"Mike Gilmour" wrote in message
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"Keith G" wrote in message
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"Mike Gilmour" wrote


Whilst talking Rodger Waters I've found most of his albums are well
recorded
especially 'Pros & Cons of Hitchhiking' & 'Radio K.A.O.S'


Now that *is* fekkin' weird - got these VERY SAME TWO albums the day
before
yesterday along with Miles Davis' 'The Man With A Horn' in a 3 for the
price
of 2 deal......!!!!






Spooky.........good deal though!

If you got the Hitchhiking bare bum sleeve as well then that would be a
very
very good deal :-)


Is this the one - http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/keith_g/show/waters.jpg ??
(The inner sleeve is just plain black...)

Actually my son got these, they're only with me for cleaning. He paid £4
each and got the Miles Davis (not pictured) for free - I get to keep the
freebie!!! (Bloody figures, dunnit!) Note the Radio KAOS was originally
priced at £10 - condition is mint all round!

Enough already! - We're in the wrong ng for this!

:-)

"Keith G" wrote in message
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"Mike Gilmour" wrote in message
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"Mike Gilmour" wrote in message
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"Keith G" wrote in message
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"Mike Gilmour" wrote


Whilst talking Rodger Waters I've found most of his albums are
well
recorded
especially 'Pros & Cons of Hitchhiking' & 'Radio K.A.O.S'


Now that *is* fekkin' weird - got these VERY SAME TWO albums the day
before
yesterday along with Miles Davis' 'The Man With A Horn' in a 3 for
the
price
of 2 deal......!!!!






Spooky.........good deal though!

If you got the Hitchhiking bare bum sleeve as well then that would be a
very
very good deal :-)


Is this the one - http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/keith_g/show/waters.jpg
??
(The inner sleeve is just plain black...)

Actually my son got these, they're only with me for cleaning. He paid £4
each and got the Miles Davis (not pictured) for free - I get to keep the
freebie!!! (Bloody figures, dunnit!) Note the Radio KAOS was originally
priced at £10 - condition is mint all round!

Enough already! - We're in the wrong ng for this!

:-)



Man, thats lucky. Your stars must be good :-) The collectors bare bum
cover..worth much more than the black square over the bum.

Ok enough now, bye

"Keith G" wrote in message
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"Mike Gilmour" wrote in message
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"Mike Gilmour" wrote in message
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"Keith G" wrote in message
...

"Mike Gilmour" wrote


Whilst talking Rodger Waters I've found most of his albums are
well
recorded
especially 'Pros & Cons of Hitchhiking' & 'Radio K.A.O.S'


Now that *is* fekkin' weird - got these VERY SAME TWO albums the day
before
yesterday along with Miles Davis' 'The Man With A Horn' in a 3 for
the
price
of 2 deal......!!!!






Spooky.........good deal though!

If you got the Hitchhiking bare bum sleeve as well then that would be a
very
very good deal :-)


Is this the one - http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/keith_g/show/waters.jpg
??
(The inner sleeve is just plain black...)

Actually my son got these, they're only with me for cleaning. He paid £4
each and got the Miles Davis (not pictured) for free - I get to keep the
freebie!!! (Bloody figures, dunnit!) Note the Radio KAOS was originally
priced at £10 - condition is mint all round!

Enough already! - We're in the wrong ng for this!

:-)



Man, thats lucky. Your stars must be good :-) The collectors bare bum
cover..worth much more than the black square over the bum.

Ok enough now, bye

Stimpy wrote:

Sit on the floor in front of a kick drum when someone kicks it hard...
That's slam :-)

A kick drum was exactly what I was thinking while reading John's comments.
You get it in band rehearsal rooms - feel it in the guts.


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Stimpy wrote:

Sit on the floor in front of a kick drum when someone kicks it hard...
That's slam :-)

A kick drum was exactly what I was thinking while reading John's comments.
You get it in band rehearsal rooms - feel it in the guts.


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On 03 Oct 2003 07:08:40 GMT, John Phillips
wrote:

"Slam" is an effect I have never actually felt in the concert hall even
with big bass percussion so it may only be an artificial effect which
occurs in "small" listening rooms. It happens in mine on all kinds
of music. Perhaps it is an effect which gets created at large rock
concerts but I only listen to rock at home.

It is certainly used as reviewer jargon and as a marketing term. The
differences of opinion here belie statements to the effect that it is
a well understood term.

