"Ian Iveson" wrote in message
k...
Part of Scotland never gets very cold because of the Gulf stream.


That'll be the 'ot' bit then...!! ;-)

"Ian Iveson" wrote in message
k...
Part of Scotland never gets very cold because of the Gulf stream.

cheers, Ian

"Keith G" wrote in message
...


Arny's slipped up and replied to one of my posts in a direct email. I
have transported it here entirely - apart from anything else, I don't do
rufty tufty in my private correspondence!

(No idea where it belongs, so I've started a new, exciting thread with
it! ;-)



----- Original Message -----
From: "Keith G"
Newsgroups: uk.rec.audio
Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 6:16 PM
Subject: amazing miracle device



"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
. ..

"Keith G" wrote in message
...

Why TF do you even bother with all this crap Arny?

Because people even bother with all the false crap that I just
rebutted.

For all your OSAFs, putting words into people's mouths, dubious
'technical' information, strawmen arguments and ludicrous
tub-thumping,
you haven't, to my knowledge, put *one single person* off vinyl - just
about *everybody* I know with a 'hifi system' uses and *still* enjoys
it!

As if that was my intent.

The words 'protecting the newbies from the dangers of vinyl' (below)
were
*yours* a year or two ago....

I just checked google, and it says that nobody named arny ever posted
such a
thing in the history of man.


Interesting, see below....



FWIW I am among the very few people I know who has
a vinyl playback system.

I suppose some of your best friends are Jewish also?

Gosh Keith, can't you even get the right metaphor? I didn't say that "my
best friends listen to vinyl", I said that I am among the very few
people I
know who has a vinyl playback system.



My fault - it was expecting too much for you to make the leap....


I don't know about everthing that is going on in
the UK, but finding active, in-use vinyl playback equipment outside of
dance halls is pretty hard to do in the US.

Last night there was a record player in Brad Pitt's place (Se7en on
DVD),
earlier tonight I noticed Keany Reeves giving Charlize Theron (?) a
boxed
set of records - no idea what the film was (I wasn't watching the
telly),
but I gather it was her birthday or summat?

Your example fails to be anything like a representative sample. It's
pretty
well known that some vinyl playback equipment suppliers have lobbied
pretty
hard to get their product onto TV and into the movies. That is hardly
representative of real life in the USA. Next thing I know Keith, you'll
be
asking whether or not I have any palm trees in my yard, since you saw
some
in reruns of Beverly Hills 90210. ;-)


Now, you're doing it...

I have no idea about 'Beverly Hills 90210', I gather/believe it's a TV
prog but I have never seen it.




Vinyl features in movies (even very recent ones) as a matter of course
it
appears - I find it hard to believe you don't know anyone in the real
world who uses it...

Just to head off a stupid question before it happens, Palm trees die when
the ambient temperature gets much below freezing for a day or two. It
gets
below freezing for days at a time for something like 3 months of the year
where I live.


I don't why you should have trouble with your palm trees - they even have
them up in Scotland:

http://www.plockton.com/

Doesn't seem to freeze there very often.

Perhaps you're using the wrong type??

I'm not using any.

(Perhaps, if you contacted the UK TV broadcasting companies, you could
get them to stop showing pix of records and turntables on a damn near
*daily* basis and give yourself a better chances of eradicating vinyl
from the planet.....???)

It happens occasionally in the states. There are usually credits to the
vinyl equipment suppliers in among the other credits.

What was it - 'protecting the newbies from the dangers of vinyl'...??

That would be a phrase that you just made up, Keith.

Funny you should say that only now when I first threw the remark at you
some 3 years ago....

http://groups.google.co.uk/group/uk....09 b01d5dWhat to say about someone who brags about telling the same lie for 3 years? Maybe your Google's broken...??Maybe I only looked for instances of me saying it, given that this was thelie you told. No, just rebutting the usual BS from the ignorant and misguided who actually think that the vinyl format has any unique inherent SQ advantages. Wouldn't know and don't care - I play it only for the *sound*.... Make non-responsive comments much, Keith? Only when people start banging on about accuracy and such when I'm makingthe point that even music on the bathroom radio will do me....Yeah, it might even sound better than vinyl. Consider this - 50s Jazz and 60s Rock on anything *other* thanvinyl....?? (Ludicrous prospect, isn't it! ;-) There's a rich selection of music recorded before the advent of CD, thatis commercially available on CD. You're missing the point - Who TF wants it....???People interested in SQ. Much of it was made from excellent studio masters and some was remixed. Being that they are oftenmade from thesource material that the LPs were made from, their sound quality on CD caneasily surpass that of the corresponding LPs. Nonsense....Tell us more.

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
. ..

