WHY STEWART PINKERTON IS UNRELIABLE

2. THE STATISTICS OF MALICE
In the latter part of 2004, at the request of leading members, I
started a major project called KISS on rec.audio.tubes (RAT). Pinkerton
arrived and announced he would deconstruct the project. Between the
beginning of October 2004 and the middle of February 2006 he sent 4607
messages to RAT, a labour conservatively estimated to have taken him
767 hours, or more than a quarter of his working hours in the same
period, the major part of his free time. He told us that the purpose
was to expose my ignorance and prevent others following in my
footsteps. His 4607 posts were all abusive. Only one, considered below,
was electronically specific enough for me to consider comparing it to
what I had published. As the result of Pinkerton's 4607 posts, not a
single line of the booklength KISS materials was altered, not a single
fact was altered, not a single schematic was altered in the slightest.
As the result of Pinkerton's 4607 posts, no party interested in the
KISS project in the beginning dropped out, and no one who became
interested during its course was deterred in the slightest.
Pinkerton's 4607 vicious posts gave him great satisfaction, according
to him, but had no other result whatsoever (except to make
Pinkerton's name a byword for barbaric insensitivity and foul
manners). In all Pinkerton's 4607 posts counted here, he did not once
analyze the circuit of the amp he objected to while it stood for more
than a year on public view. By contrast to Pinkerton's vicious and
loud slackness, Patrick Turner analyzed the circuit and made
suggestions which were incorporated, and John Byrns made another
important suggestion which we shall shortly discuss and then
incorporate because I have already tested it. From Pinkerton all this
while, zero. In short, Pinkerton's claim of my ignorance is a sham,
an excuse for him to indulge his malicious urge to bring pain to
everyone else, 4607 times in 15 months on a single newsgroup.

Andre Jute

Part of a series of articles:
WHY STEWART PINKERTON IS UNRELIABLE
1. BACKGROUND
2. THE STATISTICS OF MALICE
3. PINKERTON'S IGNORANCE OF THE BASICS
4. PINKERTON LIES ON PROFESSIONAL MATTERS FOR PERSONAL REASONS
5. CONCLUSION

"Andre Jute" wrote in message
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WHY STEWART PINKERTON IS UNRELIABLE

2. THE STATISTICS OF MALICE
In the latter part of 2004, at the request of leading members, I
started a major project called KISS on rec.audio.tubes (RAT).

Translation: Jute said he was going to start a project called KISS so that
he could perhaps impress some of the SET lovers with yet another example of
a ****ty sounding amp.

Pinkerton
arrived and announced he would deconstruct the project.

Translation: Jute took somebody else's design from a book he read and
claimed it was his own and when Stewart saw what a piece of crap it was said
he could build a similarly simple SS amp.

Between the
beginning of October 2004 and the middle of February 2006 he sent 4607
messages to RAT, a labour conservatively estimated to have taken him
767 hours, or more than a quarter of his working hours in the same
period, the major part of his free time.

Based on teh math of someone with not only way to much free time, but
someone who apparently can't type very fast.

He told us that the purpose
was to expose my ignorance and prevent others following in my
footsteps.

Tranlation: Stewart was going to expose Jute's ignorance and try to prevent
others from following in Jute's footsteps.

His 4607 posts were all abusive.

Unlike Jute's posts which are complete crap.

Only one, considered below,
was electronically specific enough for me to consider comparing it to
what I had published.

IOW, it was the only one simpleenough for you to understand.

As the result of Pinkerton's 4607 posts, not a
single line of the booklength KISS materials was altered, not a single
fact was altered, not a single schematic was altered in the slightest.

IOW, Jute didn't change a thing bcause he didn't have another book to copy
from.

As the result of Pinkerton's 4607 posts, no party interested in the
KISS project in the beginning dropped out, and no one who became
interested during its course was deterred in the slightest.

IOW, nobody built the KISS amp, not even Jute.

Pinkerton's 4607 vicious posts gave him great satisfaction, according
to him, but had no other result whatsoever (except to make
Pinkerton's name a byword for barbaric insensitivity and foul
manners).

IOW, Jute was shown for the incompetent boob that everybody already knew he
was.

In all Pinkerton's 4607 posts counted here, he did not once
analyze the circuit of the amp he objected to while it stood for more
than a year on public view.

Something you couldn't possibly know.

