In article , Glenn Richards wrote:
if you believe in him you will be telling us you can hear speaker
cables differences lol

Actually, a lot of agnostics and atheists can hear speaker cable
differences. There's no hocus-pocus involved, just some science that the
sceptics disregard.

It *would* be science if it was the result of experiments or observations
conducted and documented according to the scientific method. Simple
declarations of somebody's opinions, or of what they claim to be able to
hear, don't count, unless there is some unbiassed and verifiable evidence
in support of them.

So, you can send a sine wave down a bit of cable and it'll come out the
other end as exactly the same sine wave. Guess what? Music isn't a sine
wave.

Quite so, but it can be analysed as lots of sine waves superimposed, and
they will have various amplitudes and phase angles relative to each other.
And it is possible to devise test signals and measurement methods that will
show when any of these properties would be significantly altered within any
range of frequencies and amplitudes in which we may be interested. And that
*is* science.

Rod.

On Thu, 30 Mar 2006 23:13:02 GMT, (H. Neary) wrote:

On Thu, 30 Mar 2006 23:48:38 +0100, Glenn Richards
wrote:

Christopher A. Lee wrote:

IF NOT, WHY ARE YOU RUBBING THIS STUPIDITY IN OUR FACES?

Because for some reason the phrase "live and let live" does not exist in
the minds of most religious zealots.

Incidentally, I had to appear in court today as a witness. I was asked
if I would rather swear on the book of lies or just swear a
non-denominational affirmation. I said that as a committed atheist I'd
better take the latter, as the former would be meaningless.

Academic really! They will believe what they wish to. Your faith or
lack of it is immaterial. Make the most of an oath in court. Draw
blood. Drag a few Krishna,s and Mormons into the proceedings and when
you have everything settled explain that you have seen the light and
converted to Jedi.

But not until May the Fourth be with you.........
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

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On Thu, 30 Mar 2006 23:54:06 +0100, Glenn Richards
wrote:

Dave xxxx wrote:

if you believe in him you will be telling us you can hear speaker
cables differences lol

Actually, a lot of agnostics and atheists can hear speaker cable
differences.

Actually no they can't, they just *believe* that they can - hence the
comment.

There's no hocus-pocus involved, just some science that the
sceptics disregard.

No, skeptics do *not* disregard science, but chicken**** clowns like
you carefully avoid scientifically *proving* your wildass claims about
cable sound.

So, you can send a sine wave down a bit of cable and it'll come out the
other end as exactly the same sine wave. Guess what? Music isn't a sine
wave.

It can however be represented as a superposition of many sine waves.
BTW, flute and organ music pretty much *is* sine waves.

As for blind or double-blind testing, well, the sceptics will already
have made up their mind that there's no difference, so their minds will
tell them there is none. It's like the Creationist fundies who would
refuse to believe in evolution even if God himself appeared before them
and told them it was true.

Not the point. The point is that in a blind test, *you* can't tell the
difference, and that's why you're avoiding it like the plague.

And just trying to get this vaguely back on-topic (I'm reading in
uk.rec.audio atm) I seem to have acquired a pair of Chord Rumour 4
speaker cables today, at no cost to myself. Been trying them out with
some interesting results.

Bull****.

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Glenn Richards wrote:
Dave xxxx wrote:

if you believe in him you will be telling us you can hear speaker
cables differences lol

Actually, a lot of agnostics and atheists can hear speaker cable
differences. There's no hocus-pocus involved, just some science that the
sceptics disregard.

So, you can send a sine wave down a bit of cable and it'll come out the
other end as exactly the same sine wave. Guess what? Music isn't a sine
wave.

All sound can be treated as though it is composed of sine waves.


As for blind or double-blind testing, well, the sceptics will already
have made up their mind that there's no difference, so their minds will

And the non-sceptics refuse to submit themselves to it because they
know what the result will be.

tell them there is none. It's like the Creationist fundies who would
refuse to believe in evolution even if God himself appeared before them
and told them it was true.

And just trying to get this vaguely back on-topic (I'm reading in
uk.rec.audio atm) I seem to have acquired a pair of Chord Rumour 4
speaker cables today, at no cost to myself. Been trying them out with
some interesting results.

Good for you.

