On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 12:37:31 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:


"Don Pearce" wrote in message
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On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 07:38:47 GMT, (Don Pearce)
wrote:



Sounds to me like a steel drum - it has that characteristic "splat" to
the tone when it is hit harder than usual. I'm doing a quick
restoration on this one as well to see how clean it can get; it is too
crackly for me right now.

d

Here you go - just the music this time.

http://81.174.169.10



OK! Finally!!

(We're on holiday for a few weeks and are on 'late 'til late' timings atm,
but Pipex has been very slow this morning!!)

Once again, that is a lot tidier, but I have to say it's sounding like CD
now - what other processes did you apply - 'equalisation'??

See the waveforms here (small pix for quick comparison):

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/comparison.jpg


Yup my track is a little bigger in amplitude. The first thing I did to
it was to normalize up to 90%, just to make it a little louder. There
was absolutely no equalization or anything like that though, just
crackle removal. I listened carefully to the bits I was removing to
make sure there really was only crackle there.

It certainly shouldn't be sounding like CD on the basis of that though
- it should now be sounding like a new piece of vinyl. Maybe it really
is all that background carry-on you really like in vinyl.


Anyway, I have renamed them thus:

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Don's%20Track.mp3

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/My%20Track.mp3

If anyone wants to make a direct comparison.

I will stick my "before" track with just normalization on my web site,
so you can have two tracks that are a bit more comparable - there is
nothing like level differences to make you uncertain what you are
hearing.

Later, I will burn a 2 track Audio CDRW to see what they sound like over
speakers - Swim's not up yet (!!) and I've only been on 'phones up 'til
now!! While your track seems to sound absolutely fine (given that it's wacky
stuff anyway) I'm almost sensing a loss of 'air' or summat and need to check
I'm noy psyching myself up in any way....??

The track is/was crackly (the V15/III again....) but it's not such a problem
if one is not hunched over the speakers. For some reason, out of the batch,
this one seems to have had a fair bit of use...???

OK

d

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"Rob" wrote in message
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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Jim Lesurf wrote:
The CDR copies sound, to me, quite indistinguishable from the original
LPs.

You've noticed this too? ;-)

It's the one thing the vinyl fans keep clear of explaining - a CD copy of
an LP sounds identical to the LP, but an LP copy of a CD (or similar
digital master tape) doesn't. So the LP is plainly losing information in
that process - as well as adding nasties of its own.


LP-CDRs (and computer wavs, decent mp3s etc) sound slightly 'flat'
soundstage-wise, but still pretty darned excellent IME.


Yes, compare the two tracks:

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Don's%20Track.mp3

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/My%20Track.mp3

and see if you don't feel there's a certain amount of 'CDification' of Don's
processed track.



I would hope the technically equipped could explain why vinyl often
conjures up a highly enjoyable, and preferable to CD, listening
experience.


Now you're asking for something *here*....!! :-)

(You know it, I know it and, so it seems, so do the majority of
'audiophiles' once you get outside of this group....)

On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 12:51:26 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:


"Don Pearce" wrote in message
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On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 08:52:15 +0100, Nick Gorham
wrote:

Don Pearce wrote:



Sounds to me like a steel drum - it has that characteristic "splat" to
the tone when it is hit harder than usual. I'm doing a quick
restoration on this one as well to see how clean it can get; it is too
crackly for me right now.

d


I would guess a sample of a drum, I doubt (though could be wrong as
always) if that could be played on actual steel drums. And there is a
almost hammond percussive click in parts as well

I wouldn't be too sure; there are some pretty fine steel drummers out
there (something I've no doubt I will be fully aware of over the bank
holiday when the Notting Hill carnival gets going).



OK Don, post a pic - what's your 'theme'...?? :-)


Not the slightest chance! But no - I will just be a spectator. I have
friends living in Little Venice just off the carnival route. So
carnival on Sunday, then off to Cowdray Park on Monday to watch their
cousin Sugar playing polo for South Africa.

d

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On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 12:26:18 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:


"Don Pearce" wrote in message
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On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 00:10:57 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:



The question is - what is the *instrument* (other than the various digital
devices)....???

(A 'quickie' for now - the movie awaits!!)



Sounds to me like a steel drum - it has that characteristic "splat" to
the tone when it is hit harder than usual. I'm doing a quick
restoration on this one as well to see how clean it can get; it is too
crackly for me right now.


Steel drum it is!!

(So I guess that's initial *fidelity* issues taken care of....?? ;-)



Arrumph! (my spell checker wanted to turn that into "argument". it
really is the most appalling ****-stirrer).

d

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"Jim Lesurf" wrote in message
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In article , Rob
wrote:
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article , Jim Lesurf


I would hope the technically equipped could explain why vinyl often
conjures up a highly enjoyable, and preferable to CD, listening
experience.