By contrast to Pinkerton's vicious and
loud slackness, Patrick Turner analyzed the circuit and made
suggestions which were incorporated, and John Byrns made another
important suggestion which we shall shortly discuss and then
incorporate because I have already tested it.

After how long? A year? Two?

From Pinkerton all this
while, zero. In short, Pinkerton's claim of my ignorance is a sham,
an excuse for him to indulge his malicious urge to bring pain to
everyone else, 4607 times in 15 months on a single newsgroup.

IOW Stewart designed and built his KISS Ass amp and then waited for Jute to
build his. Finally he posted a picture of the amp which was shown to have
been taken just a few days ago and not at the time Jute claims he built it.

By the way McCoy I just won $5000.00 betting that you would launch yet
another tirade against Stewart.

How would you know that an amp NOT YET BUILT would sound "****ty"? Hey
duh!mikey, does anyone pay you to be an asshole like this?

So: Either McCoy is incompetent, or McCoy both lies and is
incompetent? By your contention, you must chose one of these as you
cannot have it both ways.

But, most every one here knew that already.

Peter Wieck
Wyncote, PA

wrote:

"Andre Jute" wrote in message
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WHY STEWART PINKERTON IS UNRELIABLE

2. THE STATISTICS OF MALICE
In the latter part of 2004, at the request of leading members, I
started a major project called KISS on rec.audio.tubes (RAT).

Translation: Jute said he was going to start a project called KISS so that
he could perhaps impress some of the SET lovers with yet another example of
a ****ty sounding amp.

Unfortunately for you, SET amps are not necessarily ****ty sounding.
At rec.audio.tubes, ppl are expected to be positively interestested in tube
craft,
rather than have a destructive agenda.

Stewart Pinkerton, aka Oinkerton the Pig, is like somebody who would join in
discussions
at rec.radio.amateur.homebrew by trying to tell all the assembled hobbyists and
other
commercial interested folks there that they are a stupid bunch of fools because
they
dare to build their own radio gear when of course it is easier and more
effective to use the Internet
to transfer information.





Pinkerton
arrived and announced he would deconstruct the project.

Translation: Jute took somebody else's design from a book he read and
claimed it was his own and when Stewart saw what a piece of crap it was said
he could build a similarly simple SS amp.

What does onw call one's own amp that one builds? One calls it one's own.
It may be almost identical to other designs, but it is the amp that Andre built,

and Andre has a right to say it is his, so ppl know that, and know the
differences between it and anyone else's design.

Pinkerton failed to establish why Andre's amp was a piece of crap,
and failed quite miserably to build anything better, and durung the process
rightly earned his nickname as Oinkerton, because his attidude was
the same as a person insisting he sell pork in a synogogue.





Between the
beginning of October 2004 and the middle of February 2006 he sent 4607
messages to RAT, a labour conservatively estimated to have taken him
767 hours, or more than a quarter of his working hours in the same
period, the major part of his free time.

Based on teh math of someone with not only way to much free time, but
someone who apparently can't type very fast.

Andre simply points out the fact that Oinkerton posted a pile of many unwanted,
unappreciated
and idiotic posts at rec.audio.tubes.
I don't know if Oinkerton posted 46, 460, 4,600 times.
But he did post a great amount of ****, none of which earned him the slightest
amount of
respect amounf the few here with a real interest in tube craft of amoung the
closit
solderers who build home brew solid state gear.



He told us that the purpose
was to expose my ignorance and prevent others following in my
footsteps.

Tranlation: Stewart was going to expose Jute's ignorance and try to prevent
others from following in Jute's footsteps.

But Oinkerton's ignorance is far worse, and anyone following in his footsteps
will get bogged
and smelly so much faster than if you followed in Andre's steps.





His 4607 posts were all abusive.

Unlike Jute's posts which are complete crap.

Oinkerton is anti tubecraft, Andre is pro-tubecraft.

Thius is a tube craft group; rec.audio.tubes is its title.

if you cannot or will not contribute positively to tube craft
then **** off.



Only one, considered below,
was electronically specific enough for me to consider comparing it to
what I had published.

IOW, it was the only one simpleenough for you to understand.

As the result of Pinkerton's 4607 posts, not a
single line of the booklength KISS materials was altered, not a single
fact was altered, not a single schematic was altered in the slightest.

IOW, Jute didn't change a thing bcause he didn't have another book to copy
from.

Jute's circuit works. There was no reason for him to change anything.

Before you so stupidly try to convince us Andre is merely copying out what he
found in a book,
please provide evidence to support your alegations.
From which book did Andre copy his info from?



