Do amplifiers sound different?uad
 

In article ,
Stewart Pinkerton wrote:
You never need to trust an engineer - unless you fly...... :-)

Or cross a bridge... or go into a tall building... or... :-)

Thinking of the 'Millenium Bridge' in London, Andy may have a point
about some of the dodgier engineers........... :-)

But it looks good and glows in the dark...

--
*Caution: I drive like you do.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

Do amplifiers sound different?uad
 

In article .com, Andre Jute
wrote:
If you think I've misunderstood something you posted, then it would be more
helpful to explain it than to accuse me of being a "liar" or taking a
"negative and obstructive view". I simply take views based on what I read.

In particular, if I've grasped the wrong indended meaning of your words,
please correct my misunderstanding and tell me what you really mean to imply
with the words "a different class of person, one of culture rather than a
technician" (your words, verbatim), and what exactly is a "jumped-up techie"
(your words, verbatim, again)?

Rod.

Here is the text Stewart snipped from my letter in order to hide his
dishonesty from you. Nothing further needs to be said. --Andre Jute

******
2. When someone does write out the qualifications, you snip dishonestly
to make your preconceived points. For instance, to establish your claim
above that "you [Jute] have difficulty with the concept of somebody
with technical knowledge also being competent to understand art, or
'culture'", from my very first reply to your silly allegation you
snipped my direct statement to the contrary: "Oh, by the way, not only
didn't I say what you accuse me of saying...*** I said exactly the
opposite***... that I know many cultured engineers, in this same
thread, in messages which appeared on the newsgroup hours before you
wrote your cramped, ill-informed, slanted, wrongheaded reply." Then you
repeatedly snip my iterated refutations of your claim while hammering
on about your misinterpretation of my straightforward words. That is
deliberate, iterative dishonesty.

There, I haven't snipped it this time, but you still haven't answered my pefectly
simple question: what did you mean to imply with the words "a different class of
person, one of culture rather than a technician", and what exactly is a
"jumped-up techie"?

I don't doubt that you know many "cultured engineers", but calling me a "jumped
up techie", refusing to explain what you mean by this despite several requests,
and then calling me wrongheaded, biased, deliberatley dishonest, and several
other not very complememtary things when I am simply trying to get you to explain
your own words doesn't answer the question.

Rod.

Do amplifiers sound different?uad
 

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Stewart Pinkerton wrote:
You never need to trust an engineer - unless you fly...... :-)

Or cross a bridge... or go into a tall building... or... :-)

Thinking of the 'Millenium Bridge' in London, Andy may have a point
about some of the dodgier engineers........... :-)

But it looks good and glows in the dark...




It's got 300Bs on it...??!!

:-)

Do amplifiers sound different?uad
 

"Stewart Pinkerton" wrote in message
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On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 09:59:15 -0000, "Keith G"
wrote:


"John Phillips" wrote


snip pricky stuff


It is difficult to generalize but most of the successful engineers I
know are also highly cultured people. Indeed, lunch today will be with
an engineering manager friend who plays the clarinet and I look forward
to discussing the programming of a forthcoming concert in which he will
perform. I find that good engineers often have a broader appreciation
of culture than those who claim the title "cultured" for themselves.


This phrase 'good engineers' bothers me....

(Implies there engineers who are *not* good - where do the they go then??)

They design wobbly footbridges - and valve amps....... :-)



OK either one of those activities is better than.......

;-)

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"Stewart Pinkerton" wrote in message
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On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 09:59:10 -0000, "Keith G"
wrote:


"Stewart Pinkerton" wrote


I suspect you are right about the 'Class A' thing and am hoping to
grab
a
Class A SS amp for reasonable money in a couple of says time to check
it
out
for myself and compare it with the Class A valve amps I already have.

I mostly use a Class A Krell amplifier - it sounds just like my
low-bias Class AB Audiolab amplifier.................


There is *no question* that my Class A valve amps sound better than my AB
valve amps...

