Keith G wrote:

"Fella" wrote in message
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Stewart Pinkerton wrote:


Fact- it is trivially easy to measure a level difference of 0.01dB,
and it is not that difficult to measure a difference of 0.001dB, which
is more than a hundred times less than any human can detect.

I'm going to ask you a question, in a civilized manner. Let's see how you
are going to answer.. If at all.

Here goes; Is the perception and interpretation of music we hear from a
given hifi system *ALL* about DB level changes?




No, there's SNR, 'dynamics', bitrates and noise floor to take into
consideration

And that's all? When you know all those, you also know what I am hearing
and perhaps also, interpreting what I am hearing?

- if these are all in the right area then it doesn't matter
what the music actually *sounds* like...

Can you explain what you mean by that? if "SNR, (signal to noise ratio)
'dynamics', bitrates and noise floor" are all in the "right area" (what
does that mean?) "then it doesn't matter what the music actually
*sounds* like" (What does that mean. I know the meanings of the
individual words, but as a phrase, a sentence, it did not compute. Thanks.

"Fella" wrote in message
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Keith G wrote:

"Fella" wrote in message
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Stewart Pinkerton wrote:


Fact- it is trivially easy to measure a level difference of 0.01dB,
and it is not that difficult to measure a difference of 0.001dB, which
is more than a hundred times less than any human can detect.

I'm going to ask you a question, in a civilized manner. Let's see how you
are going to answer.. If at all.

Here goes; Is the perception and interpretation of music we hear from a
given hifi system *ALL* about DB level changes?




No, there's SNR, 'dynamics', bitrates and noise floor to take into
consideration

And that's all? When you know all those, you also know what I am hearing
and perhaps also, interpreting what I am hearing?

- if these are all in the right area then it doesn't matter what the
music actually *sounds* like...

Can you explain what you mean by that? if "SNR, (signal to noise ratio)
'dynamics', bitrates and noise floor" are all in the "right area" (what
does that mean?) "then it doesn't matter what the music actually *sounds*
like" (What does that mean. I know the meanings of the individual words,
but as a phrase, a sentence, it did not compute. Thanks.



I'm off out and can't get into it right now, just take it that, having an
*entirely free hand* to choose and after a lot of trial and error over the
recent years, I find I greatly prefer valves to SS and vinyl to CD despite
what the figures and techies say.

It's all about *sound quality* and not *signal quality* in my book....

Keith G wrote:

It's all about *sound quality* and not *signal quality* in my book....

Or, getting back to one of my original points, it's about something
called "musicality"...

What do we spend all this money on hi-fi for anyway? To get orgasmic
over technical specs? To have sexual fantasies about glowing valves?
(Well... some people might!)

Errm, nope. The hi-fi is the means to the end, not the end itself. That
end is the music. And that's the most important thing, which is what
everyone seems to forget when they get bogged down in S:N ratios,
frequency response, linearity, damping factors, or whether cable A
sounds any different to cable B.

The bottom line is that if system B makes the music sound better than
system A, you buy system B. It's as simple as that.

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"Glenn Richards" wrote in message
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Keith G wrote:

It's all about *sound quality* and not *signal quality* in my book....

Or, getting back to one of my original points, it's about something called
"musicality"...


Sure, it's covered in my 'sound quality' heading.



What do we spend all this money on hi-fi for anyway? To get orgasmic over
technical specs? To have sexual fantasies about glowing valves? (Well...
some people might!)

Errm, nope. The hi-fi is the means to the end, not the end itself. That
end is the music. And that's the most important thing, which is what
everyone seems to forget when they get bogged down in S:N ratios,
frequency response, linearity, damping factors, or whether cable A sounds
any different to cable B.

The bottom line is that if system B makes the music sound better than
system A, you buy system B. It's as simple as that.


Hmm...

Not necessarily - I passed the point of *perfectly acceptable* sound quality
a long time ago. I continue to fart around with the gear as I find it
interesting in its own right and, yes, I do spend some of the time
'listening to the kit'.

Right this minute I am listening to a spot of early Brahms on kit 75% of
which was built/assembled by mine own fair hand!

Very satisfying!! :-)

Nope, cancel that - wrong amp! OK, 50% then!! :-)