Slam
 

On Wed, 1 Oct 2003 23:49:40 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:


"Don Pearce" wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 01 Oct 2003 17:50:32 +0100, Kurt Hamster
wrote:

On Wed, 01 Oct 2003 17:04:10 +0100, Don Pearce used
to say...

Handwaving were ne'er so lyrical. Unfortunately we are still no nearer
to a clue as to what Slam is...

Do you know what a slammed door sounds like?

Yes?

Well how would _you_ describe the type of sound it makes? Or would you
just find it easier to say the sound has some slam about it?

Or if you wanted to be pedantic how about, fast attack, no decay, no
sustain and a sharp release?

Well, if I were listening to recordings of doors being slammed, then
slam is what I would want to hear.

My listening is much more to do with music - without slamming doors.



OK Don, knock yerself out - here's a bit of both
http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/keit...w/doorclip.mp3 (2.0 Mb) - all
nice and spitchy throughout (used the wrong sodding copy!) just to keep you
digiphiles happy!

;-)

Thanks, Keith! If I can't have slam, then give me spitchy any day.
Come to think of it, I was listening to the Doors last week.

d

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On Wed, 1 Oct 2003 23:49:40 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:


"Don Pearce" wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 01 Oct 2003 17:50:32 +0100, Kurt Hamster
wrote:

On Wed, 01 Oct 2003 17:04:10 +0100, Don Pearce used
to say...

Handwaving were ne'er so lyrical. Unfortunately we are still no nearer
to a clue as to what Slam is...

Do you know what a slammed door sounds like?

Yes?

Well how would _you_ describe the type of sound it makes? Or would you
just find it easier to say the sound has some slam about it?

Or if you wanted to be pedantic how about, fast attack, no decay, no
sustain and a sharp release?

Well, if I were listening to recordings of doors being slammed, then
slam is what I would want to hear.

My listening is much more to do with music - without slamming doors.



OK Don, knock yerself out - here's a bit of both
http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/keit...w/doorclip.mp3 (2.0 Mb) - all
nice and spitchy throughout (used the wrong sodding copy!) just to keep you
digiphiles happy!

;-)

Thanks, Keith! If I can't have slam, then give me spitchy any day.
Come to think of it, I was listening to the Doors last week.

d

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In article , Trevor Wilson
wrote:
[snip]

Now I understand!

Slam is an amplifier/speaker combination working as designed, without
being overdriven.

**Nope. At no time should the amplifiers be allowed to exceed their
maximum Voltage/current limits. I thought that was a given, in any
proper test. I specified the above equipment, because it should expose
the effect readily. With other brands/models, the effect may be
noticable, but (possibly) less obvious.

In that case I am afraid that I am personally unclear what you mean, since
when in the past I have compared BJT and MOSFET amps then - provided they
have the same frequency response and output impedance and are not clipping
or being overdriven - then I have no recollection of hearing any difference
which I might think could be called 'slam'.

i *have* heard mosfet (and other amps) in the past that changed the sound
when driving difficult loads as a result of limiting or high output
impedance. But if I understanding you correctly, you are excluding this
mechanism from what you say.

Slainte,

Jim

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Slam
 

In article , Trevor Wilson
wrote:
[snip]

Now I understand!

Slam is an amplifier/speaker combination working as designed, without
being overdriven.

**Nope. At no time should the amplifiers be allowed to exceed their
maximum Voltage/current limits. I thought that was a given, in any
proper test. I specified the above equipment, because it should expose
the effect readily. With other brands/models, the effect may be
noticable, but (possibly) less obvious.

In that case I am afraid that I am personally unclear what you mean, since
when in the past I have compared BJT and MOSFET amps then - provided they
have the same frequency response and output impedance and are not clipping
or being overdriven - then I have no recollection of hearing any difference
which I might think could be called 'slam'.

i *have* heard mosfet (and other amps) in the past that changed the sound
when driving difficult loads as a result of limiting or high output
impedance. But if I understanding you correctly, you are excluding this
mechanism from what you say.

Slainte,

Jim

--
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Audio Misc http://www.st-and.demon.co.uk/AudioMisc/index.html
Armstrong Audio http://www.st-and.demon.co.uk/Audio/armstrong.html
Barbirolli Soc. http://www.st-and.demon.co.uk/JBSoc/JBSoc.html

Slam
 

Would I find words for you to understand?
Leave like that: my opinion.
I know that, for you, your thickness should be mathematically demonstrated.