Sure there's a question - ever try a blind level-matched comparison?


Hundreds of 'em...



Perhaps it's your speakers?

They are a tough load, but highly transparent - very good at sorting
the men from the boys in the amplifier department.


An 'efriend' of mine uses Apogees with only valve amps - see 'Konrad' on the
ukra pages...



The smaller and lower-powered the better. There is a suspicion held by
more ultrafidelista than just the microwatters that higher power in
itself interferes with desirable delicacy in one's sound.

Those are the words of Fruitius Loopius, but I happen to agree. I am a lot
more comfortable with the idea that there isn't too much *constriction*
going on in the amp/speaker arrangement....

There is if you constrict the amp to less than ten watts!

That's because they are idiots who think SET amps sound good, so they
make up these fairy stories about proper amplifiers in order to
ascribe some magical property to their pathetic flea-power crap.

:-)

It's the word 'pathetic' that says most here - FWIW, no-one much can stand
the 'loudness' of my 8 watt 300B SET at half volume here.....

Depends on the speakers, don't it?


Yep.

Serge was measuring mine at (I think) 101 dB peaks at about 2m with the
volume at the 10 o'clock mark (ish), IIRC...???



I can crank my Krell flat out without causing listener fatigue - they
don't realise how loud it is until they try to talk above the music.


Bin there, dun that. Can do it again any time...


Now *that* has always been a good test of a clean system for me. Maybe
it's your speakers? :-)

OK, I know that's fightin' talk, pilgrim!


Not really, I've got no problem with your approach, if that's the way you
want to do it. (At least you don't use slurry pumps...) But mark my words -
high sensitivity speakers are on their way back, leaving the slurry pumps
for AV use...



The
term 'ultrafidelista' is of course just more of your pretentious
twaddle.

Yes, he means 'ultrafidelitians' I suspect.... ;-)

Who ever knows *what* the heal the idiot Jute really means? There's
always about three hundred lines of purple prose, with a dozen words
of content (if you're lucky).


I see his posts as a string of missed opportunities and exercises in
self-alienation....


Doesn't include me, btw - I'm not hung up on 'fidelity', I'm a *consumer*
who is more interested in the sound than the signal...

Quite right, too!


There you go then! ;-)

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"Stewart Pinkerton" wrote in message
...
On 14 Feb 2006 03:30:55 -0800, "Andy Evans"
wrote:

Keith wrote: My problem (or saving grace) is that I accomodate the
change in sound from different items of audio gear very quickly, which
is why I so elicit the opinions of others when the opportunity presents
- I'm interested in what they think, I don't need then to tell me what
I like.......

I hope Keith won't mind my referring to this as typical of higher
Factor A, showing "openness, flexibility, attention to people, ability
to co-operate, adaptability and an easy-going nature". In other posts
I've referred at some length to low Factor A and its association with
engineers as a group.

And it's a fine illustration of how actual high fidelity sound is low
on the list of priorities, getting all empathetic is much more
important. You see, a high factor A doesn't really bring 'openness and
flexibility', just a desperate need to 'fit in', regardless of the
reality of the situation.


Me fit in???

Me??

Ooh, I don't think so.....

;-)

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"Stewart Pinkerton" wrote


Yes, I'm very hip to the 'Zen' of flea-power amps moving serious air with
large, sensitive speakers, myself.

The idea of an arc-welder driving a pair of ironing boards is a bit like a
V8 motorcar being driven with the handbrake permanently on, in my
book......

Isn't that very *American* - needing 200 watts to do 55 mph....??? :-)

Ah, but my ironing boards are lifting bodies, and can do Mach 5!


Must have fekkin' long wires on 'em then!