It's commonly associated with a noticeable hump in the bass response
around 60-80 Hz. Check out any dance club, you'll find a fair bit of
EQ in this band, probably combined with speakers which drop off fast
below 50Hz. This gives bass which is commonly described as 'tight' and
'fast', with plenty of 'slam'.
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On 03 Oct 2003 07:08:40 GMT, John Phillips
wrote:

"Slam" is an effect I have never actually felt in the concert hall even
with big bass percussion so it may only be an artificial effect which
occurs in "small" listening rooms. It happens in mine on all kinds
of music. Perhaps it is an effect which gets created at large rock
concerts but I only listen to rock at home.

It is certainly used as reviewer jargon and as a marketing term. The
differences of opinion here belie statements to the effect that it is
a well understood term.

It's commonly associated with a noticeable hump in the bass response
around 60-80 Hz. Check out any dance club, you'll find a fair bit of
EQ in this band, probably combined with speakers which drop off fast
below 50Hz. This gives bass which is commonly described as 'tight' and
'fast', with plenty of 'slam'.
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

In message , Stewart Pinkerton
writes
On 03 Oct 2003 07:08:40 GMT, John Phillips
wrote:

"Slam" is an effect I have never actually felt in the concert hall even
with big bass percussion so it may only be an artificial effect which
occurs in "small" listening rooms. It happens in mine on all kinds
of music. Perhaps it is an effect which gets created at large rock
concerts but I only listen to rock at home.

It is certainly used as reviewer jargon and as a marketing term. The
differences of opinion here belie statements to the effect that it is
a well understood term.

It's commonly associated with a noticeable hump in the bass response
around 60-80 Hz. Check out any dance club, you'll find a fair bit of
EQ in this band, probably combined with speakers which drop off fast
below 50Hz. This gives bass which is commonly described as 'tight' and
'fast', with plenty of 'slam'.

Since a hump in that part of the bass spectrum and a fast roll-off below
that is exactly what I hate (I like well-damped bass that continues
slowly dropping off as the frequency drops. One of the reasons I still
can't agree with you about reflex boxes) then I'll avoid any speakers
that people say have 'Slam'.
--
Chris Morriss

In message , Stewart Pinkerton
writes
On 03 Oct 2003 07:08:40 GMT, John Phillips
wrote:

"Slam" is an effect I have never actually felt in the concert hall even
with big bass percussion so it may only be an artificial effect which
occurs in "small" listening rooms. It happens in mine on all kinds
of music. Perhaps it is an effect which gets created at large rock
concerts but I only listen to rock at home.

It is certainly used as reviewer jargon and as a marketing term. The
differences of opinion here belie statements to the effect that it is
a well understood term.

It's commonly associated with a noticeable hump in the bass response
around 60-80 Hz. Check out any dance club, you'll find a fair bit of
EQ in this band, probably combined with speakers which drop off fast
below 50Hz. This gives bass which is commonly described as 'tight' and
'fast', with plenty of 'slam'.

Since a hump in that part of the bass spectrum and a fast roll-off below
that is exactly what I hate (I like well-damped bass that continues
slowly dropping off as the frequency drops. One of the reasons I still
can't agree with you about reflex boxes) then I'll avoid any speakers
that people say have 'Slam'.
--
Chris Morriss

In article , Andy Evans
wrote:
I am uncertain about the above for two reasons; 1) That you are
essentially telling us that 'slam' is an 'artificial effect', but then
only tell us what it does *not* mean,

I assume the above is quoted from myself, although the quoting is not
clear...

If it's an artificial effect, does it need to be defined, or indeed can
it be defined?

Well, if you use a word without giving me a definition, how can I know what
you mean by it? If thr word has no definable meaning, can it be expected to
convey any information from the speaker to the listener?

Your description seemed to be equivalent to saying "a koala bear is not a
kangeroo". This may tell me something, but does not really help me to
recognise a koala bear when I see one, nor know what you recognise as one.

If you said a "a koala bear is a small type of bear" this might be of some
use if I am aware of what some other bears look like. This would not be a
precise definition - allowing an unambiguous recognition - but would
perhaps be helpful. Unfortunately, giving an example of what something is
not may not tell me much at all.

2) I still have the feeling that various people are using the term for
*different* things

Agreed

the kind of problem that can arise when magazines, etc, use a term
without giving a clear and unambiguous definition.

Agreed. I don't use the term (and many others) for that reason. I do use
words like 'timbre' which are easier to check between the original
acoustic source and the reproduction of it. I'd welcome the day when
reviewers attempt to define useful terms rather than trying to invent
undefinable terms.

It would also be nice if Martin Colloms were able to give a meaningful
definition of his 'points system' for rating the 'sound' of items. So far
as I can tell, this, along with many other comments in reviews, seem to
mean no more than the reviewer saying "I felt I liked A more than B'. Fine
for him, but perhaps not much use to the rest of us! :-/

Slainte,

Jim

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