"Ian Iveson" wrote in message
k...
Part of Scotland never gets very cold because of the Gulf stream.

cheers, Ian

"Keith G" wrote in message
...


Arny's slipped up and replied to one of my posts in a direct email. I
have transported it here entirely - apart from anything else, I don't do
rufty tufty in my private correspondence!

(No idea where it belongs, so I've started a new, exciting thread with
it! ;-)



----- Original Message -----
From: "Keith G"
Newsgroups: uk.rec.audio
Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 6:16 PM
Subject: amazing miracle device



"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
. ..

"Keith G" wrote in message
...

Why TF do you even bother with all this crap Arny?

Because people even bother with all the false crap that I just
rebutted.

For all your OSAFs, putting words into people's mouths, dubious
'technical' information, strawmen arguments and ludicrous
tub-thumping,
you haven't, to my knowledge, put *one single person* off vinyl -
just
about *everybody* I know with a 'hifi system' uses and *still* enjoys
it!

As if that was my intent.

The words 'protecting the newbies from the dangers of vinyl' (below)
were
*yours* a year or two ago....

I just checked google, and it says that nobody named arny ever posted
such a
thing in the history of man.


Interesting, see below....



FWIW I am among the very few people I know who has
a vinyl playback system.

I suppose some of your best friends are Jewish also?

Gosh Keith, can't you even get the right metaphor? I didn't say that
"my
best friends listen to vinyl", I said that I am among the very few
people I
know who has a vinyl playback system.



My fault - it was expecting too much for you to make the leap....


I don't know about everthing that is going on in
the UK, but finding active, in-use vinyl playback equipment outside of
dance halls is pretty hard to do in the US.

Last night there was a record player in Brad Pitt's place (Se7en on
DVD),
earlier tonight I noticed Keany Reeves giving Charlize Theron (?) a
boxed
set of records - no idea what the film was (I wasn't watching the
telly),
but I gather it was her birthday or summat?

Your example fails to be anything like a representative sample. It's
pretty
well known that some vinyl playback equipment suppliers have lobbied
pretty
hard to get their product onto TV and into the movies. That is hardly
representative of real life in the USA. Next thing I know Keith, you'll
be
asking whether or not I have any palm trees in my yard, since you saw
some
in reruns of Beverly Hills 90210. ;-)


Now, you're doing it...

I have no idea about 'Beverly Hills 90210', I gather/believe it's a TV
prog but I have never seen it.




Vinyl features in movies (even very recent ones) as a matter of course
it
appears - I find it hard to believe you don't know anyone in the real
world who uses it...

Just to head off a stupid question before it happens, Palm trees die
when
the ambient temperature gets much below freezing for a day or two. It
gets
below freezing for days at a time for something like 3 months of the
year
where I live.


I don't why you should have trouble with your palm trees - they even
have them up in Scotland:

http://www.plockton.com/

Doesn't seem to freeze there very often.

Perhaps you're using the wrong type??

I'm not using any.

(Perhaps, if you contacted the UK TV broadcasting companies, you
could
get them to stop showing pix of records and turntables on a damn near
*daily* basis and give yourself a better chances of eradicating vinyl
from the planet.....???)

It happens occasionally in the states. There are usually credits to
the
vinyl equipment suppliers in among the other credits.

What was it - 'protecting the newbies from the dangers of vinyl'...??

That would be a phrase that you just made up, Keith.

Funny you should say that only now when I first threw the remark at you
some 3 years ago....

http://groups.google.co.uk/group/uk....09 b01d5dWhat
to say about someone who brags about telling the same lie for 3 years?
Maybe your Google's broken...??Maybe I only looked for instances of me
saying it, given that this was thelie you told. No, just rebutting the
usual BS from the ignorant and misguided who actually think that the
vinyl format has any unique inherent SQ advantages. Wouldn't know
and don't care - I play it only for the *sound*.... Make non-responsive
comments much, Keith? Only when people start banging on about accuracy
and such when I'm makingthe point that even music on the bathroom radio
will do me....Yeah, it might even sound better than vinyl. Consider
this - 50s Jazz and 60s Rock on anything *other* thanvinyl....??
(Ludicrous prospect, isn't it! ;-) There's a rich selection of music
recorded before the advent of CD, thatis commercially available on CD.
You're missing the point - Who TF wants it....???People interested in
SQ. Much of it was made from excellent studio masters and some was
remixed. Being that they are oftenmade from thesource material that the
LPs were made from, their sound quality on CD caneasily surpass that of
the corresponding LPs. Nonsense....Tell us more.




No idea what that's all about - like I said, I commented on your remark some
3 years ago (as per Google) - strange you didn't see fit to comment on it
then..???

