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On 10 Feb 2006 15:54:22 -0800, "Andy Evans"
wrote:

Pinkerton:
the Cambridge unit will provide audibly superior performance

That's impossible - all amplifiers sound the same. This would be a
faith based assumption, presumably?

Where did you see anyone say that? You just made it up, like your
fairy tales about the sound of passive components.

I note that you are now so devoid both of credible argument and
morality, that you are reduced to snipping out of context, and flat
lying. Quelle surprise...............

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On 10 Feb 2006 15:50:21 -0800, "Andy Evans"
wrote:

Pinkerton:
that would be more in the ò50-750 range, where sonic transparency up
to realistic SPLs is certainly achievable into the vast majority of
speakers. As I also
noted, you need to spend at least ten times that to get something
'high end' that *really* screws up the sound,

So amplifiers all sound the same except some sound the same louder.

Not what Isaid, of course, so just another pathetic strawman from
Evans, who wouldn't recognise a credible argumemnt if he fell over one
in the street.

But
all amplifiers sound the same so that's impossible, they all sound the
same. My problem with you is not your faith based assumptions but the
fact that you may be misleading others on this newsgroup.

Evans, you have *many* problems of a deeply troubling nature, but that
isn't one of them. Do you really think that plain *lying* will give
you any credibility? BTW, I thought you said you were out of here -
just another dumb lie? Get help, quickly.............

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On 10 Feb 2006 15:52:19 -0800, "Andy Evans"
wrote:

Pinkerton:
I use a Krell because I have insensitive 3-ohm speakers, and it's
also
a useful reference for comparisons.

Why would you need a reference for comparisons, since all amplifiers
sound the same?.

Who ever said that? Just another cheap lie from Evans, in his usual
braindead style. BTW, I need a reference becaise lying clowns like you
would otherewise claim that I'd never heard a decent amplifier. Also
because when comparing amps into difficult speakers, I *know* that the
Krell isn't going to run out of steam.

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Why would you need a reference for comparisons, since all amplifiers
sound the same?.

Pinkerton then unthinkingly said::
Who ever said that?

You did - you've just participated in a long thread which stated that
the scientific evidence was that ampliers couldn't be distinguished
from each other in DBTs. Jim gave you the references which you clearly
haven't had the courtesy to read, or maybe you don't want to read the
evidence so you can continue with your faith based assumptions that
your Krell sounds 'better' just because you want it to? That isn't
science, that's faith, and typical of the woolly self-centred rhetoric
you use in place of science.

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So amplifiers all sound the same except some sound the same louder.

Not what I said, of course: ingenuously ventured Pinkerton

I don't think you even know what you are saying anymore. Amplifiers
sound the same in DBTs out of one side of your mouth and various actual
amplifiers including of course yours, which you chose on that basis,
sound 'better'. Do you want to make a choice between these two views or
are you happy to muddle along in a hypocritical way saying the first
words that come out of your mouth?

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the Cambridge unit will provide audibly superior performance Said Pinkerton

That's impossible - all amplifiers sound the same. This would be a
faith based assumption, presumably?
Said Andy

Where did you see anyone say that? A confused Pinkerton said

You said it. And of course you'll say it again, and again, and again.
And then you'll say that in DBTs, scientific evidence has established
that listeners can't tell one amplifier from another. And then in the
next post you'll go back to saying that the Cambridge unit or the Krell
unit or the Audiolab unit will provide audibly superior performance.
And then when you fancy it you'll tell us all again that in DBTs,
scientific evidence has established that listeners can't tell one
amplifier from another. And then you'll tell us about another amplifier
that sounds 'audibly superior'. And then...... but we know the rest by
now.

Newbie question on amplifers (sorry!)
 

"Andy Evans" wrote in message
oups.com...
So amplifiers all sound the same except some sound the same louder.

