"Jim Lesurf" wrote in message
...
In article , Keith G
wrote:

"Jim Lesurf" wrote in message
[snip]

Anyone here a member of diyaudio? If so, are you able to get a copy of
the diagram from the above?



Is this the one you want?

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/audiolab8000a.jpg

Beezer! Yes!! Looks right. Certainly has the correct o/p devices, and the
TL ic for the dc control, etc. I'll need to sit with the diagram and the
amp to be sure, but it looks spot-on! :-)))

Many thanks, Keith.



You're welcome, Jim - I've taken it down now (???) but it isn't *far* away,
if you needed it again for some reason.... ;-)

In article , Jim Lesurf jcgl@st-
and.demon.co.uk writes
In article , Keith G
wrote:

"Jim Lesurf" wrote in message
[snip]

Anyone here a member of diyaudio? If so, are you able to get a copy of
the diagram from the above?



Is this the one you want?

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/audiolab8000a.jpg


I canna open that!....
Beezer! Yes!! Looks right. Certainly has the correct o/p devices, and the
TL ic for the dc control, etc. I'll need to sit with the diagram and the
amp to be sure, but it looks spot-on! :-)))

Many thanks, Keith.

Slainte,

Jim


--
Tony Sayer

"tony sayer" wrote in message
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In article , Jim Lesurf jcgl@st-
and.demon.co.uk writes
In article , Keith G
wrote:

"Jim Lesurf" wrote in message
[snip]

Anyone here a member of diyaudio? If so, are you able to get a copy of
the diagram from the above?



Is this the one you want?

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/audiolab8000a.jpg


I canna open that!....



No, 'coz I've taken it down - I don't own the bloody *copyright* to it, do I
? :-)

Check ya postbox - if nothing nothing there, email me direct with an addy
that works......

People may be entertained to know how I have got on with asking IAG to
explain why they won't provide circuit diagrams, etc for the 8000A.

I have been asking if they can give the *reasons* for their policy. The
first time I asked this prompted a reply that it was "company policy". Thus
clearing up the point that it was their policy because... erm... it was
their policy.

When I asked for the *reasons* it was "company policy" I was told:

"Unfortunately unless you have a trade account we can't supply Circuit
Diagrams to you."

Once again, a confusion between a decision and the reasons for it.

Not being interested in an infinite regression of 'russian dolls' as a
substitute for rational explanations, I have decided to halt the process
and just get on with trying to fix the amp if I can.

Still, at least we now know that not only you can't get technical info, nor
can you get any explanation of why they decided to withold it...

...Or is their an EU directive forbidding makers from supplying diagrams
to anyone who does not have a trade account - and making this directive
'top secret' so no-one can even say this is the reason? Men in black in
audio... :-)

mode=old yorkshireman with a whippet and a flat cap, rambling over a flat
warm beer

I recall the days when the circuit diagram either came with the user
manual, or the makers were happy to send it to you upon request. Indeed,
when you could get technical advice with no problems via phone or letter.
At Armstrong, Ron Sheppard used to happily give out advice and post
technical data - even to people who hadn't bought a set! The idea being
that this made people more confident that you were a reliable and helpful
company whose products could be relied upon. I know other companies had a
similar approach. It helped people to feel that you were pleased to tell
people all about your products, to help them, and that you had nothing to
hide.

/mode

I wonder if the person answering my emails even knows the reasons, or has
wondered about them... :-)

Slainte,

Jim

--
Electronics http://www.st-and.ac.uk/~www_pa/Scot...o/electron.htm
Audio Misc http://www.st-and.demon.co.uk/AudioMisc/index.html
Armstrong Audio http://www.st-and.demon.co.uk/Audio/armstrong.html
Barbirolli Soc. http://www.st-and.demon.co.uk/JBSoc/JBSoc.html

I have traveled that path, too. Everyone, including the CEO, was
adamant, if sympathetic, about this issue. It comes down to company
policy although there were references to proprietary information and
concerns about fault due to misapplication. Nonsense, of course.

Kal

On Wed, 21 Jun 2006 15:31:53 +0100, Jim Lesurf
wrote:

People may be entertained to know how I have got on with asking IAG to
explain why they won't provide circuit diagrams, etc for the 8000A.