As the result of Pinkerton's 4607 posts, no party interested in the
KISS project in the beginning dropped out, and no one who became
interested during its course was deterred in the slightest.

IOW, nobody built the KISS amp, not even Jute.

Pinkerton's 4607 vicious posts gave him great satisfaction, according
to him, but had no other result whatsoever (except to make
Pinkerton's name a byword for barbaric insensitivity and foul
manners).

IOW, Jute was shown for the incompetent boob that everybody already knew he
was.

Not correct.
Oinkerton admitted before ceasing to post at rec.audio tubes for some months
that
he hadn't built the supposedly simple SS amp he had designed.
He had no intention to build a working sample, test it honestly, post the
results,
and do so all without posting personally inflamatatory comments about the
300B amp.

To anyone reading r.a.t who has an IQ above 50, Oinkerton seems to come across
as a
complete jerk.

Andre may be wordy, and long winded, but he's fundementally here for the tubes.
He has a flair for demolishing ppl like Oinkerton, something Oinkerton begs for.

Unfortunately, the argy bargy between the two doesn't look good to the fragiles
who come here
to talk tubes, they go away, seeking safer refuges where their opinions won't be

attacked by jerks like Oinkerton.

Oinkerton's presence s has degraded what might otherwise be a good discussion
group.
Despite this time of year being cool in the northern hemisphre with ppl mainly
locked indoors
with their hobbies at least at night, hardly anyone is building gear and
discussing the experiences
here like they used to.
One reaon is that Oinketon and his sympathisers are too everpresent.

Oinkerton would be immediately banned, filtered out, kill filed in any moderated
group.



In all Pinkerton's 4607 posts counted here, he did not once
analyze the circuit of the amp he objected to while it stood for more
than a year on public view.

Something you couldn't possibly know.

By contrast to Pinkerton's vicious and
loud slackness, Patrick Turner analyzed the circuit and made
suggestions which were incorporated, and John Byrns made another
important suggestion which we shall shortly discuss and then
incorporate because I have already tested it.

After how long? A year? Two?

And what exactly is your analysis?

Just what informative and useful point are you trying to make?



From Pinkerton all this
while, zero. In short, Pinkerton's claim of my ignorance is a sham,
an excuse for him to indulge his malicious urge to bring pain to
everyone else, 4607 times in 15 months on a single newsgroup.

IOW Stewart designed and built his KISS Ass amp and then waited for Jute to
build his. Finally he posted a picture of the amp which was shown to have
been taken just a few days ago and not at the time Jute claims he built it.

By the way McCoy I just won $5000.00 betting that you would launch yet
another tirade against Stewart.

But you made yourself look like a complete loser.

Feel welcome to collect the 5 grand.

Exactly what contributions to tube craft are you going to make?

Patrick Turner.

I don't know about any mccoy or if he is lying, etc, all I know is that
one needs to be some mother of an asshole to deem an amp one has never
heard as "****ty" sounding.

I think that descriptive was of a class of amps, not of any given
example of that class. Although I agree in principle with what you say.


The brute fact of the matter is that flea-power amps (whether SET or
otherwise) have severe limitations such that under most normal field
conditions they would almost have to sound '****ty'. SET then brings
with it its own addiitonal set of problems that restrict "non-****ty"
behavior even more.

There are circus performers who can suspend a dozen or more spinning
china plates on the top of thin sticks. As long as he works hard at it,
the plates will stay in place. But that would be a rather ****ty way to
store them permanently.

Peter Wieck
Wyncote, PA

I don't see why he would be obliged to appease your demands for attribution.

Of course you don't.

Peter Wieck
Wyncote, PA

Fella wrote:

"I once watched a movie about this dude who was into collecting old
stone
78 records. He would collect them, feverishly listen to them, and he
would glorify their sound, their "presence" in parties where such
similar people would gather and exchange ideas, experiences, tips, etc.
Now this was a hobby to these folk. And these folk *prefered* to listen
to music from that medium and they lived and acted out their hobby. I
ask you this, how assholistic of me, how (oin)pinkertonistic of me
would
it be that I somehow would constantly attend those parties and make fun
of these people? I would tell them that 78rpm stone records sound
"****ty" that they have a lot of presence because LOL that's the ONLY
thing they have, that the medium is outdated, that they are idiots to
think that they are listening to music with all those audible
colorations attached, etc??? How arnykruegeristic of me would that be,
Peter? That I actually harras them, that I insult them, patronize them?
Would such a behaviour on my part arouse the kind of anger that this
Jute fella is displaying currently? "

Your post really gets to the heart of the matter. I'm willing to bet
that none of the (ir)regular denizens of RAO and RAT will make a
meaningful reply to it.