Your approach is more like a Sinclair C5, lots of squawking but no
real progress................... :-)


:-)

Not everybody's cuppertee, that's for sure - Serge didn't like it much, but
he's far too polite to say so!! :-)

Please contribute generously to moral fibre for Jute
 

On 15 Feb 2006 05:03:40 -0800, "Andre Jute" wrote:

Stewart Pinkerton wrote:
On 13 Feb 2006 11:00:11 -0800, "Andre Jute" wrote:

Jem Raid wrote:
Make a gainclone

I did, while I waited months and months for Stewart Pinkerton to design
and build a silicon homage to my KISS 300B which was calling KISASS.
Unfortunately, Pinko's design turned out so stinko that even he refused
to build it.

Firstly, KISASS is not a homage to anything, it's simply a superior SS
alternative to a minimalist SET design - but not a 'good' amplifier by
any reasonable standard, which is why I didn't build it. Secondly, you
never built KISS, so get off your high horse.

Perhaps we should take up a collection on UKRA to buy you spectacles,
Pinkostinko. Photos of versions of my T39 KISS Amp have been sitting on
the net for years. Here's a photo that has been sitting there since
around a fortnight before you thought of your wretched KISASS travesty,
say 15 months:
http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/t39kiss001.jpg
None so blind as those who don't want to see, eh, Pinko?

Interesting that this doesn't appear anywhere in the KISS part of your
'fiultra' website - but no doubt it will by tomorrow, and you'll claim
that it's been there for years................................

Of course, if you really didn't know of these photographs, it is a dire
commentary on your universal unpopularity that, even as you repeatedly
for more than a year now made a fool of yourself by claiming I didn't
build an amplifier that everyone else knows I have built over and over
and over in various incarnations, no one told you where to find the
photographs. I feel sorry for you, Pinko.

Perhaps it's more telling that you have not until now produced this
magic rabbit from your hat, and that no one has ever supported you in
the intervening period. My 'unpopularity' is as nothing compared with
the contempt in which you are held on the audio newsgroups......

Furthermore, don't you claim to be an engineer, more particulary an
electronics engineer? How is it that an "electronics engineer" cannot
see instantly that another amp repeatedly discussed *with reference to
the photographs* on RAT while you hung around like a bad smell, my T68
"Minus Zero" potato amp, is in fact only the T39 KISS Amp with the 300B
removed and the 417A used as power tubes?

You describe it as 'a development mule for The KISS Amp 300B driver
stage', but there's never been any indication that you actually
completed a KISS - for whatever that would be worth, crippled child
that it is. My KISASS suffers many of the same problems of course, but
is intrinsically more linear - quieter, if you will.

Or do you call yourself an electronics engineer because your mommie
said you could? Postman Pinko, mommie's little "engineer". Lovel-ly!

Actually, I call myself an engineer because several major engineering
corporations have put it in my job title. Should you find yourself on
the wrong end of a Tigerfish torpedo, an M1 Abrams main battle tank, a
Bradley fighting vehicle, or a Harrier jump jet, you'll find some of
my engineering making your life very interesting....................

--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

Do amplifiers sound different?uad
 

On Wed, 15 Feb 2006 23:05:12 -0000, "Keith G"
wrote:


"Stewart Pinkerton" wrote in message
.. .
On 14 Feb 2006 03:30:55 -0800, "Andy Evans"
wrote:

Keith wrote: My problem (or saving grace) is that I accomodate the
change in sound from different items of audio gear very quickly, which
is why I so elicit the opinions of others when the opportunity presents
- I'm interested in what they think, I don't need then to tell me what
I like.......

I hope Keith won't mind my referring to this as typical of higher
Factor A, showing "openness, flexibility, attention to people, ability
to co-operate, adaptability and an easy-going nature". In other posts
I've referred at some length to low Factor A and its association with
engineers as a group.

And it's a fine illustration of how actual high fidelity sound is low
on the list of priorities, getting all empathetic is much more
important. You see, a high factor A doesn't really bring 'openness and
flexibility', just a desperate need to 'fit in', regardless of the
reality of the situation.


Me fit in???

Me??

Ooh, I don't think so.....

