The advantage of vinyl playback systems
 

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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
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APR wrote:
I recently, after reading all the posts debating the various merits
of
of CD and LP, went out and bought the latest and greatest budget CD
player, but now have a problem.

I am having difficulty determining how to change the
what-see-me-jiggit
that should allow me to tailor the sound to suit the different types
of
music I want to play. You know how you can change the cartridge in
your
turntable. In the past I had a couple of turntables with different
cartridges mounted in each, and each cartridge had it's strong
points
that resulted in them giving more enjoyment on a particular type of
music.

Is there any way to achieve the same result with a CD player. I am
not
achieving the same nostalgic satisfaction from the CD player that I
achieved from my old turntables.

Best way is to get a selection of blankets and hang them over the
speakers. Several thicknesses should do what you want - but experiment
with different types of music.


Sadly, this will actually help with many CDs.



The trouble with people like Plowie is they don't seem to be able to
hear
just how *blurry* most CDs are.....


Overbright with limited dynamic seems to be the most common complaint.



Look and listen closely - digital stuff all suffers that final sharpness,
be it sound or images....



Take 2:

Look and listen closely - digital stuff all suffers from the loss of that
final sharpness, be it sound or images....

The advantage of vinyl playback systems
 

On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 11:45:31 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:

Look and listen closely - digital stuff all suffers from the loss of that
final sharpness, be it sound or images....

Possibly. But images are a poor analogy. Beware of pseudo-science.

The advantage of vinyl playback systems
 

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"Keith G" wrote in message
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Take 2:

Look and listen closely - digital stuff all suffers from the loss of
that final sharpness, be it sound or images....

Alas, no matter how many 'takes' you make, your theory disagrees with my
experience. :-)

Slainte,

Jim

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In article , Keith G
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"Keith G" wrote in message
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Take 2:

Look and listen closely - digital stuff all suffers from the loss of
that final sharpness, be it sound or images....

Alas, no matter how many 'takes' you make, your theory disagrees with my
experience. :-)



Word Insertion Technique noted - 'theory'...??

My *experience* disagrees with yours and my opinion is shared here.

Anybody care to claim 'digital radio' or 'digital TV' is sharper than
analogue? Anyone care to claim that 'digital photography' is sharper than
'wet film'?? As to the *sharpness* of LP over CD, even my 'deaf in one ear'
neighbour (who uses CDs all the time) commented on the clarity of the
'analogue sound' from my kit once - and that was before the Lowthers.....

(No experience of aerial or astronomical photography myself, but I suspect
it would pretty much follow suit using comparable equipment and
methods....???)

The advantage of vinyl playback systems
 

Anybody care to claim 'digital radio' or 'digital TV' is sharper than
analogue

It can be. It almost certainly WAS digital at some point in its
journey. If broadcasters prefer channel-count to quality, so what?


Anyone care to claim that 'digital photography' is sharper than
'wet film'??

Not yet. But it will be.

As to the *sharpness* of LP over CD, even my 'deaf in one ear'
neighbour (who uses CDs all the time) commented on the clarity of the
'analogue sound' from my kit once - and that was before the Lowthers.....

OK, so someone half-deaf prefers analogue. Or was he just saying
"Hey! Analogue isn't THAT bad after all! Not a patch on digital
though!" :-)

The advantage of vinyl playback systems
 

tony sayer wrote:
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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
APR wrote:
I recently, after reading all the posts debating the various merits of
of CD and LP, went out and bought the latest and greatest budget CD
player, but now have a problem.

I am having difficulty determining how to change the
what-see-me-jiggit
that should allow me to tailor the sound to suit the different types
of
music I want to play. You know how you can change the cartridge in
your
turntable. In the past I had a couple of turntables with different
cartridges mounted in each, and each cartridge had it's strong points
that resulted in them giving more enjoyment on a particular type of
music.

Is there any way to achieve the same result with a CD player. I am not
achieving the same nostalgic satisfaction from the CD player that I
achieved from my old turntables.

Best way is to get a selection of blankets and hang them over the
speakers. Several thicknesses should do what you want - but experiment
with different types of music.


Sadly, this will actually help with many CDs.