I have been asking if they can give the *reasons* for their policy. The
first time I asked this prompted a reply that it was "company policy". Thus
clearing up the point that it was their policy because... erm... it was
their policy.

When I asked for the *reasons* it was "company policy" I was told:

"Unfortunately unless you have a trade account we can't supply Circuit
Diagrams to you."

Once again, a confusion between a decision and the reasons for it.

Not being interested in an infinite regression of 'russian dolls' as a
substitute for rational explanations, I have decided to halt the process
and just get on with trying to fix the amp if I can.

Still, at least we now know that not only you can't get technical info, nor
can you get any explanation of why they decided to withold it...

...Or is their an EU directive forbidding makers from supplying diagrams
to anyone who does not have a trade account - and making this directive
'top secret' so no-one can even say this is the reason? Men in black in
audio... :-)

mode=old yorkshireman with a whippet and a flat cap, rambling over a flat
warm beer

I recall the days when the circuit diagram either came with the user
manual, or the makers were happy to send it to you upon request. Indeed,
when you could get technical advice with no problems via phone or letter.
At Armstrong, Ron Sheppard used to happily give out advice and post
technical data - even to people who hadn't bought a set! The idea being
that this made people more confident that you were a reliable and helpful
company whose products could be relied upon. I know other companies had a
similar approach. It helped people to feel that you were pleased to tell
people all about your products, to help them, and that you had nothing to
hide.

/mode

I wonder if the person answering my emails even knows the reasons, or has
wondered about them... :-)

Slainte,

Jim

"Jim Lesurf" wrote in message
...
People may be entertained to know how I have got on with asking IAG to
explain why they won't provide circuit diagrams, etc for the 8000A.

I have been asking if they can give the *reasons* for their policy. The
first time I asked this prompted a reply that it was "company policy".
Thus
clearing up the point that it was their policy because... erm... it was
their policy.

When I asked for the *reasons* it was "company policy" I was told:

"Unfortunately unless you have a trade account we can't supply Circuit
Diagrams to you."

Once again, a confusion between a decision and the reasons for it.

Not being interested in an infinite regression of 'russian dolls' as a
substitute for rational explanations, I have decided to halt the process
and just get on with trying to fix the amp if I can.

Still, at least we now know that not only you can't get technical info,
nor
can you get any explanation of why they decided to withold it...

...Or is their an EU directive forbidding makers from supplying diagrams
to anyone who does not have a trade account - and making this directive
'top secret' so no-one can even say this is the reason? Men in black in
audio... :-)

mode=old yorkshireman with a whippet and a flat cap, rambling over a flat
warm beer

I recall the days when the circuit diagram either came with the user
manual, or the makers were happy to send it to you upon request. Indeed,
when you could get technical advice with no problems via phone or letter.
At Armstrong, Ron Sheppard used to happily give out advice and post
technical data - even to people who hadn't bought a set! The idea being
that this made people more confident that you were a reliable and helpful
company whose products could be relied upon. I know other companies had a
similar approach. It helped people to feel that you were pleased to tell
people all about your products, to help them, and that you had nothing to
hide.

/mode

I wonder if the person answering my emails even knows the reasons, or has
wondered about them... :-)


Interesting, but unsurprising observations that further indicate that Greed
Britain is now well and truly a member of the Turd World, but it's not all
totally lost - if you contact Tannoy for information, they will gladly
supply it FOC, by virtually *return* email.....

.....from the US or (I think) Canada!!


:-)

"Jim Lesurf" wrote in message
...


I recall the days when the circuit diagram either came with the user
manual, or the makers were happy to send it to you upon request. Indeed,
when you could get technical advice with no problems via phone or
letter.

Or, in the case of certain Philips cassette recorders, the circuit diagram
was tucked in the space between the motor and the outer case - out of
sight of the casual user but easily accessible to someone like me who
loved opening things up just to see what made them work.

Cheers

James.

In article , James Perrett
wrote:

"Jim Lesurf" wrote in message
...