;-)

You don't strike me as one of Andy's 'high factor A' guys...... :-)
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

Please send your surplus decency to Stewart Pinkerton -- and pray for his ASS
 

Anyone with a shred decency, publicly faced with photographic proof
that for over a year he has falsely been calling someone a liar, would
apologize. Stewart Pinkerton instead launches into further unproven,
unprovable allegations. Stewart Pinkerton is lying scum beyond
redemption.

Pinkerton's despicable "designs" don't get built. He twisted this way
and that way as he tried not to publish a schematic for his wretched
KISASS "design", and -- seeing the way its incompetence was savaged
merely from the description -- who can blame him?

My designs get built. And are used and enjoyed. Here for your enjoyment
is The KISS Amp 300B "Ultrafi" proto again, the one the lying scumbag
Pinkerton claims was never built:
http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/t39kiss001.jpg

So when will you be building your KISASS, Pinkerton? Go on, sport, we
can do with a good laugh.

Andre Jute
Charisma is the art of inducing apoplexy in losers merely by existing

Stewart Pinkerton wrote:
On 15 Feb 2006 05:03:40 -0800, "Andre Jute" wrote:

Stewart Pinkerton wrote:
On 13 Feb 2006 11:00:11 -0800, "Andre Jute" wrote:

Jem Raid wrote:
Make a gainclone

I did, while I waited months and months for Stewart Pinkerton to design
and build a silicon homage to my KISS 300B which was calling KISASS.
Unfortunately, Pinko's design turned out so stinko that even he refused
to build it.

Firstly, KISASS is not a homage to anything, it's simply a superior SS
alternative to a minimalist SET design - but not a 'good' amplifier by
any reasonable standard, which is why I didn't build it. Secondly, you
never built KISS, so get off your high horse.

Perhaps we should take up a collection on UKRA to buy you spectacles,
Pinkostinko. Photos of versions of my T39 KISS Amp have been sitting on
the net for years. Here's a photo that has been sitting there since
around a fortnight before you thought of your wretched KISASS travesty,
say 15 months:
http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/t39kiss001.jpg
None so blind as those who don't want to see, eh, Pinko?

Interesting that this doesn't appear anywhere in the KISS part of your
'fiultra' website - but no doubt it will by tomorrow, and you'll claim
that it's been there for years................................

Of course, if you really didn't know of these photographs, it is a dire
commentary on your universal unpopularity that, even as you repeatedly
for more than a year now made a fool of yourself by claiming I didn't
build an amplifier that everyone else knows I have built over and over
and over in various incarnations, no one told you where to find the
photographs. I feel sorry for you, Pinko.

Perhaps it's more telling that you have not until now produced this
magic rabbit from your hat, and that no one has ever supported you in
the intervening period. My 'unpopularity' is as nothing compared with
the contempt in which you are held on the audio newsgroups......

Furthermore, don't you claim to be an engineer, more particulary an
electronics engineer? How is it that an "electronics engineer" cannot
see instantly that another amp repeatedly discussed *with reference to
the photographs* on RAT while you hung around like a bad smell, my T68
"Minus Zero" potato amp, is in fact only the T39 KISS Amp with the 300B
removed and the 417A used as power tubes?

You describe it as 'a development mule for The KISS Amp 300B driver
stage', but there's never been any indication that you actually
completed a KISS - for whatever that would be worth, crippled child
that it is. My KISASS suffers many of the same problems of course, but
is intrinsically more linear - quieter, if you will.

Or do you call yourself an electronics engineer because your mommie
said you could? Postman Pinko, mommie's little "engineer". Lovel-ly!

Actually, I call myself an engineer because several major engineering
corporations have put it in my job title. Should you find yourself on
the wrong end of a Tigerfish torpedo, an M1 Abrams main battle tank, a
Bradley fighting vehicle, or a Harrier jump jet, you'll find some of
my engineering making your life very interesting....................

--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering