).... then cable is bringing about
: 400 Mbs into my home for HD alone today... I have no idea what the
: total BW cable offers but if your number is correct... it has to be
: around 2gig or so.

that is what is broadcasted, not a data connection over cable.
:
:
: 4 Mbs satellite up/downstreams i've seen are pretty
: good for normal quality tv channels, HD done the right way is some
: 20 to 30 Mbs, so no way you can have many HD channels on a 400 Mbs
: capacity link

Your entire response has shown this comment to be irrelevant.
Fiber is going to far exceed 400Mbs. Users will get all the HD they
are willing to pay for.


:
: some problems with ftth rollout:
:
: world fiber production capacity being where it is, just to facilitate
the US
: alone would take decades of production
:
: I am not aware of any fiber shortage... lets see a reference. Last I
: looked.. Dow was having a problem keep fiber prices where they wanted
: them.

sorry, what *you*'re not aware of doesn't set any standard. as Ferstler
would
say: trust me, i know of what i speak :-)

I trust no one on usenet I don't know. So a little research shows no
mention of fiber shortage
since '01 and that was semicustom stuff. No doubt FttP rollout will take
time and have its
hiccups... but it is and will continue to happen.
I only hope Verizon's aggressive plan for putting fiber past 6 million homes
by the end of '06
will motivate SBC to get off the dime.

ScottW

On Wed, 18 Jan 2006 19:37:13 -0800, "ScottW"
wrote:

Funny thing.. I don't recall ever going out of my way to watch something
on TV on a schedule except a sporting event.

Well, that says it all, doesn't it. Your one dimensionalistic tastes
don't surprise me though.

BTW, I've used "TIVO" (to use the new generic term for manipulating
live TV events) to even time shift live sporting events by a few
minutes when it's more convenient for me to watch something slightly
later than "live" (or when I don't want to be subjected to
commercials). After all, if I don't know the outcome, it doesn't
matter to me that the events occured 30 minutes before.

For you to be so freaked out about seeing something "not live" shows
you to be the Luddite that Arnold accuses others of.

On Wed, 18 Jan 2006 19:37:13 -0800, "ScottW"
wrote:

No it wasn't. First of all, it was confined to satellite
transmissions.

What happenned to storage? What happenned to the problem being a US
one?

I think you misunderstand. I mean storage in the network archives, the
source of the programming supplied to Dish Networks.

Then the problem would extend beyond dishnet... and it does not.

Then it MUST be compression on the satellite's end.

I win.

Again.

"dave weil" wrote in message
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On Wed, 18 Jan 2006 19:37:13 -0800, "ScottW"
wrote:

Not living in Europe anymore, not living in Japan, not living anywhere
other than the US, I'm not qualified to comment on the quality of
those delivery systems.

Why not dave? Don't you know that geosync satellite system cover a lot
more
than the continental US and you could easily find that dishnet, direct,
and
other satellite services are offered beyond our borders. You really
don't
have to limit yourself to only what you think you can experience.

Yes, i know that systems like Astra exist. Until I actually SEE them,
I'm not going to comment on them You might try that sometime.

I was actually referring to the fact that dishnet and DirectTV operate in
more than just the US... offering exactly the same signal you get.

ScottW

"dave weil" wrote in message
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On Wed, 18 Jan 2006 19:37:13 -0800, "ScottW"
wrote:

Now... how much of your original statement is left?..... not much.

Enough that you now apparently believe EXACTLY what I said.

Delusion confirmed. Somebody call a medic.

OK, so now Dish Network DOESN'T suffer from compression artifacts.

I wish you'd make up your mind.

I wish you could tell the difference between being exactly correct and only
~1/4 correct.

Have you figured out that package size impact yet?

ScottW

"dave weil" wrote in message
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On Wed, 18 Jan 2006 19:37:13 -0800, "ScottW"
wrote:

Funny thing.. I don't recall ever going out of my way to watch something
on TV on a schedule except a sporting event.

Well, that says it all, doesn't it. Your one dimensionalistic tastes
don't surprise me though.

BTW, I've used "TIVO" (to use the new generic term for manipulating
live TV events) to even time shift live sporting events by a few
minutes when it's more convenient for me to watch something slightly
later than "live" (or when I don't want to be subjected to
commercials). After all, if I don't know the outcome, it doesn't
matter to me that the events occured 30 minutes before.

For you to be so freaked out about seeing something "not live" shows
you to be the Luddite that Arnold accuses others of.

Sure Dave.... bash my preference... you are borg.

ScottW

"dave weil" wrote in message
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On Wed, 18 Jan 2006 19:37:13 -0800, "ScottW"
wrote:

No it wasn't. First of all, it was confined to satellite
transmissions.

What happenned to storage? What happenned to the problem being a US
one?

I think you misunderstand. I mean storage in the network archives, the
source of the programming supplied to Dish Networks.

Then the problem would extend beyond dishnet... and it does not.

Then it MUST be compression on the satellite's end.

I win.

Again.

Lets see... out of 4 nutty ideas you tossed out... one was right. You go
blind squirrel.

ScottW

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"dave weil" wrote in message
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On Wed, 18 Jan 2006 19:37:13 -0800, "ScottW"
wrote:

Not living in Europe anymore, not living in Japan, not living anywhere
other than the US, I'm not qualified to comment on the quality of
those delivery systems.

Why not dave? Don't you know that geosync satellite system cover a lot
more
than the continental US and you could easily find that dishnet, direct,
and
other satellite services are offered beyond our borders. You really
don't
have to limit yourself to only what you think you can experience.

Yes, i know that systems like Astra exist. Until I actually SEE them,
I'm not going to comment on them You might try that sometime.

I was actually referring to the fact that dishnet and DirectTV operate in
more than just the US... offering exactly the same signal you get.

Oh.. and that signal is the same regardless of their package size.

ScottW

On Wed, 18 Jan 2006 20:27:00 -0800, "ScottW"
wrote:

Sure Dave.... bash my preference

So said the guy who bashed me on King of the Hill.