Jeff Beck (was: Slam)
 

"Clive Backham" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 3 Oct 2003 13:18:30 +0100, "Mike Gilmour"
wrote:

My vinyl collection is kinda very short on Jeff Beck records. (I'm mainly
a
classical/jazz collector) Any must have recommendations for the hunt
would
be good.
I've got 'Guitar Shop' & 'The Best Of Beckology'.

If you like 60's British R&B, get "Truth" and "Beckola".
If you like jazz/rock, get "Blow by Blow", "Wired" and "Live with the
Jan Hammer Group", and perhaps "There and Back".
Three albums I found pretty forgetable were "Rough & Ready", "Beck,
Bogart, Appice" and "Flash". Others will no doubt disagree.
I like quite a lot of "Guitar Shop". The last Jeff Beck album I bought
was "Who Else", which apart from a couple of nice tracks was pretty
awful.

"Must haves"? Tricky. I suspect most would say that Truth and Blow by
Blow are the two absolute classics, but I personally prefer Beckola
and Wired.

Thanks Clive much appreciated.

Slam
 

In article , Stewart Pinkerton
wrote:
On Thu, 02 Oct 2003 19:56:27 +0100, Laurence Payne
wrote:


Any really good amplifier will be able to handle full power
more-or-less continuously - certainly for several minutes - without a
problem.

And wouldn't object to being asked to deliver considerably more if
momentarily demanded? You seem to be arguing against transient
headroom :-)

Anyone who knows anything about amps *does* argue against 'transient
headroom', which is just another word for a cheap power supply.

In that case, I'm afraid I don't know much about amplifiers. :-)

My own view/experience is that it can be quite useful in the context of
reproducing musical signals to arrange for the amp/PSU to have a short-term
power ability that is well above the sustained power ability. The reasons
for this in my view are;

1) Most music tends to include relatively brief musical transient events
which reach short-term levels well above the mean level.

2) Allowing the rail voltages to fall under sustained demand helps reduce
the power dissipation in the output devices compared with what you get if
you try to maintain the same rail levels as existed for short-term high
power bursts. This keeps the device tempeatures down, etc, which can be
useful.

The main disadvantages are in my view:

1) The sustained mean power levels measured in a review tend to be
under-reading the actual ability (e.g. the 700 I designed only rated at
200Wpcs 'rms' sic both channels sinewave driven, but could actually
deliver around 300Wpc mean per channel for a tenth of a second or so. (This
is not the peak 'instananeous' transient value, which I'd agree is
misleading.) Thus in terms of actual use the 200Wpc perhaps didn't really
indicate how much the amp could provide with music.

2) You have to ensure the amp does not produce distortion or become upset
in some way when the rails fluctuate. This seems sensible, anyway, to me,
as it avoids things like distortion crosstalk between channels.

Slainte,

Jim

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Slam
 

In article , Stewart Pinkerton
wrote:
On Thu, 02 Oct 2003 19:56:27 +0100, Laurence Payne
wrote:


Any really good amplifier will be able to handle full power
more-or-less continuously - certainly for several minutes - without a
problem.

And wouldn't object to being asked to deliver considerably more if
momentarily demanded? You seem to be arguing against transient
headroom :-)

Anyone who knows anything about amps *does* argue against 'transient
headroom', which is just another word for a cheap power supply.

In that case, I'm afraid I don't know much about amplifiers. :-)

My own view/experience is that it can be quite useful in the context of
reproducing musical signals to arrange for the amp/PSU to have a short-term
power ability that is well above the sustained power ability. The reasons
for this in my view are;

1) Most music tends to include relatively brief musical transient events
which reach short-term levels well above the mean level.

2) Allowing the rail voltages to fall under sustained demand helps reduce
the power dissipation in the output devices compared with what you get if
you try to maintain the same rail levels as existed for short-term high
power bursts. This keeps the device tempeatures down, etc, which can be
useful.

The main disadvantages are in my view:

1) The sustained mean power levels measured in a review tend to be
under-reading the actual ability (e.g. the 700 I designed only rated at
200Wpcs 'rms' sic both channels sinewave driven, but could actually
deliver around 300Wpc mean per channel for a tenth of a second or so. (This
is not the peak 'instananeous' transient value, which I'd agree is
misleading.) Thus in terms of actual use the 200Wpc perhaps didn't really
indicate how much the amp could provide with music.

2) You have to ensure the amp does not produce distortion or become upset
in some way when the rails fluctuate. This seems sensible, anyway, to me,
as it avoids things like distortion crosstalk between channels.

Slainte,

Jim

--
Electronics http://www.st-and.ac.uk/~www_pa/Scot...o/electron.htm
Audio Misc http://www.st-and.demon.co.uk/AudioMisc/index.html
Armstrong Audio http://www.st-and.demon.co.uk/Audio/armstrong.html
Barbirolli Soc. http://www.st-and.demon.co.uk/JBSoc/JBSoc.html

Slam
 

In article ,
Mike Gilmour wrote:
You can get the same kick drum effect just in front
of a loud PA at a gig

Yes - and usually even from a triangle...
and from One One One..One One One

'Two' is better. Checks for slam. ;-)

--
*Thank you. We're all refreshed and challenged by your unique point of view

Dave Plowman London SW 12
RIP Acorn

Slam
 

In article ,
Mike Gilmour wrote:
You can get the same kick drum effect just in front
of a loud PA at a gig

Yes - and usually even from a triangle...
and from One One One..One One One

'Two' is better. Checks for slam. ;-)

--
*Thank you. We're all refreshed and challenged by your unique point of view

Dave Plowman London SW 12
RIP Acorn

Jeff Beck (was: Slam)
 

You could also check out Roger Waters' album 'Amused to Death'. Beck has
some absolutely superb solos, which IMHO are more enjoyable than some of his
'stunt guitaring'. You could start by listening to the solo on 'What God
Wants Pt3', which never fails to amaze me each time I hear it. BTW the album
is a fabulous recording, and a real system tester.
Gary


"Mike Gilmour" wrote in message
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"Clive Backham" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 3 Oct 2003 13:18:30 +0100, "Mike Gilmour"
wrote:

My vinyl collection is kinda very short on Jeff Beck records. (I'm
mainly
a
classical/jazz collector) Any must have recommendations for the hunt
would
be good.
I've got 'Guitar Shop' & 'The Best Of Beckology'.