Not what I said, of course: ingenuously ventured Pinkerton

I don't think you even know what you are saying anymore. Amplifiers
sound the same in DBTs out of one side of your mouth and various actual
amplifiers including of course yours, which you chose on that basis,
sound 'better'. Do you want to make a choice between these two views or
are you happy to muddle along in a hypocritical way saying the first
words that come out of your mouth?

Andy, if I may be permitted to enter this discussion?

Stewart uses a Krell because his 'speakers are a 3 ohm load, which very
little else will drive. There is no conflict between our view that all
amplifiers sound the same when used within their design parameters and the
use of a Krell. Krells are designed to work down to 1 ohm, and few others
will do this, therefore, into a 3 ohm load, the Krell will be used within
its design parameters, whereas others will not be.

It also follows that a Krell will be usable as a reference against which
other amplifiers can be judged since it will perform within its design
parameters into any known loudspeaker load. Into normal loads, the Krell
will sound no different to any other competent amplifier.

S.

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"Andy Evans" wrote in message
oups.com...
So amplifiers all sound the same except some sound the same louder.

Not what I said, of course: ingenuously ventured Pinkerton

I don't think you even know what you are saying anymore. Amplifiers
sound the same in DBTs out of one side of your mouth and various actual
amplifiers including of course yours, which you chose on that basis,
sound 'better'. Do you want to make a choice between these two views or
are you happy to muddle along in a hypocritical way saying the first
words that come out of your mouth?

Andy, if I may be permitted to enter this discussion?

Stewart uses a Krell because his 'speakers are a 3 ohm load, which very
little else will drive. There is no conflict between our view that all
amplifiers sound the same when used within their design parameters and the
use of a Krell. Krells are designed to work down to 1 ohm, and few others
will do this, therefore, into a 3 ohm load, the Krell will be used within
its design parameters, whereas others will not be.

It also follows that a Krell will be usable as a reference against which
other amplifiers can be judged since it will perform within its design
parameters into any known loudspeaker load. Into normal loads, the Krell
will sound no different to any other competent amplifier.

S.

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Hello Serge: your posts are clearly argued and easy to read.

Before defending Pinkerton you might want to deliberate on why he tells
people
"the Cambridge unit will provide audibly superior performance" or
various other such things that slip indiscriminately out of his mouth,
and which he seems to conveniently forget he said. You might come to
the conclusion that there are some serious double standards going on in
this newsgroup. You may come to the conclusion that in practice even
hardened proponants of the scientific method will casually say "to my
ears this sounds better than that". You may then come to the same
conclusion as I did - that if people are doing one thing in theory and
another in practice, then it may be interesting to re-examine the
theory. Andy

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In article .com,
Andy
Evans wrote:
Why would you need a reference for comparisons, since all amplifiers
sound the same?.

Pinkerton then unthinkingly said:: Who ever said that?

You did - you've just participated in a long thread which stated that
the scientific evidence was that ampliers couldn't be distinguished from
each other in DBTs. Jim gave you the references which you clearly
haven't had the courtesy to read, or maybe you don't want to read the
evidence so you can continue with your faith based assumptions that your
Krell sounds 'better' just because you want it to? That isn't science,
that's faith, and typical of the woolly self-centred rhetoric you use in
place of science.

Not certain what "Jim gave" that Andy is referring to here. But if it is the
two references I mentioned in the 'One for the bottleheads" thread, then what
Andy says about them above takes them out of context and makes a misleading
statement about them. The references neither say, nor provide evidence for,
the assertion that *all* amplifiers "sound the same". Nor, so far as I
know, has Stewart or anyone else I can recall ever claimed this.

Andy: If you want to make such assertions about what Stewart has said, then
please specify the time and date of posting of the statements you are
referring to, and quote them in context. This would then allow Stewart *and
others* to make their own assessments of your assertions, and of what he
has *actually* said. If you had read and understood the references I gave,
you would, yourself, be aware that they simply don't say what you assert.

Slainte,

Jim

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