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"Iain Churches" wrote in message
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"Don Pearce" wrote in message
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Are you by any chance a greengrocer?

That's a Spike Milligan line, to which the reply is:
"Not really, more of a dirty yellow colour!"


I read recently somewhere how Spike M and Harry Secombe met. (Hope it wasn't
here - apologies if it was!)

SM was a gunner and on one occasion his gun broke loose (on recoil,
presumably) and thundered down a hill. SM ran after it. He ran past a group
of soldiers and called out 'Anybody seen a gun round here, I've lost one?'
Harry Secombe apparently popped up and said 'What colour was it?'

:-)

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Roderick Stewart wrote:

If you can't hear the differences, good for you. It means you've got
more to spend on music rather than the means to play it.
No it doesn't necessarily mean that at all. You missed the other, and
far more likely reason - if you can't hear a difference, it means that
there *isn't* a difference.

I think we're spotting a pattern here...

You believe there isn't a difference, because you've never heard one.

I believe there is a difference, because I have heard one on many occasions.

And before anyone twists that around, let me re-iterate:

I believe there is a difference *because* I've heard one. Not the other
way around. Indeed, as I've stated before, the first time I heard a
difference between interconnects I was pretty well astounded, as I'd
also steadfastly refused to believe that changing cables at line level
could possibly make a difference.

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Glenn Richards Tel: (01453) 845735
Squirrel Solutions http://www.squirrelsolutions.co.uk/

IT consultancy, hardware and software support, broadband installation

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On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 10:30:25 +0200, "Iain Churches"
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"Don Pearce" wrote in message
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On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 22:35:17 +0200, "Iain Churches"
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"Don Pearce" wrote in message
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Are you by any chance a greengrocer?

That's a Spike Milligan line, to which the reply is:
"Not really, more of a dirty yellow colour!"

Iain


I like his final line, which you will find on his grave stone:

"I told you I was ill".

d


Spike lived in a large house in Hampstead, somewhere
near you, Don. The ground floor was let to a small firm,
accountant, solicitor, something like that.

Yes, he did live here at some point, but at heart he was a south
London boy, from Lewisham. My other "interesting" neighbour was Peter
Cook. I seem to be surrounded by the odd - it is part of what makes
Hampstead such a nice place to live.

I once went there, for a pre-production meeting
of a project called "Watergate tapes" which he was
writing with Peter Sellers. The producer was Peter Eton
of "Goon Show" fame.

During the meeting, the police arrived, and took Spike
away. It transpired that earlier in the morning, he had
trouble with the telephone, and reported a fault on the
line. The engineer came to the house and found
no fault. Spike tried to call again, and was not
able to get through. He pulled out all the telephone wire
from the house from top to bottom and dumped it in
a huge pile in the hall. Then he went to a telephone box,
and reported "a fault on the line" The engineer came,
and said "I was here just half an hour ago, there was
no problem then" Spike replied: "There seems to be now"
The boys in blue arrived on the scene within a few minutes.
Our meeting was ajourned, and we went to lunch at a very
good restaurant in Highgate.

Iain


You didn't need to go that far for a good lunch! Or were you tying to
put some miles between you and the events?

d

Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

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In article , Glenn Richards
wrote:
Roderick Stewart wrote:

If you can't hear the differences, good for you. It means you've got
more to spend on music rather than the means to play it.
No it doesn't necessarily mean that at all. You missed the other, and
far more likely reason - if you can't hear a difference, it means that
there *isn't* a difference.

I think we're spotting a pattern here...

You believe there isn't a difference, because you've never heard one.

I believe there is a difference, because I have heard one on many
occasions.

You believe there is a difference because you *believe* you have heard one.
You also *believe* you have identified the 'reason' for that (i.e. change
of cable). This tells us your beliefs, but not if the actual sound was
different, or why.

And before anyone twists that around, let me re-iterate:

I believe there is a difference *because* I've heard one.

As before, the problem isn't with the ordering of subject and object in
your assertion. The problem is your not distinguishing between your beliefs
and evidence about the physical reality about which you then make
assertions.

Not the other way around. Indeed, as I've stated before, the first time
I heard a difference between interconnects I was pretty well astounded,
as I'd also steadfastly refused to believe that changing cables at line
level could possibly make a difference.

The problem here is not with your 'surprise', but with your not then
engaging in suitable tests/methods to see if your beliefs are for the
reasons you assert. The 'tests' you have reported all seem to have fairly
basic flaws...

Slainte,

Jim

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Electronics http://www.st-and.ac.uk/~www_pa/Scot...o/electron.htm
Audio Misc http://www.st-and.demon.co.uk/AudioMisc/index.html
Armstrong Audio http://www.st-and.demon.co.uk/Audio/armstrong.html
Barbirolli Soc. http://www.st-and.demon.co.uk/JBSoc/JBSoc.html

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"Don Pearce" wrote in message
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You didn't need to go that far for a good lunch! Or were you tying to
put some miles between you and the events?

We had a table booked. There was one empty chair.
Iain

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In article , Glenn Richards wrote:
If you can't hear the differences, good for you. It means you've got
more to spend on music rather than the means to play it.
No it doesn't necessarily mean that at all. You missed the other, and
far more likely reason - if you can't hear a difference, it means that
there *isn't* a difference.

I think we're spotting a pattern here...

You believe there isn't a difference, because you've never heard one.

I believe there is a difference, because I have heard one on many occasions.

In that case, since you have apparently heard something for which there seems
to be no rational explanation, why have you not felt compelled to investigate
further by making some objective measurements? I cannot imagine what it must
be like not to want to do this, but to be content to accept something which,
however real it might seem to one individual, simply makes no sense.

If it is important to you to convince others of your "findings", you will get
absolutely nowhere by simply stating what you believe without offering some
verifiable objective evidence in support of it. You might as well say you are
totally convinced there are fairies at the bottom of your garden because you
have "seen" them, and therefore anybody else who cannot see them must be
blind, and then refuse to accept the possibility that the reason they can't
see them is because there aren't any. Human perception is very easily fooled,
so if I discovered an instance of something unexplained by the known laws of
physics, my first hypothesis would be that somehow somebody was being fooled.

Rod.