TB

So in general, I am under the impression that whoever is angry at this POS old inflated ego stew of warts oinkerton must probably have a good reason to be so.

True.

But against your contention is, and to take your example of the 78s,
what if that same advocate were to state that "ONLY" 78s were fit to
represent music, and all non-believers in 78s were apostates or worse.
And then further, state that only his interpretation of the sound of
78s had any validity.

He might gather more than a few detractors. Some of them might even get
strident. Most fanatics get quite unhappy when their particular
religion is challenged. And when that challenge has actual evidence,
said fanatics may become positively rabid. Now we have a vicious
circle. There is more of that than of righteous anger in Mr. McCoy. And
don't doubt for one hummingbird heartbeat that Mr. McCoy and Mr.
Pinkerton don't need and depend on each other and fulfill each other.
Otherwise one of them would get a glimmer of a clue, sit on his fingers
and simply shut up about it. That would garner more credibility and in
short order than any number of words.

Were that same person to do as you say, and state "I prefer 78s to all
other media because..... " and then state "But I am writing for myself
and would not presume to dictate to anyone else." I don't think that
anyone here (well, maybe excepting Bret) would have raised a peep.

At this moment, I have connected to mains-power (that is, plugged in if
not turned on) something like 65 vacuum tubes in eight pieces of
equipment, representing three separate power amps and supporting
equipment. And about 300 transistors spread out about the same way. I
like 'em both. Tubes add an element of just-plain-fun to the hobby as
well. Transistors are much more utilitarian... but also more
challenging as it (usually) takes more of them to get anywhere. But I
would never presume to state that my choices are or should be the only
choices, are or should be your choices. I will unabashedly say that you
should give my choices a listen and draw your own conclusions.... not
*quite* the same thing. And I will make suggestions to others based on
my choices and experience. But I will not dictate to them.

Peter Wieck
Wyncote, PA

wrote:

So in general, I am under the impression that whoever is angry at this POS old inflated ego stew of warts oinkerton must probably have a good reason to be so.


True.

But against your contention is, and to take your example of the 78s,
what if that same advocate were to state that "ONLY" 78s were fit to
represent music, and all non-believers in 78s were apostates or worse.
And then further, state that only his interpretation of the sound of
78s had any validity.

Well normally no "non-beleiver" would be attending such a party where
such "blasphemy" would be uttered so who cares? I remember that in the
movie our protogonist actualy did say things to that effect, which made
me smile. (The movie was mainly about some twisted love affair between
this teenage girl and the middle aged 78 collector, nothing to do with
audio per se)..



Were that same person to do as you say, and state "I prefer 78s to all
other media because..... "


Yes and it is precisely at *that* stage the pukey pukey postman would
step in with "You don't know your facts from your asshole you cretin!"
or somesuch..



and would not presume to dictate to anyone else." I don't think that
anyone here (well, maybe excepting Bret) would have raised a peep.

Well I guess we need to agree to disagree on this Peter. AFAIK, it is
exactly after such *similar* statements as: "I prefer
pickyourchoiceofpreference to all other media because..... " that the
kruegers and pinkertons of the usenet (and their countless sockpuppets)
flock in for the kill.


And I will make suggestions to others based on
my choices and experience. But I will not dictate to them.

Sounds reasonable.

I will, btw, have my first serious tube amp session this tuesday. A
freind is going to bring one over to my listening room for an audition..
The only tube amp I have seriously listened up to now was this prima
luna prolouge two. I thought the bass was blown out proportion in a
humpty-dumpty sort of a way so much that I was distracted from being
able to appreciate its tube qualities, or fun.. But I am keeping an open
mind for tuesday. Just as with SS amps, I am sure that not everything
sounds the same with tube amps also.


Peter Wieck
Wyncote, PA

Fella wrote:


Well I guess we need to agree to disagree on this Peter. AFAIK, it is
exactly after such *similar* statements as: "I prefer
pickyourchoiceofpreference to all other media because..... " that the
kruegers and pinkertons of the usenet (and their countless sockpuppets)
flock in for the kill.


Should add that provided that your preference is not related to redbook
CD's and off the shelf mainstream japanese gear.