I recall the days when the circuit diagram either came with the user
manual, or the makers were happy to send it to you upon request.
Indeed, when you could get technical advice with no problems via
phone or letter.

Or, in the case of certain Philips cassette recorders, the circuit
diagram was tucked in the space between the motor and the outer case -
out of sight of the casual user but easily accessible to someone like
me who loved opening things up just to see what made them work.

Our very old B&O TV was like this. When I opened the back to adjust the
overscan, etc, I found the service manual and circuit diagrams, rolled up
and wedged into a corner. Wonder what the 'health and safety' bods these
days would think of such a practice! Still, it was a useful and interesting
discovery at the time. :-)

Slainte,

Jim

--
Electronics http://www.st-and.ac.uk/~www_pa/Scot...o/electron.htm
Audio Misc http://www.st-and.demon.co.uk/AudioMisc/index.html
Armstrong Audio http://www.st-and.demon.co.uk/Audio/armstrong.html
Barbirolli Soc. http://www.st-and.demon.co.uk/JBSoc/JBSoc.html

"Jim Lesurf"

People may be entertained to know how I have got on with asking IAG to
explain why they won't provide circuit diagrams, etc for the 8000A.

I have been asking if they can give the *reasons* for their policy. The
first time I asked this prompted a reply that it was "company policy".
Thus
clearing up the point that it was their policy because... erm... it was
their policy.

When I asked for the *reasons* it was "company policy" I was told:

"Unfortunately unless you have a trade account we can't supply Circuit
Diagrams to you."

Once again, a confusion between a decision and the reasons for it.

Not being interested in an infinite regression of 'russian dolls' as a
substitute for rational explanations, I have decided to halt the process
and just get on with trying to fix the amp if I can.

Still, at least we now know that not only you can't get technical info,
nor
can you get any explanation of why they decided to withold it...

...Or is their an EU directive forbidding makers from supplying diagrams
to anyone who does not have a trade account - and making this directive
'top secret' so no-one can even say this is the reason? Men in black in
audio... :-)

mode=old yorkshireman with a whippet and a flat cap, rambling over a flat
warm beer

I recall the days when the circuit diagram either came with the user
manual, or the makers were happy to send it to you upon request. Indeed,
when you could get technical advice with no problems via phone or letter.
At Armstrong, Ron Sheppard used to happily give out advice and post
technical data - even to people who hadn't bought a set! The idea being
that this made people more confident that you were a reliable and helpful
company whose products could be relied upon. I know other companies had a
similar approach. It helped people to feel that you were pleased to tell
people all about your products, to help them, and that you had nothing to
hide.

/mode

I wonder if the person answering my emails even knows the reasons, or has
wondered about them... :-)



** This is a very old, highly contentious, oft complained about & shonky
business practice.

Luckily, only a fairly small percentage of home electronics equipment
makers/importers withhold or restrict the supply of circuit diagrams.

( The practice is FAR more common with commercial electronics - ie office
equipment and the like - where " lifetime", fixed annual cost, service
contracts are offered to customers. The practice then is to supply neither
any info nor any spare parts to outside businesses. )

The REASON behind restrictions on service info is simply a contractual
one: The makers/importers have CONTRACTS with outside service agents ( ie
small repair businesses) to carry out warranty repairs on their equipment.

Now, the rates of remuneration offered for this work are invariably
Dickensian. So, in order to sweeten the *crummy deal* being offered, all
service information is kept in house - service contractors have full access
but agree ( and the company agrees ) to NOT supply any outsiders - for
ever !!

This means that the repair contractor will ( when the items exceed their
warranty period) have a commercial advantage over other repair businesses
since the vast majority of them will NOT accept particular items for repair
for when no service info is available.

The service contractor can advertise themselves as being an " authorised
service centre " for the brand concerned and charge out of warranty
customers like a *wounded bull* to make up for the * purgatory * served
when carrying warranty work for peanuts.

This practice is of course inherently anti-competitive and very likely
illegal in places like the UK and Australia as it is a form of "exclusive
dealing ".

IME, you will *never * get any of those involved in such a conspiracy to
speak sensibly about it.

It is treated as being "commercial in confidence".

Cos it is a blatant scam.





....... Phil