Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Keith G wrote:
Try rec.audio.high-end.....

I'd imagine that really would attract the loonies.

Surprisingly it doesn't. It's a moderated group so only postings that
satisfy the moderators' rules get through. Although somewhat bland at
times, it does avoid the rants and foul language we occasionally! see on
this ng.

S.

In article ,
Iain Churches wrote:
Absolutely not. *Mastering* to both CD and LP invariably involves
changing the master.

Sorry Dave, but that is incorrect.

No it's not. After all, you've taken great pride in giving an example, to
prove a point of yours.

Do you have practical experience in either disc cutting or CD mastering?

Yes.

I'm not saying *every* master can't be transferred direct, but the vast
majority aren't. Otherwise there would be no need for a separate mastering
session.

--
*Gargling is a good way to see if your throat leaks.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

"Keith G" wrote in message
...

"Paul" wrote in message
...
You need to loosen up, matey - get one of these:

http://www.thanko.jp/ibluetube/

and try and get a little *fun* out of the hobby....


Well, if nothing else Keith, you've given me a good laugh Thanks for
that.
What the hell is that? Second thoughts, don't tell me. There is an ipod
thingy in there somewhere - yuk.
Are they having a laugh?


Dunno, but the people who are buying them are probably having a ball......


I have absolutely no interest in Hi-Fi as a hobby.



You're in the wrong group then - this an 'audio' group (ie Ipods accepted)
for *hobbyists* (ie recreational, not 'pro').

Keith, As a hobbyist then you must surely need one of these
devices...............
http://www.referenceaudiomods.com/Me...n=PROD&Product
_Code=NOB_C37_C&Category_Code=VOLUME&Product_Count =2

Just think of the improvements to be had with your SET's, Horns & Vinyl gear
when you add one of these little beauties to the mix.

"Mike Coatham" wrote in message
...

Keith, As a hobbyist then you must surely need one of these
devices...............
http://www.referenceaudiomods.com/Me...n=PROD&Product
_Code=NOB_C37_C&Category_Code=VOLUME&Product_Count =2

Just think of the improvements to be had with your SET's, Horns & Vinyl
gear
when you add one of these little beauties to the mix.

They are only US$485 each, they couldn't be THAT good!!!!

In article ,
Serge Auckland wrote:
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Keith G wrote:
Try rec.audio.high-end.....

I'd imagine that really would attract the loonies.

Surprisingly it doesn't. It's a moderated group so only postings that
satisfy the moderators' rules get through. Although somewhat bland at
times, it does avoid the rants and foul language we occasionally! see on
this ng.

Ah - right. However I already read too many newsgroups. ;-)

--
*Indian Driver - Smoke signals only*

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

"Mike Coatham" wrote in message
...

"Keith G" wrote in message
...

"Paul" wrote in message
...
You need to loosen up, matey - get one of these:

http://www.thanko.jp/ibluetube/

and try and get a little *fun* out of the hobby....


Well, if nothing else Keith, you've given me a good laugh Thanks for
that.
What the hell is that? Second thoughts, don't tell me. There is an ipod
thingy in there somewhere - yuk.
Are they having a laugh?


Dunno, but the people who are buying them are probably having a
ball......


I have absolutely no interest in Hi-Fi as a hobby.



You're in the wrong group then - this an 'audio' group (ie Ipods
accepted)
for *hobbyists* (ie recreational, not 'pro').

Keith, As a hobbyist then you must surely need one of these
devices...............
http://www.referenceaudiomods.com/Me...n=PROD&Product
_Code=NOB_C37_C&Category_Code=VOLUME&Product_Count =2

Just think of the improvements to be had with your SET's, Horns & Vinyl
gear
when you add one of these little beauties to the mix.


???

If I'm seeing right, that's 500 bucks for a *wooden knob*....!!!???

Get TF outta here.....

Keith G wrote:
"Mike Coatham" wrote in message
...

Keith, As a hobbyist then you must surely need one of these
devices...............
http://www.referenceaudiomods.com/Me...n=PROD&Product
_Code=NOB_C37_C&Category_Code=VOLUME&Product_Cou nt=2

Just think of the improvements to be had with your SET's, Horns & Vinyl
gear
when you add one of these little beauties to the mix.

If I'm seeing right, that's 500 bucks for a *wooden knob*....!!!???

Get TF outta here.....

This is a better bargain Two lumps of wood for $400:
http://www.machinadynamica.com/machina28.htm

--
Eiron

No good deed ever goes unpunished.

Hi Rob,


Recreating what was recorded is a pretty tall order - not least because
you don't know what it sounded like.

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I agree, it is a tall order. We can't do it. I, for one, believe it will be
done - one day.
I do know what it sounds like. I'm creating it (and, more importantly, I can
recreate it). That is the whole point of the 'experiment'.
That, in my opinion, is why it is valid and worthwhile. Nobody, as yet, has
told me why it is not.
--------------------------------------------

IMO all this fiddling about with filter fixation and pure technology is an
endless and expensive pursuit. I'd be thinking about speakers and room.