If you like 60's British R&B, get "Truth" and "Beckola".
If you like jazz/rock, get "Blow by Blow", "Wired" and "Live with the
Jan Hammer Group", and perhaps "There and Back".
Three albums I found pretty forgetable were "Rough & Ready", "Beck,
Bogart, Appice" and "Flash". Others will no doubt disagree.
I like quite a lot of "Guitar Shop". The last Jeff Beck album I bought
was "Who Else", which apart from a couple of nice tracks was pretty
awful.

"Must haves"? Tricky. I suspect most would say that Truth and Blow by
Blow are the two absolute classics, but I personally prefer Beckola
and Wired.

Thanks Clive much appreciated.

Jeff Beck (was: Slam)
 

You could also check out Roger Waters' album 'Amused to Death'. Beck has
some absolutely superb solos, which IMHO are more enjoyable than some of his
'stunt guitaring'. You could start by listening to the solo on 'What God
Wants Pt3', which never fails to amaze me each time I hear it. BTW the album
is a fabulous recording, and a real system tester.
Gary


"Mike Gilmour" wrote in message
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"Clive Backham" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 3 Oct 2003 13:18:30 +0100, "Mike Gilmour"
wrote:

My vinyl collection is kinda very short on Jeff Beck records. (I'm
mainly
a
classical/jazz collector) Any must have recommendations for the hunt
would
be good.
I've got 'Guitar Shop' & 'The Best Of Beckology'.

If you like 60's British R&B, get "Truth" and "Beckola".
If you like jazz/rock, get "Blow by Blow", "Wired" and "Live with the
Jan Hammer Group", and perhaps "There and Back".
Three albums I found pretty forgetable were "Rough & Ready", "Beck,
Bogart, Appice" and "Flash". Others will no doubt disagree.
I like quite a lot of "Guitar Shop". The last Jeff Beck album I bought
was "Who Else", which apart from a couple of nice tracks was pretty
awful.

"Must haves"? Tricky. I suspect most would say that Truth and Blow by
Blow are the two absolute classics, but I personally prefer Beckola
and Wired.

Thanks Clive much appreciated.

Slam
 

"Mike Gilmour" wrote in message
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"Dave Plowman" wrote in message
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In article ,
Stimpy wrote:
Sit on the floor in front of a kick drum when someone kicks it hard...
That's slam :-) You can get the same kick drum effect just in front
of a loud PA at a gig

Yes - and usually even from a triangle...
and from One One One..One One One


Got it - 'Jingle Bells'.....???

:-)

Slam
 

"Mike Gilmour" wrote in message
...

"Dave Plowman" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Stimpy wrote:
Sit on the floor in front of a kick drum when someone kicks it hard...
That's slam :-) You can get the same kick drum effect just in front
of a loud PA at a gig

Yes - and usually even from a triangle...
and from One One One..One One One


Got it - 'Jingle Bells'.....???

:-)

Jeff Beck (was: Slam)
 

Gary,

I've got 'Amused to Death' on vinyl and agree with you about Jeff Becks solo
on WGW Pt3 suberb..its been played a lot. Talking of a system tester, the
first time I played 'Late Home Tonight' I didn't know about the explosion!
Geez.*!!!* Seriously though a great recording & the Q sound really plays
around with your head ;-)
Whilst talking Rodger Waters I've found most of his albums are well recorded
especially 'Pros & Cons of Hitchhiking' & 'Radio K.A.O.S'
Apologies for taking thread away from slam (though maybe that explosion
counts?)
Mike



"GT" wrote in message
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You could also check out Roger Waters' album 'Amused to Death'. Beck has
some absolutely superb solos, which IMHO are more enjoyable than some of
his
'stunt guitaring'. You could start by listening to the solo on 'What God
Wants Pt3', which never fails to amaze me each time I hear it. BTW the
album
is a fabulous recording, and a real system tester.
Gary


"Mike Gilmour" wrote in message
...

"Clive Backham" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 3 Oct 2003 13:18:30 +0100, "Mike Gilmour"
wrote:

My vinyl collection is kinda very short on Jeff Beck records. (I'm
mainly
a
classical/jazz collector) Any must have recommendations for the hunt
would
be good.
I've got 'Guitar Shop' & 'The Best Of Beckology'.

If you like 60's British R&B, get "Truth" and "Beckola".
If you like jazz/rock, get "Blow by Blow", "Wired" and "Live with the
Jan Hammer Group", and perhaps "There and Back".
Three albums I found pretty forgetable were "Rough & Ready", "Beck,
Bogart, Appice" and "Flash". Others will no doubt disagree.
I like quite a lot of "Guitar Shop". The last Jeff Beck album I bought
was "Who Else", which apart from a couple of nice tracks was pretty
awful.

"Must haves"? Tricky. I suspect most would say that Truth and Blow by
Blow are the two absolute classics, but I personally prefer Beckola
and Wired.

Thanks Clive much appreciated.