Arny Krueger wrote:
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Clyde Slick wrote:
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I've said that all along, been saying it for years.

It's a red herring all along, its been a red herring for years.


Red hering? Its the essence of the issue. Preference...
waht makes one more satisfied when listening to music.

That is the one basic and underlying flaw of DBT and objectivism,
it ignores preferences under sighted conditions,

Not at all. Preferences under sighted conditions are fine, if there is
any
reliably perceptible difference to base those preference son.

NO, the preference is based upon perceptions when sighted,
based upon differences perceived when sighed. The 'no difference'
result during the test become moot, after the test is over, and the
perceptioms of difference return.

We've got another live one who thinks that all sighted evaluations should
not be questioned on the grounds that sighted identification of the unit
under test is a relevant uncontrolled variable. :-(

Your fantasies about what *I* believe are neither true
nor good entertainment.. If you allow I'd rather speak for myself. I
believe that:
1) My judgment about the relative qualities of and differences between
audio components is preferable to yours, sighted, blinded or ABXed. No
doubt you believe the reverse. And that is exactly how it should be.
2) I believe that getting blinded when comparing is a good idea: it
helps concentration and deals with one MINOR facet of a thousand
possible biases tied to a thousand personality characteristics.
3) Knowing that Joe whose taste and preferences I despise compared
something in audio blinded while Tom, whose taste I respect, saw what
he compared will not make me prefer Joe's choices.
4) I'm inclined to think that memorising A, then B and then comparing
both with X is an impossible task for many people. It is for me.
I may be wrong. Who knows?. No decent research work was reported
to show that this method *works* ( ie. helps most audio consumers to
recognise differences between comparable audio components) . And as
years have been passing by it is less and less likely that this basic
job will ever be done.
5) I'm also inclined to think that a "test" for component
differences/preferences that works for all and one of millions of
different brains is a pipe-dream
6) That does not diminish my respect for your ingenuity. Your ABX may
be a valuable training method in *paying attention* . It certainly does
no physical harm to its practitioners. Whether it is a good idea to
make them think that if the can not hear something it does not exist
for anyone is another matter.
Ludovic Mirabel