--------------------------------------------
I agree totally with your first sentence. My references to RIAA were simply
to highlight one of a number of failings with the mechanical method of sound
storage and retrieval. Physics is 100% behind me with regards the mechanical
problems. Everybody conveniently sidesteps that and I can only assume that
they realise it would be foolish to take on Physics or argue that it doesn't
apply in this case. This, of course, has nothing to do with a listeners
preference. It does, however, have everything to do with quality/accuracy of
sound and thus High Fidelity.

I do not agree with your second sentence. GIGO. How do you evaluate speakers
(or amp) if you have an inadequate front end?
Yes I know CDs are also flawed but they are the better of the bunch.
--------------------------------------------


Then I'd think about a turntable :-)

Rob

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Your choice of front end is clearly yours to make. That's fine. I recall
years ago the Hi-Fi press relentlessly hammered home the importance of the
front end over all other considerations. With obvious good reason I would
say. Yep, GIGO. Without a good front end I would have nothing of worth to
build on. At the very least I would not doing my system, the sound or my
ears justice. (However, I do accept that you may be more than satisfied with
the results. I would also defend the right of all to choose whatever suits
them best.) In the same way, we had it hammered home how bad DD turntables
were. Belt drive ruled. Now it appears that either they were wrong or users
have found a magic dust that they can sprinkle on the deck and cure all
ills. I wonder how long it will be before it goes full circle.
In any event, enjoy your music.

Paul
--------------------------------------------

"Eiron" wrote in message
...
Keith G wrote:
"Mike Coatham" wrote in message
...

Keith, As a hobbyist then you must surely need one of these
devices...............
http://www.referenceaudiomods.com/Me...n=PROD&Product
_Code=NOB_C37_C&Category_Code=VOLUME&Product_Co unt=2

Just think of the improvements to be had with your SET's, Horns & Vinyl
gear
when you add one of these little beauties to the mix.

If I'm seeing right, that's 500 bucks for a *wooden knob*....!!!???

Get TF outta here.....

This is a better bargain Two lumps of wood for $400:
http://www.machinadynamica.com/machina28.htm



Incredible. The number of times this bloody ng's 'reading my mind'!!

OK first off, if they are fully loaded and ready to go then that's not such
a bad deal, considering the 'empty' wooden horns from Visaton are about 500
Euros apiece IIRC...??

http://www.visaton.com/en/1/13/361.html


**blog mode on - those offended stop reading now**

I have grabbed the opportunity (in todays Arctic conditions) for a speaker
shoot-out to *finalise* my choice of speakers and clear a bit of space.
Results so far:

The Tannoys are out - fine speakers, but no real competition.

The Lowthers are in (and *will* win) but possibly need the sub I mentioned
earlier for some stuff - organ disks going on next..

The Pinkies are possibly/probably in for Radio and TV use..

The Infidelios are out (too much bass for me in my little room) and I've
been thinking they could probably use....

....wait for it.....

....a supertweeter!! :-)


The difficulty with comparing too many sets of speakers at the same time is
that the 'bleed into each other' soundwise and one pair highlights the
shortcomings (and strengths) of the other until some sort of compromise
seems to be the best way forward. (Each pair taken in isolation is fine and
one could easily become used to them!)

Upshot is there's a pair of Tannoy 609s *on stands* that can be had for a
wunnah by anyone who rings my doorbell (the stands alone made 77 quid +
considerable postage on eBay a while back) or they'll go back on eBay.

There's also possibly (believe it or not, after all the work) a pair of
InFidelios:

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/infi...infidelios.htm

...with brand new Visaton B200 drivers going for anyone who wants them for a
reasonable cost+ (collect only, naturally), unless I mummify them and stuff
'em back in the garage for now!

(They are not going to replace the Jerichos, it appears.....)

Keith G wrote:



Incredible. The number of times this bloody ng's 'reading my mind'!!

OK first off, if they are fully loaded and ready to go then that's not such
a bad deal, considering the 'empty' wooden horns from Visaton are about 500
Euros apiece IIRC...??


Except they are not tweeters, but someing else entirly.

To quote:

" The Ultras actually function by employing an "ideal" (coherent)
single-frequency source to improve the transmission characteristics of
the signal-conducting materials. The working frequency of the Ultras is
above 1 Gigahertz (GHz). The fundamental change to the conducting
materials produced by the Ultras allows the audio signal to be
transmitted more efficiently, with less noise and distortion. The Ultras
may have a similar influence on the medium (air) for acoustic waves
generated by the primary speakers, allowing the acoustic waves to travel
with greater efficiency and precision. Since the Ultra Tweeters operate
on the entire audio band, the improvement to the sound is not
frequency-selective, but across the audio frequency spectrum."

So there you go.

--
Nick