The trouble with people like Plowie is they don't seem to be able to hear
just how *blurry* most CDs are.....


Overbright with limited dynamic seems to be the most common complaint.


Yes.. is that a fault of the digital system as such, or what's put into it?....


Depends on the CD. If we are talking about some of the older ones from
the eighties and late nineties the harsh quality IMO was often due to
the available A/D converters. many a CD was simply a flat transfer with
inadequate equipment leading to bad sound. OTOH I'd say the vast
majority of crappy sounding CDs these days are due to the loudness
wars. That would be completely unrelated to red bok limitations.

Scott

The advantage of vinyl playback systems
 

Laurence Payne wrote:
On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 11:45:31 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:

Look and listen closely - digital stuff all suffers from the loss of that
final sharpness, be it sound or images....

Possibly. But images are a poor analogy. Beware of pseudo-science.


Why? there is no scientific claim in analogies that involve an
aesthetic experience.


Scott

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Depends on the CD. If we are talking about some of the
older ones from the eighties and late nineties the harsh
quality IMO was often due to the available A/D
converters.

Trouble is Scott, your opinions aren't worth any more than your lawsuits!

There isn't much technological connection between DACs from the eighties and
late ninetys, as there was a paradigm shift to sigma-delta converters in the
early nineties. Fact is that perfectly adequate converters were available
in both decades. The major change that sigma-delta technology wrought
related to cost.

many a CD was simply a flat transfer with
inadequate equipment leading to bad sound.

More evidence that Scott knows nada about the meaning of the word mastering,
or when its use is indicated.

OTOH I'd say
the vast majority of crappy sounding CDs these days are
due to the loudness wars. That would be completely
unrelated to red bok limitations.

Finally, some relevant truth. Ironic coming from a guy who can't hear the
limitations of vinyl, but likes to harp on the non-existent audible
limiations of the Red Book standard.

The advantage of vinyl playback systems
 

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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
APR wrote:
I recently, after reading all the posts debating the
various merits of
of CD and LP, went out and bought the latest and
greatest budget CD player, but now have a problem.

I am having difficulty determining how to change the
what-see-me-jiggit
that should allow me to tailor the sound to suit the
different types of
music I want to play. You know how you can change
the cartridge in your
turntable. In the past I had a couple of turntables
with different cartridges mounted in each, and each
cartridge had it's strong points that resulted in
them giving more enjoyment on a particular type of
music.

Is there any way to achieve the same result with a
CD player. I am not
achieving the same nostalgic satisfaction from the
CD player that I achieved from my old turntables.

Best way is to get a selection of blankets and hang
them over the speakers. Several thicknesses should do
what you want - but experiment with different types
of music.


Sadly, this will actually help with many CDs.



The trouble with people like Plowie is they don't seem
to be able to hear just how *blurry* most CDs are.....


Overbright with limited dynamic seems to be the most
common complaint.



Look and listen closely - digital stuff all suffers that
final sharpness, be it sound or images....

....as opposed to the ever-so-common analog mud.

The advantage of vinyl playback systems
 

In article , Keith G
writes

"Jim Lesurf" wrote in message
...
In article , Keith G
wrote:

"Keith G" wrote in message
...

Take 2:

Look and listen closely - digital stuff all suffers from the loss of
that final sharpness, be it sound or images....

Alas, no matter how many 'takes' you make, your theory disagrees with my
experience. :-)



Word Insertion Technique noted - 'theory'...??

My *experience* disagrees with yours and my opinion is shared here.

Anybody care to claim 'digital radio' or 'digital TV' is sharper than
analogue?

It most certainly isn't as it is now broadcast both digital telly and
radio. But then again Keith CD's aren't produced with an MPEG coder
which throws away a lot of info and leaves some of its own!...

Anyone care to claim that 'digital photography' is sharper than
'wet film'??

Dunno but the piccys the wife now produces **** over anything with at
Ashi Pentax she once had;)...

As to the *sharpness* of LP over CD, even my 'deaf in one ear'
neighbour (who uses CDs all the time) commented on the clarity of the
'analogue sound' from my kit once - and that was before the Lowthers.....

(No experience of aerial or astronomical photography myself, but I suspect
it would pretty much follow suit using comparable equipment and
methods....???)





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