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"Dave Plowman" wrote in message

In article ,
Arny Krueger wrote:
You've missed out one *vital* point, though, Arny. XLRs are too
large for the many connections needed on, say, an AV amp. You can
populate to approx twice the density with phonos.

A 5-pin XLR is the same size as a 2-pin XLR and would handle stereo
quite nicely with just one plug. You then break even on space and
pick up considerable convenience.

If you were using an XLR to replace phonos, then a 3 pin would do
fine. And since few domestic setups use balanced inputs,
compatibility shouldn't be a problem. 5 pin tend to be a lot more
expensive than 3. Don't think I've ever seen a 2 pin XLR.

Being a bit of a perfectionist, I thought of using two balanced lines and a
separate grounding wire, as well as the shield.

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In article ,
Arny Krueger wrote:
A 5-pin XLR is the same size as a 2-pin XLR and would handle stereo
quite nicely with just one plug. You then break even on space and
pick up considerable convenience.

If you were using an XLR to replace phonos, then a 3 pin would do
fine. And since few domestic setups use balanced inputs,
compatibility shouldn't be a problem. 5 pin tend to be a lot more
expensive than 3. Don't think I've ever seen a 2 pin XLR.

Being a bit of a perfectionist, I thought of using two balanced lines
and a separate grounding wire, as well as the shield.

This is how the 5 pin is used for stereo mics. But I'd not see any point
when using on unbalanced circuits.

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Dave Plowman London SW 12
RIP Acorn

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In article ,
Arny Krueger wrote:
A 5-pin XLR is the same size as a 2-pin XLR and would handle stereo
quite nicely with just one plug. You then break even on space and
pick up considerable convenience.

If you were using an XLR to replace phonos, then a 3 pin would do
fine. And since few domestic setups use balanced inputs,
compatibility shouldn't be a problem. 5 pin tend to be a lot more
expensive than 3. Don't think I've ever seen a 2 pin XLR.

Being a bit of a perfectionist, I thought of using two balanced lines
and a separate grounding wire, as well as the shield.

This is how the 5 pin is used for stereo mics. But I'd not see any point
when using on unbalanced circuits.

--
*Men are from Earth, women are from Earth. Deal with it.

Dave Plowman London SW 12
RIP Acorn

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"Dave Plowman" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Arny Krueger wrote:
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Being a bit of a perfectionist, I thought of using two balanced lines
and a separate grounding wire, as well as the shield.

This is how the 5 pin is used for stereo mics. But I'd not see any point
when using on unbalanced circuits.

--
*Men are from Earth, women are from Earth. Deal with it.

Dave Plowman London SW 12
RIP Acorn


Seems elegant to me an unbalanced stereo pair using 5 pin XLR. One plug
instead of two keeping separate screens for each channel avoiding crosstalk
If that is still a worry then figure of eight cable containing each channel
could be employed.

Advantages:
One cable instead of two
Gets rid of the RCA/Phono
Can be daisy chained
A lot more robust/reliable
Ground connects first
Has separate ground line

Mike

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"Dave Plowman" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Arny Krueger wrote:
Clip
Being a bit of a perfectionist, I thought of using two balanced lines
and a separate grounding wire, as well as the shield.

This is how the 5 pin is used for stereo mics. But I'd not see any point
when using on unbalanced circuits.

--
*Men are from Earth, women are from Earth. Deal with it.

Dave Plowman London SW 12
RIP Acorn


Seems elegant to me an unbalanced stereo pair using 5 pin XLR. One plug
instead of two keeping separate screens for each channel avoiding crosstalk
If that is still a worry then figure of eight cable containing each channel
could be employed.

Advantages:
One cable instead of two
Gets rid of the RCA/Phono
Can be daisy chained
A lot more robust/reliable
Ground connects first
Has separate ground line

Mike

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On Tue, 4 Nov 2003 06:27:22 -0500
"Arny Krueger" wrote:

Compare and contrast XLR versus RCA

But be realistic! RCA isnt meant for studio use!

(1) XLR connectors have at least 2 insulated conductors plus ground so
they can be used for balanced I/O. The RCA can't. Advantage - far
fewer problems with hum and noise, particularly in complex setups.

RCA is not for complex setups. you cant win when you arent competing in
the same arena...