Anyway, it's so beyond 'of no moment whatsoever' it merits not one further
word from me...

--
MrBitsy
"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
. ..
"Keith G" wrote in message

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
. ..
"Keith G" wrote in message

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in
message ...
In article ,
Keith G wrote:
Arny's slipped up and replied to one of my posts in a
direct email. I have transported it here entirely -
apart from anything else, I don't do rufty tufty in my
private correspondence!

The private circle you brag of are all sycophants,
then?

Not at all, but I suspect (*know* actually) there's more
than a few of 'em that are sick o' you....

Hmm, I guess Keith is trying to say that he and his
girlfriends don't like us, eh Dave?



Aw, Arneeee......

Have I been a bit dim? Did you email me direct on
purpose?? (Woz that you wantin' to join my little circle
of 'offroaders'....?? :-)

No it was a mistake. My apologies for the inconvenience.

Never mind, you'n Plowie will allus have each other...

Can't bring yourself to admit that there are actually quite a few of us
around here, of the scientific/rational persuasion, eh?

Do rational & scientific go together?

Rational is to sit down, listen and like the sound, and if that just happens
to be a baked bean tin and string then great!

Scientific seems to mean, sit down and listen, then argue why the sound
couldn't possibly be good, even if it is!

"MrBitsy" wrote in message
...




Rational is to sit down, listen and like the sound, and if that just
happens to be a baked bean tin and string then great!


If that view were held by all then the only product available on the high
street would be bean tins and string.
Fortunately, there are others who strive for better. In so doing, there is
progress for the benefit and appreciation of all (should they want it).
Clearly there are those that, having reached their satisfaction level, see
no reason to seek improvement *for themselves* - who would argue with that?
However, it would appear that they cannot see or appreciate why others do
not share their view.
Fortunately, designers, manufacturers etc do recognise this and perhaps that
explains why products ranging from out right rubbish to excellent are made
available to the consumer.

Scientific seems to mean, sit down and listen, then argue why the sound
couldn't possibly be good, even if it is!


In my view that simply is not the case. Would any deny that the application
of scientific principles etc is detrimental? While it would be fair to say
that a lax approach, or indeed complete disregard, in this area would
inevitably produce an inferior product, it does not mean that it cannot be
'good'.
However, it would surely be irrational to believe it to be 'best'.

Paul

"Paul" wrote in message


Would any deny
that the application of scientific principles etc is
detrimental?

Huh?

Would any deny
that the application of scientific principles etc is
detrimental?

Huh?


Can't argue with that. My poor English, Doh! Still, I would have bet that
all readers here would have understood the intent. Clearly not so in your
case.

Paul.

"Paul" wrote in message

Would any deny
that the application of scientific principles etc is
detrimental?

Huh?


Can't argue with that. My poor English, Doh! Still, I
would have bet that all readers here would have
understood the intent. Clearly not so in your case.

Hmm, then this was a rhetorical question.

Given how many people who post on UKRA, and routinely proudly show their
disregard for science, your good intent was a trifle obscured for me.

My bad.

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
. ..
"Keith G" wrote in message

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in
message ...
In article ,
Keith G wrote:
Arny's slipped up and replied to one of my posts in a
direct email. I have transported it here entirely -
apart from anything else, I don't do rufty tufty in my
private correspondence!

The private circle you brag of are all sycophants, then?

Not at all, but I suspect (*know* actually) there's more
than a few of 'em that are sick o' you....

Hmm, I guess Keith is trying to say that he and his girlfriends don't like
us, eh Dave?

Look out, Dave . Arny is trying to cuddle up to you:-)
In Stewart's absence, you may be his last resort!
There is something incongruous about Arny - rather like a
nun with a heavy-metal tattoo:-))

Iain

In article ,
Iain Churches wrote:

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
. ..
"Keith G" wrote in message

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in
message ...
In article ,
Keith G wrote:
Arny's slipped up and replied to one of my posts in a
direct email. I have transported it here entirely -
apart from anything else, I don't do rufty tufty in my
private correspondence!

The private circle you brag of are all sycophants, then?

Not at all, but I suspect (*know* actually) there's more
than a few of 'em that are sick o' you....

Hmm, I guess Keith is trying to say that he and his girlfriends don't
like us, eh Dave?

Look out, Dave . Arny is trying to cuddle up to you:-)
In Stewart's absence, you may be his last resort!
There is something incongruous about Arny - rather like a
nun with a heavy-metal tattoo:-))

There's very little from either Arny or Stewart I disagree with. In fact
they both have a pretty professional approach to sound reproduction...;-)

--
*I'm not being rude. You're just insignificant

Dave Plowman London SW
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