"Don Pearce" escribió en el mensaje
...
On Wed, 01 Oct 2003 16:11:01 GMT, "Parker"
wrote:

Thick as a brick, you boy.

Rather rude, Parker. Care to justify?

d

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Would I find words for you to understand?
Leave like that: my opinion.
I know that, for you, your thickness should be mathematically demonstrated.


"Don Pearce" escribió en el mensaje
...
On Wed, 01 Oct 2003 16:11:01 GMT, "Parker"
wrote:

Thick as a brick, you boy.

Rather rude, Parker. Care to justify?

d

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In article , Andy Evans
wrote:
'Slam' is an artificial effect that can be created by particular
amp/speaker combinations, whether on stage or on HiFi or both (recorded
amplified music). This artificial effect should not be confused with the
actual acoustic sound of a double bass, which doesn't have this dry,
thunky kind of 'slam', and is in fact slower and more resonant with a
more 'elastic' kind of envelope, if you see what I mean. Consequently
many who listen to amplified music like the effect, while those who
prefer acoustic music to sound natural would choose a more faithful form
of reproduction. Yes, guys, I am a double bass player doubling fretless.
Andy.

Unforunately, I am uncertain about the above for two reasons;

1) That you are essentially telling us that 'slam' is an 'artificial
effect', but then only tell us what it does *not* mean, and do not give any
explanation of how it sounds, or what causes it. Thus the above is not a
definition, but a comment on one thing it is not.

2) I still have the feeling that various people are using the term for
*different* things, yet may be assuming they all mean the same thing.

The second is the kind of problem that can arise when magazines, etc, use a
term without giving a clear and unambiguous definition. It means I may
think I know what the term means, but others might not agree. This then
acts as a bar to communication.

Slainte,

Jim

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Audio Misc http://www.st-and.demon.co.uk/AudioMisc/index.html
Armstrong Audio http://www.st-and.demon.co.uk/Audio/armstrong.html
Barbirolli Soc. http://www.st-and.demon.co.uk/JBSoc/JBSoc.html

Slam
 

In article , Andy Evans
wrote:
'Slam' is an artificial effect that can be created by particular
amp/speaker combinations, whether on stage or on HiFi or both (recorded
amplified music). This artificial effect should not be confused with the
actual acoustic sound of a double bass, which doesn't have this dry,
thunky kind of 'slam', and is in fact slower and more resonant with a
more 'elastic' kind of envelope, if you see what I mean. Consequently
many who listen to amplified music like the effect, while those who
prefer acoustic music to sound natural would choose a more faithful form
of reproduction. Yes, guys, I am a double bass player doubling fretless.
Andy.

Unforunately, I am uncertain about the above for two reasons;

1) That you are essentially telling us that 'slam' is an 'artificial
effect', but then only tell us what it does *not* mean, and do not give any
explanation of how it sounds, or what causes it. Thus the above is not a
definition, but a comment on one thing it is not.

2) I still have the feeling that various people are using the term for
*different* things, yet may be assuming they all mean the same thing.

The second is the kind of problem that can arise when magazines, etc, use a
term without giving a clear and unambiguous definition. It means I may
think I know what the term means, but others might not agree. This then
acts as a bar to communication.

Slainte,

Jim

--
Electronics http://www.st-and.ac.uk/~www_pa/Scot...o/electron.htm
Audio Misc http://www.st-and.demon.co.uk/AudioMisc/index.html
Armstrong Audio http://www.st-and.demon.co.uk/Audio/armstrong.html
Barbirolli Soc. http://www.st-and.demon.co.uk/JBSoc/JBSoc.html

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"Kurt Hamster" wrote in message
...

Whoo-Hoo... Fretless Bass homer mmmmmmm, droolll /drool

I do hope you've been boning up on Jaco and my mate Mo?

Mo.... He da man!! Still remember hearing him for the first time with
Jeff Beck about 20 years ago - blew me away big time...

Slam
 

"Kurt Hamster" wrote in message
...

Whoo-Hoo... Fretless Bass homer mmmmmmm, droolll /drool

I do hope you've been boning up on Jaco and my mate Mo?

Mo.... He da man!! Still remember hearing him for the first time with
Jeff Beck about 20 years ago - blew me away big time...