It is easy enough to give a list of some reasons why an LP might sound
'different' to a CD. However before we can say "why" someone prefers the
LP
we'd have to find which of those differences they may *like*. Hence this
is to a large extent a question for those who prefer LP to explain if they
do wish to know "why"...


The problem for people with a genuine preference for LP is to be able to
explain why they *think* they prefer it without resorting to 'magical terms'
like 'air', 'ambience', 'imaging', 'soundstage' &c. - all very subjective
and impossible to convey to someone who can't see it and therefore is likely
*not* to prefer CD...

It's almost like trying to describe the different tastes of similar foods or
wines - whatever you say, it's going to end up sounding like that silly
blonde bint on the telly!!

On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 13:12:54 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:

Yes, compare the two tracks:

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Don's%20Track.mp3

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/My%20Track.mp3

and see if you don't feel there's a certain amount of 'CDification' of Don's
processed track.


I've put up a new track which has been decrackled far more lightly by
a different bit of software. See what you think.

http://81.174.169.10

d

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http://www.pearce.uk.com

"Don Pearce" wrote


Yup my track is a little bigger in amplitude. The first thing I did to
it was to normalize up to 90%, just to make it a little louder. There
was absolutely no equalization or anything like that though, just
crackle removal. I listened carefully to the bits I was removing to
make sure there really was only crackle there.


OK. *Second attempt*!!

A succesion of power cuts here has wiped the response I almost had
finished!!

(And blown a 200+ quid projector lamp the other night.....!!!)


'Normalising' was the word I meant!!

I've never had much lusk with it - blows the waveforms out to the sides of
the window when I try it! Maybe the '90%' bit is the clue? Anyway, that's
when I never attempt it when I post trax.

Posting this now before it goes again!

"Don Pearce" wrote in message
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On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 12:26:18 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:


"Don Pearce" wrote in message
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On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 00:10:57 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:



The question is - what is the *instrument* (other than the various
digital
devices)....???

(A 'quickie' for now - the movie awaits!!)



Sounds to me like a steel drum - it has that characteristic "splat" to
the tone when it is hit harder than usual. I'm doing a quick
restoration on this one as well to see how clean it can get; it is too
crackly for me right now.


Steel drum it is!!

(So I guess that's initial *fidelity* issues taken care of....?? ;-)



Arrumph! (my spell checker wanted to turn that into "argument". it
really is the most appalling ****-stirrer).


Absolutely not.

Us 'vinylists' get hit with the 'fidelity stick' all the time - like we're
listening to foghorns or summat....

What one or two here need to know is that plenty of people believe detail is
*lost* when comparing LPs with their counterpart CDs. I have had this
demonstrated to me with Miles Davis' 'Kind Of Blue' in past.

"Keith G" wrote in message
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"Don Pearce" wrote


Yup my track is a little bigger in amplitude. The first thing I did to
it was to normalize up to 90%, just to make it a little louder. There
was absolutely no equalization or anything like that though, just
crackle removal. I listened carefully to the bits I was removing to
make sure there really was only crackle there.


OK. *Second attempt*!!

A succesion of power cuts here has wiped the response I almost had
finished!!

(And blown a 200+ quid projector lamp the other night.....!!!)


'Normalising' was the word I meant!!

I've never had much lusk with it - blows the waveforms out to the sides of
the window when I try it! Maybe the '90%' bit is the clue? Anyway, that's
when I never attempt it when I post trax.

Posting this now before it goes again!



OK, so 'speedtyping' ain't my forte - try this:

I've never had much luck with it - blows the waveforms out to the sides of
the window when I try it! Maybe the '90%' bit is the clue? Anyway, that's
why I never attempt it when I post trax.

In article ,
Rob wrote:
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Jim Lesurf wrote:
The CDR copies sound, to me, quite indistinguishable from the original
LPs.

You've noticed this too? ;-)

It's the one thing the vinyl fans keep clear of explaining - a CD copy of
an LP sounds identical to the LP, but an LP copy of a CD (or similar
digital master tape) doesn't. So the LP is plainly losing information in
that process - as well as adding nasties of its own.


LP-CDRs (and computer wavs, decent mp3s etc) sound slightly 'flat'
soundstage-wise, but still pretty darned excellent IME.

I would hope the technically equipped could explain why vinyl often
conjures up a highly enjoyable, and preferable to CD, listening
experience.

No they won't. Plenty of snake oil believers will, though.

Rob

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