MBQ

In article ,
Dave xxxx wrote:

MUHAMMAD
(May peace and blessings of God Almighty be upon him)
You may be an atheist or an agnostic; or you may belong to anyone of
the religious denominations that exist in the world today. You may
be


if you believe in him you will be telling us you can hear speaker
cables differences lol




Stereo for you.
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In article ,
Glenn Richards wrote:
Dave xxxx wrote:

if you believe in him you will be telling us you can hear speaker
cables differences lol

Actually, a lot of agnostics and atheists can hear speaker cable
differences. There's no hocus-pocus involved, just some science that the
sceptics disregard.

So, you can send a sine wave down a bit of cable and it'll come out the
other end as exactly the same sine wave. Guess what? Music isn't a sine
wave.

As for blind or double-blind testing, well, the sceptics will already
have made up their mind that there's no difference, so their minds will
tell them there is none. It's like the Creationist fundies who would
refuse to believe in evolution even if God himself appeared before them
and told them it was true.

And just trying to get this vaguely back on-topic (I'm reading in
uk.rec.audio atm) I seem to have acquired a pair of Chord Rumour 4
speaker cables today, at no cost to myself. Been trying them out with
some interesting results.


Anyone has a copy of Planet of the Spiders?
--
Member - Liberal International
This is Ici
God Queen and country! Beware Anti-Christ rising!
Canada's New CONservatives - Same old Tory.

In article ,
Stewart Pinkerton wrote:
On Thu, 30 Mar 2006 23:13:02 GMT, (H. Neary) wrote:

On Thu, 30 Mar 2006 23:48:38 +0100, Glenn Richards
wrote:

Christopher A. Lee wrote:

IF NOT, WHY ARE YOU RUBBING THIS STUPIDITY IN OUR FACES?

Because for some reason the phrase "live and let live" does not exist in
the minds of most religious zealots.

Incidentally, I had to appear in court today as a witness. I was asked
if I would rather swear on the book of lies or just swear a
non-denominational affirmation. I said that as a committed atheist I'd
better take the latter, as the former would be meaningless.

Academic really! They will believe what they wish to. Your faith or
lack of it is immaterial. Make the most of an oath in court. Draw
blood. Drag a few Krishna,s and Mormons into the proceedings and when
you have everything settled explain that you have seen the light and
converted to Jedi.

But not until May the Fourth be with you.........
--


Sounds like deadly force.
--
Member - Liberal International
This is Ici
God Queen and country! Beware Anti-Christ rising!
Canada's New CONservatives - Same old Tory.

wrote:
Glenn Richards wrote:

Dave xxxx wrote:


if you believe in him you will be telling us you can hear speaker
cables differences lol

Actually, a lot of agnostics and atheists can hear speaker cable
differences. There's no hocus-pocus involved, just some science that the
sceptics disregard.

So, you can send a sine wave down a bit of cable and it'll come out the
other end as exactly the same sine wave. Guess what? Music isn't a sine
wave.


All sound can be treated as though it is composed of sine waves.


All sound can be treated as if its composed of putty, but that still
doesn't mean that it is.

Dealing with waves only in the frequency domain does mean you have lost
temperal (phase) information.

--
Nick

On Fri, 31 Mar 2006 14:55:34 +0100, Nick Gorham
wrote:

wrote:
Glenn Richards wrote:

Dave xxxx wrote:


if you believe in him you will be telling us you can hear speaker
cables differences lol

Actually, a lot of agnostics and atheists can hear speaker cable
differences. There's no hocus-pocus involved, just some science that the
sceptics disregard.

So, you can send a sine wave down a bit of cable and it'll come out the
other end as exactly the same sine wave. Guess what? Music isn't a sine
wave.


All sound can be treated as though it is composed of sine waves.


All sound can be treated as if its composed of putty, but that still
doesn't mean that it is.

Dealing with waves only in the frequency domain does mean you have lost
temperal (phase) information.

And how exactly do you think that a cable might screw this up? And do
bear in mind that the speaker itself subsequently does a heroic job of
doing exactly that.

d

Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

Don Pearce wrote:

All sound can be treated as though it is composed of sine waves.


All sound can be treated as if its composed of putty, but that still
doesn't mean that it is.

Dealing with waves only in the frequency domain does mean you have lost
temperal (phase) information.


And how exactly do you think that a cable might screw this up? And do
bear in mind that the speaker itself subsequently does a heroic job of
doing exactly that.

d

Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

And what exactly makes you think I was suggesting it would, Don't assume
what side of the fence I am on this one.

I was just replying to the assumption that a FFT gives you ALL the
information about a signal, and the deeper assumption that just because
a model is useful, then the model is equivalent to the reality.

--
Nick