(2) The XLR connector latches in place, so it doesn't fall out of its
socket by accident. The latching mechanism is very robust - you can
hang relatively heavy objects with a good quality XLR cable.

I've never had a phono that came out of its socket before the cabling was damaged. most of the time in places RCA jacks are used, the pull is not on the same axis as the connector.

(6) XLR connectors are self-centering and self-locating when you mate
them.

I've never had trouble connecting an RCA...

(7) XLR connectors are very robust - you can step on them, even drive
a truck or run a road roller over them, and they will still work.

Im not in the habit of driving trucks behind my desk...

(9) Quality XLR connectors are relatively cheap compared to so-called
high quality but poorer performing RCA plugs.

I'd challenge you to prove that without the use of a signal in the GHz range...

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On Tue, 4 Nov 2003 06:27:22 -0500
"Arny Krueger" wrote:

Compare and contrast XLR versus RCA

But be realistic! RCA isnt meant for studio use!

(1) XLR connectors have at least 2 insulated conductors plus ground so
they can be used for balanced I/O. The RCA can't. Advantage - far
fewer problems with hum and noise, particularly in complex setups.

RCA is not for complex setups. you cant win when you arent competing in
the same arena...

(2) The XLR connector latches in place, so it doesn't fall out of its
socket by accident. The latching mechanism is very robust - you can
hang relatively heavy objects with a good quality XLR cable.

I've never had a phono that came out of its socket before the cabling was damaged. most of the time in places RCA jacks are used, the pull is not on the same axis as the connector.

(6) XLR connectors are self-centering and self-locating when you mate
them.

I've never had trouble connecting an RCA...

(7) XLR connectors are very robust - you can step on them, even drive
a truck or run a road roller over them, and they will still work.

Im not in the habit of driving trucks behind my desk...

(9) Quality XLR connectors are relatively cheap compared to so-called
high quality but poorer performing RCA plugs.

I'd challenge you to prove that without the use of a signal in the GHz range...

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Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are tasty and good with
ketchup.

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In article ,
Mike Gilmour wrote:
Seems elegant to me an unbalanced stereo pair using 5 pin XLR. One plug
instead of two keeping separate screens for each channel avoiding
crosstalk If that is still a worry then figure of eight cable containing
each channel could be employed.

But with unbalanced, the screen connections will be paralleled at both the
source and destination anyway, surely? So I'm not quite clear how keeping
them separate for the cable run only would make any difference?

Plenty used DIN connectors that had one cable carrying stereo in and out
to a tape etc, with only one overall screen, and crosstalk wasn't a
problem assuming matched levels and ordinary runs.

--
*Frankly, scallop, I don't give a clam

Dave Plowman London SW 12
RIP Acorn

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In article ,
Mike Gilmour wrote:
Seems elegant to me an unbalanced stereo pair using 5 pin XLR. One plug
instead of two keeping separate screens for each channel avoiding
crosstalk If that is still a worry then figure of eight cable containing
each channel could be employed.

But with unbalanced, the screen connections will be paralleled at both the
source and destination anyway, surely? So I'm not quite clear how keeping
them separate for the cable run only would make any difference?

Plenty used DIN connectors that had one cable carrying stereo in and out
to a tape etc, with only one overall screen, and crosstalk wasn't a
problem assuming matched levels and ordinary runs.

--
*Frankly, scallop, I don't give a clam

Dave Plowman London SW 12
RIP Acorn

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"Dave Plowman" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Mike Gilmour wrote:
Seems elegant to me an unbalanced stereo pair using 5 pin XLR. One plug
instead of two keeping separate screens for each channel avoiding
crosstalk If that is still a worry then figure of eight cable containing
each channel could be employed.

But with unbalanced, the screen connections will be paralleled at both the
source and destination anyway, surely? So I'm not quite clear how keeping
them separate for the cable run only would make any difference?

Plenty used DIN connectors that had one cable carrying stereo in and out
to a tape etc, with only one overall screen, and crosstalk wasn't a
problem assuming matched levels and ordinary runs.

--
*Frankly, scallop, I don't give a clam

Dave Plowman London SW 12
RIP Acorn

Sorry it was badly worded, I meant keeping the L & R channels apart to
reduce possibility of crosstalk and the advantage (?) of keeping L & R
signal screens separate instead of being a common ground. I've never had a
problem with DIN either using ordinary runs either - but I've never tried
runs over 2M.